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I don't think it'll impact the games more than some references, and maybe back story into how Megas were uncovered in Kalos (and possibly brought to, or also uncovered in the Hoenn region). Perhaps Xerneas and Yvetal were in Hoenn at one point, or the explosion from the weapon sent "radiation"? as far as Hoenn. Or the people of Kalos met the people of Hoenn much like how they linked Johto and Sinnoh at the Sinjoh ruins.
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All they need is a time capsule like Gold/Silver/Crystal had and they're set.
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All they need is a time capsule like Gold/Silver/Crystal had and they're set.
They didn't have the Time Capsule for the Gen V games, or for the Orre spin off games for that matter. So I don't think they'll add it back in (sort of wish they did just to make it sound cool).
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Once again we have the tweet, also one of the NPCs tell us that something happaning with team plasma in unova, which make sure that XY take place at the same time as BW or BW2
This is what Bulbapedia says on the subject (and I'm pretty sure that's the way the NPC put it in the French version as well) :

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So, no, X&Y takes place after B/W/B2/W2.

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I don't know what to think about ORAS and the timeline. What they seemed to do so far, ever since they rebooted everything in Gen 3, was releasing games in more or less chronological order. We had sequels, alternate versions, and adventures that took place more or less at the same time (I say "more or less" because DPPt and HGSS couldn't possible have happened at exactly the same time, because of Jasmine being in both games) , but no prequels.
I still kinda hope the remakes won't be retcons, but more of "history repeats itself"-type stories, but oh well, I can dream all I want.
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I may be the minority here, but I don't feel like Game Freak gives the time line much priority when developing games. Now, I may be wrong, but what I'm saying is if they wanted to add a feature that might potentially clash with the time line, I think they would keep the feature. Sure, some things should be kept within logical boundaries, but it's not a strict following. Thus, they could do anything with ORAS in this respect - I'm excited to see what it'll be. :]
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GF has made it clear that they care more about game mechanics than maintaining a consistent timeline.

For an example, Jasmine's Steel-type Gym. In GSC, she talks about the Steel-type being "newly discovered". However, in RSE and FRLG, there is a Steel-type, despite them taking place beforehand, with no mention of them not being known about beforehand.

Then, HGSS simply retcons Jasmine into talking about how powerful the Steel-type is.

XY, similarly, mentions the newly discovered Fairy-type. And, ORAS, despite taking place beforehand, will also include the Fairy-type, likely with no explanation. Same for Mega Evolutions.

Other examples would be Gen III's trading mechanics - specifically, the ability to trade directly from the main games to both Colosseum and XD, despite them taking place at different times.
While I agree with about the mechanics(and I'm fine with, it will be weird suddenly going back to gen 5 mechanics), there still things that doesn't to paradoxal and can still fit the story. For the example the mega evos-even though they are an uncovered subject, it does known for few years, so maybe ORAS will be where it started.

And btw-how you where colosseum and XD take place in the timeline
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While I know gamefreak can easily ignore the timeline and do whatever they want, I really hope they won't ignore it, I think it give the franchise much more depth and give us a lot more to discuss on.
I think they will do whatever they want. Honestly, while I agree it's fun to have things in order, I don't think it matters that much. Zelda's timeline is more important in the span of the games as they actually seem to connect to each other, and it was clear Nintendo didn't have an idea of the order until fans were begging them for an answer. Following that they released their official timeline, which included a split timeline, so that in order to play the games in canon order you had to actually lose while fighting a final boss. That's pretty dumb. So I think it doesn't really matter to publishers/developers involved with Nintendo unless the games are direct sequels.
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R/B/Y/FR/LG - G/S/C/HG/SS - R/S/E/OR/AS - D/P/Pt - B/W - B2/W2 and X/Y.
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While I agree with about the mechanics(and I'm fine with, it will be weird suddenly going back to gen 5 mechanics), there still things that doesn't to paradoxal and can still fit the story. For the example the mega evos-even though they are an uncovered subject, it does known for few years, so maybe ORAS will be where it started.

And btw-how you where colosseum and XD take place in the timeline
RSE FRLG can directly trade with both Colosseum and XD, despite no mentions of time machines in any game, which doesn't make any sense. XD establishes that it takes place five years after the events of Colosseum - RSE FRLG can't take place simultaneously with both Colosseum and XD, because the events of Colosseum and XD occur at different times.

We're talking about a system in which you can, without any mention of time travel, catch a Pokemon in Orre, trade it, and then trade it back to Orre, five years in the past.

The specifics of where Colosseum and XD take place don't really matter - it doesn't make sense no matter where it is.
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RSE FRLG can directly trade with both Colosseum and XD, despite no mentions of time machines in any game, which doesn't make any sense. XD establishes that it takes place five years after the events of Colosseum - RSE FRLG can't take place simultaneously with both Colosseum and XD, because the events of Colosseum and XD occur at different times.

