Female
Seen November 8th, 2016
Posted March 31st, 2016
571 posts
9.2 Years
Hi guys ^^

So first of all I should say that I'm not looking to be the best competitive trainer ever, I just want a good team with a good strategy to battle my friends :) (and hopefully win XD)

I breed for competitive Pokemon so I generally understand the importance of IVs, ability, nature, move sets etc. but I suck at actually using them or coming up with a good strategy. Though I am still very much a beginner, so any help on anything would be awesome ^^

As I said above, I'm not looking to be a competitive player so I don't mind about the tiers of Pokemon I use, but I wouldn't like a team of legends that's all~

The team I use at the moment is :


Delphox @Charcoal
Ability: Blaze
Brave Nature
-Psychic
-Flame Charge
-Ember
-Flamethrower


Lucario @Lucarionite
Ability: Steadfast
Hasty Nature
-Extreme Speed
-Me First
-Rock Smash
-Aura Sphere


Zapdos @Zap Plate
Ability: Pressure
Hardy Nature
-Drill Peck
-Fly
-Discharge
-Roost


Venusaur @Black Sludge
Ability: Overgrow
Hasty Nature
-Venoshock
-Poison Powder
-Leech Seed
-Solar Beam


Xerneas @Leftovers
Ability: Fairy Aura
Naive Nature
-Cut (I know....)
-Horn Leech
-Moonblast
-Megahorn


Greninja @Rocky Helmet
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Sp. Attack / 4 HP
Timid Nature
-Scald
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Dark Pulse

These are mostly the ones I used to get through the game so most of them are rubbish for use competitively, any of these can be changed and I wouldn't mind breeding for anything so please give me suggestions! Also on a good strategy ^^

Thank you everyone~ ^^
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PlatinumDude

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Anything Delphox can do, Charizard, Infernape, Talonflame and Darmanitan can do better. Delphox's move pool is pretty shallow; outside of Hidden Power, it can't do much to Hydreigon and Houndoom:

Charizard:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake/Roost
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 144 HP/244 Atk/120 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/148 SDef/112 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Dragon Pulse/Roost
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite Y

Infernape:
-Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Thunder Punch
-Grass Knot/Mach Punch/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 168 Atk/88 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt

Talonflame:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Tailwind/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

Darmanitan:
-Flare Blitz
-U-turn
-Earthquake/Superpower
-Rock Slide/Superpower
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Ability: Sheer Force

Lucario is lacking in power here. Considering that you may be using another Mega in Charizard, it's better off not using its Mega Stone; it's viable without it:
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Extreme Speed
-Crunch/Ice Punch/Earthquake/Shadow Claw
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lucarionite

or
-Nasty Plot
-Aura Sphere
-Flash Cannon
-Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse/Vacuum Wave
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Lucarionite
Ability: Inner Focus/Steadfast

Venusaur is only good in its Mega form outside of Sun teams, though Chlorophyll Venusaur is usable with Charizard Y:
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Sleep Powder/Leech Seed/Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake/Knock Off
-Synthesis
Nature: Bold/Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
Item: Venusaurite

or
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Synthesis/Sleep Powder
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Venusuarite

or (Charizard Y is mandatory here)
-Giga Drain/Leaf Storm
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake
-Synthesis/Sleep Powder
Nature; Modest/Rash
EVs: 28 Atk/252 SAtk/228 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

As people may frown down on you using Xerneas (an Uber), another Fairy alternative is Azumarill. After Pokemon Village, you won't be needing Cut anymore. Since you also have a Water Pokemon in Greninja, you'll have to pick one of the two. I'll explain how the last slot should be used later:

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/28 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Mystic Water/Splash Plate
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Waterfall/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

Greninja:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam
-Extrasensory
-Dark Pulse/Hidden Power (Fire/Grass)/Grass Knot/Spikes
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash
Ability: Protean

However, Greninja is just too frail to make use of Rocky Helmet. Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and Garchomp have enough bulk to make use of the item.

The last slot should be devoted to a hazard setter and hazard clearer; Skarmory can fulfill both roles:
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Stealth Rock/Spikes/Brave Bird
-Defog/Brave Bird
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef or 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy

Since Defog is exclusive to Skarmory in Gen IV, consider Mandibuzz as well:
-Foul Play
-Defog
-Roost
-Knock Off/Whirlwind/Toxic
Nature: Impish/Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Overcoat

Female
Seen November 8th, 2016
Posted March 31st, 2016
571 posts
9.2 Years
Anything Delphox can do, Charizard, Infernape, Talonflame and Darmanitan can do better. Delphox's move pool is pretty shallow; outside of Hidden Power, it can't do much to Hydreigon and Houndoom:

Charizard:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake/Roost
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 144 HP/244 Atk/120 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/148 SDef/112 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Dragon Pulse/Roost
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite Y

Infernape:
-Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Thunder Punch
-Grass Knot/Mach Punch/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 168 Atk/88 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt

Talonflame:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Tailwind/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

Darmanitan:
-Flare Blitz
-U-turn
-Earthquake/Superpower
-Rock Slide/Superpower
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Ability: Sheer Force

Lucario is lacking in power here. Considering that you may be using another Mega in Charizard, it's better off not using its Mega Stone; it's viable without it:
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Extreme Speed
-Crunch/Ice Punch/Earthquake/Shadow Claw
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lucarionite

or
-Nasty Plot
-Aura Sphere
-Flash Cannon
-Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse/Vacuum Wave
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Lucarionite
Ability: Inner Focus/Steadfast

Venusaur is only good in its Mega form outside of Sun teams, though Chlorophyll Venusaur is usable with Charizard Y:
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Sleep Powder/Leech Seed/Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake/Knock Off
-Synthesis
Nature: Bold/Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
Item: Venusaurite

or
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Synthesis/Sleep Powder
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Venusuarite

or (Charizard Y is mandatory here)
-Giga Drain/Leaf Storm
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake
-Synthesis/Sleep Powder
Nature; Modest/Rash
EVs: 28 Atk/252 SAtk/228 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

As people may frown down on you using Xerneas (an Uber), another Fairy alternative is Azumarill. After Pokemon Village, you won't be needing Cut anymore. Since you also have a Water Pokemon in Greninja, you'll have to pick one of the two. I'll explain how the last slot should be used later:

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/28 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Mystic Water/Splash Plate
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Waterfall/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

Greninja:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam
-Extrasensory
-Dark Pulse/Hidden Power (Fire/Grass)/Grass Knot/Spikes
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash
Ability: Protean

However, Greninja is just too frail to make use of Rocky Helmet. Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and Garchomp have enough bulk to make use of the item.

The last slot should be devoted to a hazard setter and hazard clearer; Skarmory can fulfill both roles:
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Stealth Rock/Spikes/Brave Bird
-Defog/Brave Bird
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef or 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy

Since Defog is exclusive to Skarmory in Gen IV, consider Mandibuzz as well:
-Foul Play
-Defog
-Roost
-Knock Off/Whirlwind/Toxic
Nature: Impish/Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Overcoat
Wow.. umm.. first let me thank you XD
I was going to replace Delphox anyway, it was just my starter, thank you for the suggestions. I'll replace it with Mega Charizard X. (or Y?)

As for Lucario, I might replace it with a new Lucario that I'll breed and train... or is there a better option?
If I don't use Charizard Y, should I replace Venusaur with something else?

As I will only be playing mainly with my friends, using Xerneas won't be a problem I think (Also cus I really like Xerneas....) But if it stays in my team I will definitely change its move set. Again thank you ^^

I only equipped Greninja with Rocky Helmet simply because otherwise it probably wouldn't be holding an item because I have no idea. It's too frail huh.... I agree XD

As for bulk, I was thinking of using Blissey (I know it's overused and all...) but again, I wouldn't be playing against competitive players. And for some reason I thought Gengar would also be quite nice... Any suggestions on those would be very much appreciated ^^

And pretty much every team should have a hazard move huh... you're right I should add them...

Thank you so much for taking the time :) and for your help of course
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PlatinumDude

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Age 29
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Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
Wow.. umm.. first let me thank you XD
I was going to replace Delphox anyway, it was just my starter, thank you for the suggestions. I'll replace it with Mega Charizard X. (or Y?)

As for Lucario, I might replace it with a new Lucario that I'll breed and train... or is there a better option?
If I don't use Charizard Y, should I replace Venusaur with something else?

As I will only be playing mainly with my friends, using Xerneas won't be a problem I think (Also cus I really like Xerneas....) But if it stays in my team I will definitely change its move set. Again thank you ^^

I only equipped Greninja with Rocky Helmet simply because otherwise it probably wouldn't be holding an item because I have no idea. It's too frail huh.... I agree XD

As for bulk, I was thinking of using Blissey (I know it's overused and all...) but again, I wouldn't be playing against competitive players. And for some reason I thought Gengar would also be quite nice... Any suggestions on those would be very much appreciated ^^

And pretty much every team should have a hazard move huh... you're right I should add them...

Thank you so much for taking the time :) and for your help of course
If you insist on keeping Xerneas, here are some better alternatives. Take note that item clause isn't in effect in non-Battle Spot battles:
-Geomancy
-Moonblast
-Thunder
-Focus Blast/Substitute/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 104 HP/32 Def/252 SAtk/120 Spe
Item: Power Herb

or
-Moonblast
-Close Combat/Hidden Power (Fire)
-Thunder/Rock Slide
-Aromatherapy/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Mild/Rash/Naive/Hasty
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Moonblast
-Aromatherapy/Roar
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Moonblast
-Megahorn
-Close Combat/Focus Blast
-Rock Slide/Sleep Talk
Nature: Rash/Mild/Naive/Hasty
EVs: 76 Atk/248 SAtk/184 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

