do you look down on people who are doing low skill jobs? Page 2

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Let me put in this way. If you born in america, and you are in your 30s and still doing low- skill job, you deserve to be look down upon.

If you are immigrant and don't speak English well, it is understandable that you do low skill job in america so you don't deserve to be look down upon.

are we agree on that?

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Let me put in this way. If you born in america, and you are in your 30s and still doing low- skill job, you deserve to be look down upon.

If you are immigrant and don't speak English well, it is understandable that you do low skill job in america so you don't deserve to be look down upon.

are we agree on that?


No, no not really. There are so many different things to consider.

No one in a low-skill low-paying job wants to be there. Not one, I guarantee it. They all want more and try to achieve more. Then there are the people that get the job for bad reasons..like unemployment fraud. Those people do deserve to be looked down upon but they aren't really relevant to what we're talking about.
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No, no not really. There are so many different things to consider.

No one in a low-skill low-paying job wants to be there. Not one, I guarantee it. They all want more and try to achieve more. Then there are the people that get the job for bad reasons..like unemployment fraud. Those people do deserve to be looked down upon but they aren't really relevant to what we're talking about.
I know no want to be there. there are many kind of low skill but high paid job such as police officer, fire
fighter. Let be real, Life in america is not that bad, opportunity is everywhere!!.

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I know no want to be there. there are many kind of low skill but high paid job such as police officer, fire
fighter. Let be real, Life in america is not that bad, opportunity is everywhere!!.
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Let me put in this way. If you born in america, and you are in your 30s and still doing low- skill job, you deserve to be look down upon.
As I said earlier, they are probably stuck in this kind of position with no way out. I would not look down on someone because they are doing what they need to do to get by.
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Let me put in this way. If you born in america, and you are in your 30s and still doing low- skill job, you deserve to be look down upon.

If you are immigrant and don't speak English well, it is understandable that you do low skill job in america so you don't deserve to be look down upon.

are we agree on that?
No. You still don't deserve the right to be looked down upon. My neighbor lost their job and is working at Kohls. I look up to her for her hard work.

No once again, my parents were immigrants and my dad became an executive in his profession.

I know no want to be there. there are many kind of low skill but high paid job such as police officer, fire
fighter. Let be real, Life in america is not that bad, opportunity is everywhere!!.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you to be not very knowledgeable of the 'real world'.


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Let me put in this way. If you born in america, and you are in your 30s and still doing low- skill job, you deserve to be look down upon.
No, not really.

One day that could be you, and if someone thought that way about you, wouldn't you feel bad?

Don't say that it won't ever happen, because things change. Take nothing for granted.

If everyone who did low level jobs one day just.. stopped, and weren't around to help anymore, where would anyone be? People who worked in fancy offices wouldn't know how to control a cash register, or deliver their own mail, or order food to their local grocery stores. Someone has to know how to do it. We should respect people who do those types of jobs for us.


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Nope not at all. I have respect for people with low skill jobs. But that's mostly because I'm in those type of fields myself. Hell, I'm just a soldier and a mechanic, it ain't rocket science to figure out what I'm supposed to do. A lot of people just haven't had, or missed out on an opportunity to move on up in the world.

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I don't look down at them. I am one of them, and will be for the foreseeable future. Most of my immediately family is the same way. Gotta do what you gotta do to survive.

Aw man, let's talk in 5 years when I will still be working foodservice, because I can't afford to go back to school. I know I have the smarts to get a degree, but it costs money. Loans are near impossible to get rid of if things go south, too. I barely scrape by as it is. School is not an option for me. It's not that easy, even in the US.

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People are different so you have to treat people base on what they deserve.
let say the earth is about is to get hit by asteroid, who would you pick to be on your spaceship? retailer or engineer?

most of people would pick engineer. .... so most of people look down on retailer. it just human nature.... deal with it

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No, not really.

One day that could be you, and if someone thought that way about you, wouldn't you feel bad?

Don't say that it won't ever happen, because things change. Take nothing for granted.

If everyone who did low level jobs one day just.. stopped, and weren't around to help anymore, where would anyone be? People who worked in fancy offices wouldn't know how to control a cash register, or deliver their own mail, or order food to their local grocery stores. Someone has to know how to do it. We should respect people who do those types of jobs for us.
Exactly. I don't understand why people have a hard time understanding that.

Plus, there are always opportunities to grow in low-skill jobs. When this new store finishes being built I will be making almost $40,000. I'm 21, no degree and it will only go up. Why would I spend $50,000 on college in my desired field to graduate and get a job where I only make $30,000 the first couple years?
People are different so you have to treat people base on what they deserve.
let say the earth is about is to get hit by asteroid, who would you pick to be on your spaceship? retailer or engineer?

most of people would pick engineer. .... so most of people look down on retailer. it just human nature.... deal with it
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People are different so you have to treat people base on what they deserve.
let say the earth is about is to get hit by asteroid, who would you pick to be on your spaceship? retailer or engineer?

most of people would pick engineer. .... so most of people look down on retailer. it just human nature.... deal with it
It's not "human nature" to look down on people in retail jobs. Retail jobs do not exist within our "nature" - they are entirely constructed things that only exist within society. Therefore, all our attitudes towards them are informed by our socialization as we grew up. You are begging the question in this post; you are once again assuming that "what they deserve" is less than another person because of the job they take.