We're talking about a system in which you can, without any mention of time travel, catch a Pokemon in Orre, trade it, and then trade it back to Orre, five years in the past.

The specifics of where Colosseum and XD take place don't really matter - it doesn't make sense no matter where it is.
I have a feeling R/S/E took place after G/S/C/HG/SS and before or around the same time as DPPt as there are references in DPPt to R/S/E happening in the past. Or G/S/C/HG/SS and R/S/E happened simultaneously. Because Steven is STILL Champion when HG/SS occur, as mentioned in the games.
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I have a feeling R/S/E took place after G/S/C/HG/SS and before or around the same time as DPPt as there are references in DPPt to R/S/E happening in the past. Or G/S/C/HG/SS and R/S/E happened simultaneously. Because Steven is STILL Champion when HG/SS occur, as mentioned in the games.
The thing is though, since these references don't really impact the game unless the Champion itself visits the region and states they're the Champion, it could always be inconsistencies. Especially with the rate that they are producing mainstream PKMN games now, it's highly implied they have different teams working on different games. Although they obviously have supervisors and a backbone, I'm pretty sure there isn't someone who checks what literally every NPC has to say. So we could never know if its 100% or not unless it's actually confirmed.
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Because Steven is STILL Champion when HG/SS occur, as mentioned in the games.
If this is the case, then Emerald doesnt take place with Ruby and Sapphire! The problem is that R,S, and E are simultaneously parallel to each other in terms of time. Now, I am not really that sure if Gen I and Gen III took place at the same time, we don't know. The only thing I could think up to tie FRLG to RSE is the Sevii Islands sidequest, but it could aswell be a time capsule for all we know.

I know the timeline is whack as hell but I'm guessing that GF will probably pull off some retconning in ORAS like they did in RSE when the Steel and Dark types were introduced whereas FRLG was = to RSE in terms of time.
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If this is the case, then Emerald doesnt take place with Ruby and Sapphire! The problem is that R,S, and E are simultaneously parallel to each other in terms of time. Now, I am not really that sure if Gen I and Gen III took place at the same time, we don't know. The only thing I could think up to tie FRLG to RSE is the Sevii Islands sidequest, but it could aswell be a time capsule for all we know.

I know the timeline is whack as hell but I'm guessing that GF will probably pull off some retconning in ORAS like they did in RSE when the Steel and Dark types were introduced whereas FRLG was = to RSE in terms of time.
Does it state he's acting champion, I mean technically HG/SS had appearances by 5 champions
Blue/Red/Lance/Stephen/Cynthia .

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It's Steven xD Second person I see call Steven, Stephen...is it some kind of meme?

I think they'll keep the remakes where they are in the timeline. I think they'll imply retcon the mechanics but keep these games' event happening before B2W2.
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And btw-how you where colosseum and XD take place in the timeline
Colossuem and XD don't take place in the time line at all. The regions don't exist in the main series and Neither Team Snagem nor Cipher exist. Gamefreak doesn't acknowledge the events of spin offs as Canon. Even though most Spin off titles can interact to the limit of being able to send Pokemon to the main series games, none of the spin offs are official. So the two events of Colossuem and XD don't exist with the RSE time line at all.

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If this is the case, then Emerald doesnt take place with Ruby and Sapphire! The problem is that R,S, and E are simultaneously parallel to each other in terms of time. Now, I am not really that sure if Gen I and Gen III took place at the same time, we don't know. The only thing I could think up to tie FRLG to RSE is the Sevii Islands sidequest, but it could aswell be a time capsule for all we know.

I know the timeline is whack as hell but I'm guessing that GF will probably pull off some retconning in ORAS like they did in RSE when the Steel and Dark types were introduced whereas FRLG was = to RSE in terms of time.
Emerald is considered to be non canon for some points. Its a director's cut that they have continuously overlooked. Just as remakes aren't canon to the point that the events are true which is why you can have out of the time point references.

As far as HG/SS is concerned with Emerald its boiled down to which you accept as Canon and which you don't. If you accept HG/SS then the events of Emerald aren't Canon as Steven is reigning champion still even after losing to the main characters (which he makes a reference to). If you don't see the events of HG/SS as Canon since they were retellings and not the original stories, then Emerald could exist in the Canon time line. Emerald on its own was already a retelling of the main story but both sides at once. This is a bit different that with Platinum which wasn't a merger of stories but a new spin on the same story with a twisted ending. Platinum has already been shown twice over to be Canon thanks to Looker reappearing in more than one major Pokemon release (the first set released: B/W and X/Y.


As far as the mentioning of Plasma, the NPC could be refering to the B/W Plasma who were more televised than the later reincarnation who were more secretive with their tactics. I was confused as to why one of the Directors would say XY happen at the same time as B2W2 but if you only count the reference towards N's Plasma and not Ghetsis' then it can make some sense.