If you don't use Charizard Y, you can use Ferrothorn as a hazard stacker:
-Stealth Rock/Spikes
-Leech Seed
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
-Power Whip/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 248 HP/220 Def/40 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs

or
-Leech Seed
-Protect/Thunder Wave
-Power Whip/Gyro Ball
-Stealth Rock/Spikes/Gyro Ball
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 248 HP/220 Def/40 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs

Female
Seen November 8th, 2016
Posted March 31st, 2016
571 posts
9.2 Years
If you insist on keeping Xerneas, here are some better alternatives. Take note that item clause isn't in effect in non-Battle Spot battles:
-Geomancy
-Moonblast
-Thunder
-Focus Blast/Substitute/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 104 HP/32 Def/252 SAtk/120 Spe
Item: Power Herb

or
-Moonblast
-Close Combat/Hidden Power (Fire)
-Thunder/Rock Slide
-Aromatherapy/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Mild/Rash/Naive/Hasty
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Moonblast
-Aromatherapy/Roar
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Moonblast
-Megahorn
-Close Combat/Focus Blast
-Rock Slide/Sleep Talk
Nature: Rash/Mild/Naive/Hasty
EVs: 76 Atk/248 SAtk/184 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Thank you ^^ I like the 3rd set, sounds good. If mine is naive, would that work fine or should I find a calm one?
I only wanted to keep it because it was one of my favourites.... But since I can't breed for good IVs, might just change it for another fairy alternative that I like. Is there another good one or just Azumarill? I'm not too much of an Azumarill fan...
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PlatinumDude

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Age 29
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Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
Thank you ^^ I like the 3rd set, sounds good. If mine is naive, would that work fine or should I find a calm one?
I only wanted to keep it because it was one of my favourites.... But since I can't breed for good IVs, might just change it for another fairy alternative that I like. Is there another good one or just Azumarill? I'm not too much of an Azumarill fan...
Naive is still a viable nature for the non-Geomancy offensive sets. Calm is the best nature for the RestTalk set.

Other viable Fairies are Sylveon and Togekiss:

Sylveon:
-Wish
-Protect
-Hyper Voice
-Heal Bell/Calm Mind
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate

or
-Hyper Voice
-Shadow Ball
-Psyshock
-Echoed Voice/Baton Pass/Hidden Power (Ground/Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 244 HP/252 SAtk/12 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate

Togekiss:
-Thunder Wave
-Air Slash
-Defog/Heal Bell/Dazzling Gleam/Aura Sphere
-Roost
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace

or
-Nasty Plot
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere/Dazzling Gleam/Flamethrower/Heal Bell
-Roost
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Serene Grace

Female
Seen November 8th, 2016
Posted March 31st, 2016
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9.2 Years
Naive is still a viable nature for the non-Geomancy offensive sets. Calm is the best nature for the RestTalk set.

Other viable Fairies are Sylveon and Togekiss:

Sylveon:
-Wish
-Protect
-Hyper Voice
-Heal Bell/Calm Mind
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate

or
-Hyper Voice
-Shadow Ball
-Psyshock
-Echoed Voice/Baton Pass/Hidden Power (Ground/Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 244 HP/252 SAtk/12 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate

Togekiss:
-Thunder Wave
-Air Slash
-Defog/Heal Bell/Dazzling Gleam/Aura Sphere
-Roost
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace

or
-Nasty Plot
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere/Dazzling Gleam/Flamethrower/Heal Bell
-Roost
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
Ok :) then I'll try to find a calm Xerneas, if not I'll choose one of the other fairies, they sound good too. If I choose to have gengar and/or blissey, what would you suggest for them (sorry... I'm asking a lot of questions, but your help is really appreciated, thank you!)
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PlatinumDude

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Age 29
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Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
Ok :) then I'll try to find a calm Xerneas, if not I'll choose one of the other fairies, they sound good too. If I choose to have gengar and/or blissey, what would you suggest for them (sorry... I'm asking a lot of questions, but your help is really appreciated, thank you!)
Gengar:
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-Focus Blast/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

or
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Taunt/Disable/Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
Nature: Timid
EVs: 28 HP/148 SAtk/80 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Black Sludge

Blissey:
-Heal Bell/Aromatherapy/Flamethrower
-Seismic Toss
-Toxic/Thunder Wave
-Soft-Boiled
Nature: Bold
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

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Trondheim, Norway
Seen March 8th, 2015
Posted November 30th, 2014
211 posts
10 Years
Easywin team:

zard y with roost (main mon)
scarf ttar (to trap latis and hurt ♥♥♥♥ like zard x and blobs)
defog [email protected] (run mixed with eq for bisharp, ttar, rachi and tran, big bro is best)
twave thundu (flyingspam check, cripples threat #1 greninja)
bulkychomp (sr, general bulkyness. i like hippo there too)
specs keldeo (bisharp answer)

Might be a bish to breed but is prolly worth it