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Old May 11th, 2014 (4:17 PM). Edited May 11th, 2014 by Candy.
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With the newer system it allowed me to better prepare my team without knowing I'll be at a disadvantage.
Which is why the Kalos league was an easy challenge. It didn't help that they reveal the names of the rooms upon entering (seriously, Fire chamber? Water chamber?). If they didn't, and then we step into the elevator, we wouldn't be able to guess what type we're facing.

Seriously, I actually stepped into each room before deciding who to face at the Kalos. Now, if only the doors lock themselves upon entering, then I'll be stuck with whoever and whatever type I'll have to face. It'll bascially be the same type of challenge as the in-order system: You can't predict what you're facing.

Imagine:
*me as a random first-timer in the league*
"Ooh I want to start with this room first."
*enters room*
"Steel Chamber? I'm not ready for that!"
*door lock*
"Nuuuuu! ;o;"

Unpredictable at its finest.

But you know, with the majority of us knowing that the order will be Sydney > Phoebe > Glacia > Drake anyway, disregarding the new gameplay mechanics, moves and abilities, we'll still be prepared for the league if it were to be in order. I still think choose-your-own-order level-scaling lock-you-up system will be the best solution. At least, for the ones seeking a challenge.

I mean, being 10 levels under and needing to survive to win is really fun. xDD
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I'm kind of torn. On one hand, having an option and making them all the same difficulty in terms of level allows for defeating the elite four to be more strategy-oriented, while the previous system involved stocking up on items to outlast the elite four as they grew stronger every time. The latter definitely made for a harder challenge. I can see them going either way, but just for consistency, they might make the order optional again.
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Preset order! With that in place, they're able to increase the levels between each member, and that gives it a little bit more of a challenge. Think about it - if you could pick the order and all of the E4's levels are the same and you started off at the same level as their Pokemon, by the time you get to the 4th, you would have gained a ton of EXP and will most likely be levels above them! Then it just gets easy. But if the E4 gain levels with you? Keeps the difficulty more even.
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i prefer challenging them in order, but even if they let you chose your own order, i just do the default order, so its basically in order anyway.

so if they let you chose i'll just go with the RSE order
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Preset order! With that in place, they're able to increase the levels between each member, and that gives it a little bit more of a challenge. Think about it - if you could pick the order and all of the E4's levels are the same and you started off at the same level as their Pokemon, by the time you get to the 4th, you would have gained a ton of EXP and will most likely be levels above them! Then it just gets easy. But if the E4 gain levels with you? Keeps the difficulty more even.
I have to agree to this. When I challenge Sidney it gets too easy and Blaziken/Breloom would just cruise through with no damage except PP loss. Phoebe has Dusclops who would stall with Protect and waste more PP, but a few well-placed Shadow Balls takes care of business. Glacia usually beats half my team, and I barely scrape through Drake. Wallace is totally based on luck, so I like the way the order makes it more challenging, and also allows you to get more experience by rebattling them again and again.
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I want the old system back! It kinda gives us a little challenge on who to face, and tbh I kinda like the stairs to the top motif in the Hoenn League :)
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For me, the reason why the Unova and Kalos League are an easy challenge, was because of the new system introduced in Black and White, and I hated it, easy is not my type.
What really made Pokemon Leagues challenging, was when you defeat a member, it gets tougher on the road.
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Old system... more challenging
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As much as I love being able to choose which Elite Four member to battle first, I have a feeling that, because ORAS are remakes, they will go back to making Trainers challenge the E4 in a specific order. That being said, I would much prefer being able to choose who to challenge first, and I can see that working if they modify the building so that the rooms aren't linear, much like how it is in Unova and Kalos.
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I hope we have to fight the Elite Four in a specific order like we had to in the original games. I prefer that way tbh. Since these are remakes, I think that they'll make us fight the league in order.
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I like the completely free Elite Four of Unova and Kalos, but the fact that the levels didn't increase really bothered me.