As much as you want to argue that everyone looks down on these people, you are just not right, and the people who don't look down on them are far more compassionate, thoughtful, and sympathetic. It is simply a bad position to take to decide one group of people are "less than" without any idea of the circumstances of their lives. You keep claiming that so many people think as you do, but not a single person has yet agreed with you, so where is your proof that everyone things this way? It seems more like you think this way and have to believe other people think that way to be able to feel good about the judgment - even to the point of disbelieving every single person that tells you otherwise.

If an asteroid was heading towards Earth, I would not be in charge of the spaceship. And if I was, I would take my friends. I would take my unemployed best friend, I would take my lawyer boyfriend, I would take my friend working in retail and my friend working in engineering. And if I had leftover spaces after taking everyone I cared about, I would take families. I would not consider someone's job on Earth when I'm deciding who to save from death and bring to outer space, because that's dumb.


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People are different so you have to treat people base on what they deserve.
let say the earth is about is to get hit by asteroid, who would you pick to be on your spaceship? retailer or engineer?

most of people would pick engineer. .... so most of people look down on retailer. it just human nature.... deal with it
Oh my gosh, that's the most biased example I have ever heard. XD

Let's take your example and put a twist on it. I'm opening up a store, would I rather hire a person with retail experience, or an engineer? I would rather pick the retailer, so the engineer must suck at life and deserve all of our crap.

No, each job has its time and place. Retailers can't fix spaceships, just like how engineers might not make the best salespeople. The beauty is that just about anyone can learn how to do these things. It's all a matter of background and interest.

Let's say the engineer comes from a rich family. He went to college, graduated, and landed a job on your spaceship. That's great, but what if he's unhappy. What if he'd much rather be a writer, but he didn't have enough of a backbone to stand up to his parents? What if he stays awake in bed every night wondering what could have been? Yeah, that doesn't sound so great.

Now let's take a look at the retailer. I don't know about you, but he's looking pretty darn happy. What if he's the happiest guy on Earth? What if his family didn't have any money to send him to college? Who are you to judge?

To me, you can have any job you want, as long as you're happy. That's the biggest thing in life, really. As long as you're happy, nothing else really matters. Of course, bills have to be paid, but assuming those are taken care of, what really matters to me is if you're happy.

Besides, if we're willing to judge people, I have a few paragraphs I could fill out judging you for your closed off mindset and grammar, but that wouldn't be fair, now would it? I don't know your story, so I shouldn't judge you based on that. I can have my thoughts, sure, but I wouldn't take it any farther than that.
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In third world countries, it would be understandable since there are not much opportunities.

In first world countries such as U.S., there is no excuse. I don't have much respect for people who
born in america, speak English, in his/her 30 and still doing menial jobs. Seriously, these menial jobs
are for immigrants who English skill are not good. They have much opportunites in america and all
they know is cleaning, retailing etc... they are lazy.

what your opinion?
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In third world countries, it would be understandable since there are not much opportunities.

In first world countries such as U.S., there is no excuse. I don't have much respect for people who
born in america, speak English, in his/her 30 and still doing menial jobs. Seriously, these menial jobs
are for immigrants who English skill are not good. They have much opportunites in america and all
they know is cleaning, retailing etc... they are lazy.

what your opinion?
I find your post insulting and extremely ignorant.

Let me tell you as a 40 year old male, I actually enjoy working those "menial jobs" you so rudely criticize. You're right, I probably could have a lot of opportunities for better paying jobs. But there's no guarantee that I'd actually enjoy those better jobs.

I've worked retail all my life (except for 10 years at McDonald's) and I can tell you that aside for the low pay, there isn't a more rewarding job for me than I could ever have hoped for. You know why? Because I really enjoy interacting with people. And I don't mean interacting with the same people day in and day out that you work with. I mean different people who come in every day to maybe buy something that you're offering for sale.

So while to you it may seem a menial job, and beneath anyone except for an immigrant (way to go insulting the majority of people in North American, for we are all descendants of immigrants, or are immigrants ourselves), to me it is a job that I really enjoy doing.

I work at Walmart. Not the most glamorous job out there, I agree, but when you factor in that it pays me about $12.50 per hour, that I get over 30 hours per week, and allows me to do the one thing I enjoy doing most (interacting with people), you can't really beat it. I've spent almost three years at this job. Maybe sometime down the road I'll get another job elsewhere. But I can guarantee you, it'll probably be another retail job. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

So go ahead, insult me if you wish. But it doesn't matter one bit to me. Because yours is an ignorant argument that makes a whole lot of assumptions about people and is full of self-righteous condemnation that your opinion really isn't worth a whole heck of a lot.