As for Fairy Recton....well XY broke the need for that with their main story. AZ's Floette is Fairy type yet the aids both say Fairy was a recently discovered type despite Fairy types existing more than 3000 year prior. When the games appear, they are newly discovered, but when they are remade, they just edit those words out cause its no longer a relevant remark.
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Emerald is considered to be non canon for some points. Its a director's cut that they have continuously overlooked. Just as remakes aren't canon to the point that the events are true which is why you can have out of the time point references.

As far as HG/SS is concerned with Emerald its boiled down to which you accept as Canon and which you don't. If you accept HG/SS then the events of Emerald aren't Canon as Steven is reigning champion still even after losing to the main characters (which he makes a reference to). If you don't see the events of HG/SS as Canon since they were retellings and not the original stories, then Emerald could exist in the Canon time line. Emerald on its own was already a retelling of the main story but both sides at once. This is a bit different that with Platinum which wasn't a merger of stories but a new spin on the same story with a twisted ending. Platinum has already been shown twice over to be Canon thanks to Looker reappearing in more than one major Pokemon release (the first set released: B/W and X/Y.
If Emerald was non-canon, as well as believing HG/SS isn't canon, then why was Wallace part of the champions tournament rather than the gym leader tournaments, as well as Juan's inclusion and the Kanto and Jotho gym leaders using their HG/SS outfits, in B2/W2?
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If Emerald was non-canon, as well as believing HG/SS isn't canon, then why was Wallace part of the champions tournament rather than the gym leader tournaments, as well as Juan's inclusion and the Kanto and Jotho gym leaders using their HG/SS outfits, in B2/W2?
The PWT does not denote canon creditials. Giovanni who was on the run willingly shows up in a public venue as a Gym Leader, to which he lost his position to Blue, but since they used Blue to represent the Champion slot, that left a gap to be filled.

The Champion's tournament lacked enough combatants. So they used all Characters that were classified at one point to be Champions. Blue was a Champion in the original games, Lance in Second, because of the direct lineage, Red who beat Blue was recognized as Champion at one point but is never officially a champion based on our play through .

Blue, Red, and Wallace were added to give a healthy number of Champions leaving two openings in Kanto and Hoenn's Gym Leader slots who they replaced with other available Gym Leaders.

Bianca is also mixed in with the Unova Leaders and World Leaders as a set in Gym Leader. She was never a Gym Leader though. PWT's tournaments themselves aren't Canon to the story line outside of the part where you battle Corless.

All the gyms had to be represented in the tournament in some way, so they brought in two controversial characters. Bianca destroys a lot of the Canon reasoning.
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The PWT does not denote canon creditials. Giovanni who was on the run willingly shows up in a public venue as a Gym Leader, to which he lost his position to Blue, but since they used Blue to represent the Champion slot, that left a gap to be filled.

The Champion's tournament lacked enough combatants. So they used all Characters that were classified at one point to be Champions. Blue was a Champion in the original games, Lance in Second, because of the direct lineage, Red who beat Blue was recognized as Champion at one point but is never officially a champion based on our play through .

Blue, Red, and Wallace were added to give a healthy number of Champions leaving two openings in Kanto and Hoenn's Gym Leader slots who they replaced with other available Gym Leaders.

Bianca is also mixed in with the Unova Leaders and World Leaders as a set in Gym Leader. She was never a Gym Leader though. PWT's tournaments themselves aren't Canon to the story line outside of the part where you battle Corless.

All the gyms had to be represented in the tournament in some way, so they brought in two controversial characters. Bianca destroys a lot of the Canon reasoning.
I don't get why they couldn't put Iris in for Blue's spot and leave Blue in the gym spot and not include Giovanni. I mean they didn't have Koga either...


Anyways I do wonder if B2W2 do take place at the same time as XY...despite the Corless remake it's possible he could've visited before the events of those sequels. Also the Plasma remark could be about old Plasma...
Wish we also had a number to the years between BW and Gen IV's games.
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I don't get why they couldn't put Iris in for Blue's spot and leave Blue in the gym spot and not include Giovanni. I mean they didn't have Koga either...


Anyways I do wonder if B2W2 do take place at the same time as XY...despite the Corless remake it's possible he could've visited before the events of those sequels. Also the Plasma remark could be about old Plasma...
Wish we also had a number to the years between BW and Gen IV's games.
Iris wasn't added cause 1) she's rematchable already. 2) You are the current Champion of Unova and take her place in the tournament.
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The PWT does not denote canon creditials. Giovanni who was on the run willingly shows up in a public venue as a Gym Leader, to which he lost his position to Blue, but since they used Blue to represent the Champion slot, that left a gap to be filled.