They could always have a system, where each Elite Four Member has four possible teams (with differently levels and moves), and they use one based on what order you fight them in. Then, you'd be guaranteed that you'd fight the easiest first and hardest last, but could still do them in any order.

Or something else that might be interesting is have a preset order, but randomize it. Like, have your Trainer ID determine the order. Then, you have to fight them in that order, with each stronger than the last, but you have no control over the order and won't know it ahead of time.
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They could always have a system, where each Elite Four Member has four possible teams (with differently levels and moves), and they use one based on what order you fight them in. Then, you'd be guaranteed that you'd fight the easiest first and hardest last, but could still do them in any order.
You might be getting at something here. It would be quite easy to implement, and challenging as well. People would break the order and still find that the last one is the strongest. Perhaps each Elite Four member's Pokémon are +2 or +3 levels higher every time someone else gets challenged? Pretty interesting imo.
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Beat the Hell out of me. I want to walk away with a limp, four fainted Pokemon, and a sense of victory, not a sense of completely sweeping the E4 like I have been the past two generations because of that "Pick your order" crap.

Abnegation had a pretty neat idea where they would be in a random order each time you would challenge them, though. It'd be neat if they even went so far as to change the movepools and held items of each Pokemon depending on the order of members. Like, EACH order have a random set of attacks and whatnot. Like, even if Glacia came first five times in a row, depending on where the others were placed, her POkemon would have different moves each time.
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A poll would be really nice here.. XD

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What I've always wanted to see though, was a random order. That would really challenge you, as well as make the dynamic more interesting. When you lose against the E4, you know what's coming up when you try again. This is why I'd love to see the reincarnation of the old system, but with a twist whereby they change up the order of the E4. Now, that would be a challenge. Though I imagine they'll continue the current dynamic they've had since Gen V.
Excellent idea; randomization would be amazing.. I'm kind of torn now.. Originally, I wanted "any-order" (a group known as the "Elite 4" should be equal in strength in my opinion, not "4th member can easily pwn 1st, 2nd, and 3rd members in one fell swoop"; otherwise, you might as well make them Gym Leaders, too), but a "Ladder" arrangement helps to counteract the issue that your Pokemon will be gaining Experience Points/leveling up as you advance further in the League... although we wouldn't have this problem if we and the Elite Four were capped..

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Which is why the Kalos league was an easy challenge. It didn't help that they reveal the names of the rooms upon entering (seriously, Fire chamber? Water chamber?). If they didn't, and then we step into the elevator, we wouldn't be able to guess what type we're facing.

Seriously, I actually stepped into each room before deciding who to face at the Kalos. Now, if only the doors lock themselves upon entering, then I'll be stuck with whoever and whatever type I'll have to face. It'll bascially be the same type of challenge as the in-order system: You can't predict what you're facing.

Imagine:
*me as a random first-timer in the league*
"Ooh I want to start with this room first."
*enters room*
"Steel Chamber? I'm not ready for that!"
*door lock*
"Nuuuuu! ;o;"

Unpredictable at its finest.

But you know, with the majority of us knowing that the order will be Sydney > Phoebe > Glacia > Drake anyway, disregarding the new gameplay mechanics, moves and abilities, we'll still be prepared for the league if it were to be in order. I still think choose-your-own-order level-scaling lock-you-up system will be the best solution. At least, for the ones seeking a challenge.

I mean, being 10 levels under and needing to survive to win is really fun. xDD
But hey, everybody has their own preferences.

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Sorry, I haven't played Pokemon X and Y yet, but are you saying that Kalos chambers don't lock you up after displaying the room's name and you wish that they would lock up prior to displaying the room name? ~_~

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I like the completely free Elite Four of Unova and Kalos, but the fact that the levels didn't increase really bothered me.

They could always have a system, where each Elite Four Member has four possible teams (with differently levels and moves), and they use one based on what order you fight them in. Then, you'd be guaranteed that you'd fight the easiest first and hardest last, but could still do them in any order.