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Firstly, we're not all victims, especially in western society. People in bad jobs will blame their circumstances but you can always do things to improve your life. Working up from the bottom is once of those things, and I respect it immensely. But acting as a victim isn't. Most successful people have been through (or are going through) their own hardships too.

Secondly, it's not ok to look down on low skilled workers. But give respect to those that achieve in their careers. It takes a lot more effort and commitment to become an engineer than retailer (I have been both). They're not of equal importance or demand in society, it is evidenced by pay which is based on supply and demand. But like Cassino said, there is dignity in doing menial work, and many of these people are using it as a step up to bigger and better things.
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There are lots of circumstances that lead someone to take such a job. Especially right now when there are many, many, many people trying to rebuild their careers (and their lives) after the economy crashed. The crash left millions of people out of work because the job market was flooded with potential employees, and companies were cutting their staff to save money (or keep their profits up (:/)). Frankly, after that mess the people that are employed are lucky that they have jobs at all, considering how desperate so many people were/are to find work.

Besides, somebody has to do those jobs and the services they provide are often taken for granted. They deserve your respect and appreciation for providing them. Because, regardless of occupation, we're all human beings and deserve to be treated with basic decency.
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I understand that most people in this website are young under 30 and on fire!!

But when you get older, you will judge people a lot more because you getting tried of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I dont know why some of you get offend easily... i look down BUT I don't hurt them or anything like that. I don't want to associate with them. I want to be around smart people so i can learn from them

and be successful. and i DONT buy excuse such as i love my job, i dont care low paid . no 1 love low paid job. I respect Mexican people who do backbreaking job but not american who just retailing, MacDonald .

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First of all, I don't appreciate you dismissing my story like as just some "sob story". That is incredibly rude and I expect better from you.

Second of all, you can respect those that went through a lot of work to get their position without looking down on those that are in low skill jobs. No one is saying to treat everyone in all jobs equal; just that it's inappropriate to judge those in low skill jobs negatively and claim they're lazy and have no excuse when our world is so incredibly biased and unfair at times. You're setting up a strawman here by trying to claim that saying "we should respect doctors" is opposed to "we shouldn't judge people working in retail" - those can most certainly be in the same mind at the same time.

Saying "you aren't perfect and therefore you can never try to be a better person" is silly. Sure, I judge. I try my hardest not to but sometimes I do. But I certainly don't argue how my illogical judgments are right and how I should have the right to look down on someone for my judgment, because that's a conscious decision I can make. If I notice I judged someone, I make an effort to make sure the judgment does not cloud my treatment of them. That's something I can do, as a human being trying to be the best person I can be, to override subconscious judgments passed on to me through my socialization. It's one thing to make a mistake without thinking and try to fix it; it's another to make a mistake without thinking and decide to argue that it was never a mistake.

I understand that most people in this website are young under 30 and on fire!!

But when you get older, you will judge people a lot more because you getting tried of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I dont know why some of you get offend easily... i look down BUT I don't hurt them or anything like that. I don't want to associate with them. I want to be around smart people so i can learn from them

and be successful. and i DONT buy excuse such as i love my job, i dont care low paid . no 1 love low paid job. I respect Mexican people who do backbreaking job but not american who just retailing, MacDonald .
I'm guessing you have no education in Sociology and how social attitudes shape who we are and how a lot of people simply living in the world talking about their opinions can change its social landscape. You should read up a little bit on it and then come back and make your argument about how telling hundreds of people publicly that you think retail workers are worth less makes no difference.

I mean, you told some retail workers that you think they're not worth anything and don't deserve basic human respect and that they have no excuse to be working that job when you posted, because some people work in low skill jobs. So you obviously hurt and insulted them directly. Even going beyond the ripple effect an opinion has on the society around it, on a basic level you insulted other posters so of course people would be offended.


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I mean frankly I judge someone based on how they present themselves. If they're going to be a little angsty ♥♥♥♥♥ like the people I worked with at Chuck E. Cheese's then yeah, I'm going to have a problem with them and I am going to look down on them, but because of their character and their attitude. Most times though people are really respectful so I give them a break. I mean, that work is not easy. It's a little sad how we value the most physically straining jobs the least in our culture.

I think a lot of people who are disrespectful to employees are usually those who are looking for some sort of selfish way to milk money from the company (this has happened to me before and yes it works unfortunately), they're having a really bad day and treating everyone like that or they haven't worked in a place like that.

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People are different so you have to treat people base on what they deserve.
let say the earth is about is to get hit by asteroid, who would you pick to be on your spaceship? retailer or engineer?

most of people would pick engineer. .... so most of people look down on retailer. it just human nature.... deal with it
I think that in that extremely obtuse situation, the person who owns the rocket would pick whoever pays him the most money, which to be perfectly honest, is what I would do too. If it just so happens that a retailer was willing to pay me more money than an engineer, then yes, I would pick the retailer.

This is where I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the adult world works. Most people aren't keeping a ranking system in their mind and evaluating people based on their occupation. They're just looking out for themselves and tending to their own affairs. So in your spaceship example, most people would just choose whoever they feel they would profit from the most, regardless of their occupation.
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