The Champion's tournament lacked enough combatants. So they used all Characters that were classified at one point to be Champions. Blue was a Champion in the original games, Lance in Second, because of the direct lineage, Red who beat Blue was recognized as Champion at one point but is never officially a champion based on our play through .

Blue, Red, and Wallace were added to give a healthy number of Champions leaving two openings in Kanto and Hoenn's Gym Leader slots who they replaced with other available Gym Leaders.

Bianca is also mixed in with the Unova Leaders and World Leaders as a set in Gym Leader. She was never a Gym Leader though. PWT's tournaments themselves aren't Canon to the story line outside of the part where you battle Corless.

All the gyms had to be represented in the tournament in some way, so they brought in two controversial characters. Bianca destroys a lot of the Canon reasoning.
Shouldn't this imply that all post-game content in every gen games are non-canon to their respective stories?
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Shouldn't this imply that all post-game content in every gen games are non-canon to their respective stories?
No seeing as some post-game content is consistent with the story, either as a continuation or as a closure to the story itself. Like the battle against N at the end of B2W2 to claim his dragon for your own to be able to get Black Kyurem or White Kyurem.

The post game content for G/S would also be canon for the conclusion with Red.

Added features such as the Battle Tower, Battle Frontier, Battle Maison, Battle Subway, PWT, and those that typically break the fourth wall wouldn't be canon since external influences can change the outcomes to those events, and they were only added in for after game filler.

Story elemented add ons can still be Canon depending on consistency with the story, like Team Rocket on the Sevii Islands, the connection between Kanto and Hoenn through Celio's device, the Looker missions in B/W and X/Y. Post game story for Gold/Silver where you go to fight red, etc.


Battle only features aren't all canon since a lot of the time they don't follow typical story settings.
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Colossuem and XD don't take place in the time line at all. The regions don't exist in the main series and Neither Team Snagem nor Cipher exist. Gamefreak doesn't acknowledge the events of spin offs as Canon. Even though most Spin off titles can interact to the limit of being able to send Pokemon to the main series games, none of the spin offs are official. So the two events of Colossuem and XD don't exist with the RSE time line at all.



Emerald is considered to be non canon for some points. Its a director's cut that they have continuously overlooked. Just as remakes aren't canon to the point that the events are true which is why you can have out of the time point references.

As far as HG/SS is concerned with Emerald its boiled down to which you accept as Canon and which you don't. If you accept HG/SS then the events of Emerald aren't Canon as Steven is reigning champion still even after losing to the main characters (which he makes a reference to). If you don't see the events of HG/SS as Canon since they were retellings and not the original stories, then Emerald could exist in the Canon time line. Emerald on its own was already a retelling of the main story but both sides at once. This is a bit different that with Platinum which wasn't a merger of stories but a new spin on the same story with a twisted ending. Platinum has already been shown twice over to be Canon thanks to Looker reappearing in more than one major Pokemon release (the first set released: B/W and X/Y.


As far as the mentioning of Plasma, the NPC could be refering to the B/W Plasma who were more televised than the later reincarnation who were more secretive with their tactics. I was confused as to why one of the Directors would say XY happen at the same time as B2W2 but if you only count the reference towards N's Plasma and not Ghetsis' then it can make some sense.


As for Fairy Recton....well XY broke the need for that with their main story. AZ's Floette is Fairy type yet the aids both say Fairy was a recently discovered type despite Fairy types existing more than 3000 year prior. When the games appear, they are newly discovered, but when they are remade, they just edit those words out cause its no longer a relevant remark.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Cipher and Snagem were problems for Orre - there's no reason to assume they had noticeable enough presences in other regions for people completely unrelated to Orre to remember them by name.

There is nothing in the games that establishes that the Shadow Pokemon Crisis couldn't have happened.

However, it is possible that it didn't. So, how about a better example of trading weirdness? Black/White and Black/White 2. I don't think anyone could argue that they are non-canon, and yet they trade between each other with no Time Machines.

And, also, I find the idea of an all-encompassing Pokemon canon to be kind of hilariously dumb, simply because of the paired versions. In the canon, which Pokemon did Team Flare awaken - Xerneas or Yveltal? Which team - Magma or Aqua - released their legendary, plunging Hoenn into a Weather Crisis, or was it both teams? Which Creation Trio member did Team Galactic go after, or did they go after both?

And so on and so forth.

These aren't minor inconsistencies that can be swept under the rug and ignored. They're relevant and major differences. And, yet, GF will never clarify any of these, because the differences don't matter. The timeline doesn't matter. It's intentionally left ambiguous enough that any game could coexist in the same timeline as any other game, aside from its sister games and its own pair of remakes / what it is a remake of.

If GF thinks that the timeline or the canon is going to get in the way of them telling the story they want to tell, they can and will ignore it.
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