Or something else that might be interesting is have a preset order, but randomize it. Like, have your Trainer ID determine the order. Then, you have to fight them in that order, with each stronger than the last, but you have no control over the order and won't know it ahead of time.
These systems might work well... Hmm, what about if the game "flat-scales" the Elite Four Pokemon to the same level as your highest-leveled Pokemon if you happen to out-level their original teams (like what the Trainer Hill in Emerald does, in addition to the Hoenn Battle Frontier at Level 60 and beyond) in addition to randomizing the Elite Four order? This way, you can't really prepare properly (providing more of a challenge) and you can't curbstomp the Elite Four either merely by being higher level than them, because they'll constantly be matching you?
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A poll would be really nice here.. XD

Sorry, I haven't played Pokemon X and Y yet, but are you saying that Kalos chambers don't lock you up after displaying the room's name and you wish that they would lock up prior to displaying the room name? ~_~?
Pfft... Didn't think of that. Will edit as soon as I get to a computer. xDD

And basically, yeah. It adds to the challenge. We had to step into the elevator before you're locked up with the person you chose, but the room names before the elevator made it too easy.

Plus, BW and B2W2 didn't show the chamber's name by the time we enter. All we had was intuition on what the type will be based on the decor.
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I definitely hope they keep the order, having a structured Elite Four was one of my favourite elements of the original Pokémon games; their hierarchy gave you a sense of achievement as you progressed and plus, I really like Sidney welcoming the Hoenn challenger to the Hoenn League and would miss that if they didn't include it :)
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I hope they keep the order too. It feels "natural" or "real" in some ways when one battles Sidney first. I wouldn't care if they didn't - since, yeah, I could just battle them in their true order. But if they do make us choose the order, then I'd seriously want them to be as hard just as they were in the originals.
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Maybe they could have the best of both worlds and have the order randomized each time?

That way you have the challenge of possibly facing your worst next, whilst there still being so standard way of battling them.
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Randomized would be an improvement from Kalos' pick the order (and know who is where too before you battle them). Imagine expecting Sydney while having a Machoke in front of your party only to get Phoebe...
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Randomization is actually a perfect idea, and would satisfy people on both sides of the argument equally. They'd have to have teams with similar levels and strength, but without knowing the order, it's hard to plan ahead and prepare accordingly. Probably their best option, because picking the order makes the Elite Four the opposite of 'elite', even though I liked the feature originally.
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I prefer Randomization too as to be more challenging if they arent going to return to the old system. Maybe if ORAS will have a challenge mode, maybe they could have it as when you enter the room, the battle will automatically start so that there will not be a chance to a last minute party switch?
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I prefer Randomization too as to be more challenging if they arent going to return to the old system. Maybe if ORAS will have a challenge mode, maybe they could have it as when you enter the room, the battle will automatically start so that there will not be a chance to a last minute party switch?
Along with the randomized room orders so it's different every time? That would be a cool switch. Then again, I think there's some bit of strategy that's nice to have available with switching the starting member.
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I'm pretty sure it's going to be in order since it's a remake and the original Ruby and Sapphire were in order, so ORAS will most likely do the same.
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Going in order like the originals seems the most likely option at the moment. Personally I wouldn't mind that at all, jumping from level 46 to 58 in the space of 5 battles really does make it a lot harder. I just reached the E4 in my most recent Sapphire play through and all of my team are still low 40's.
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Yeaah I'm expecting the league to be completely in order just as it was in the originals.

Remake, blah blah blah. Also I'm in agreement on the whole dislike of the league being out of order in X&Y and such. I did not like having to choose who to fight with. I liked it better when I hardly had a chance to heal or decide a strategy. Made things a lot harder, to be quite honest.

I like walking out of that Champion room tattered and broken, feeling super proud of myself for wiping the floor with the increasingly stronger and stronger league members, then defeating the strongest of all in the end. In X&Y I wasn't satisfied because they were all of equal power in my eyes and I swept them far too easily.

I'm really hoping that doesn't happen again. :(
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