Nah

Age 30
she/her, they/them
Seen 11 Hours Ago
Posted 19 Hours Ago
15,643 posts
9.5 Years
I made another team....again. And I wanna hear what y'all have to say about it....again. I know y'all are probably tired of me posting team help threads, but I just like to hear what you guys have to say. So here it is:

Darkrai @ Focus Sash
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Dark Void
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Bomb

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Water Spout
- Surf
- Thunder
- Ice Beam

Lucario-Mega @ Lucarionite
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spd
Timid Nature
- Judgment
- Defog
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp

Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 Atk / 252 SAtk / 8 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Sneak
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail

Lugia @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Ice Beam
- Toxic


I didn't notice the convert team to text feature on Showdown till now XD
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."
i would change sludge bomb on darkrai for focus blast.
252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. +2 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 104-124 (26.3 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
since it anyway doesnt do much to geo set xern and even without geo does a 2hko, giving xern time to hit it back.
I dont see how sludge bomb will help otherwise.

i use the same kyogre set, it must prolly be standard lol.

i always wondered how mega-luke would fair in ubers, never used tho :P
i think you should change earthquake to either icepunch or espeed.

also try using mega-kanga, Its p usefull and viable since it takes out sash deo-atk with fake out xD and most of the time really helps with the pop/eq/sucker combo, since it makes things like mega mewtwo y, well silly (sucker ohko's)

nice arceus, idk about defog but ok.

hmm wow on gira seems more sensible and just doing the toxic stall on arc fairy, since gira can take on ekillers well.


Lugia @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Spd / 248 HP / 8 Atk
Jolly Nature
- Roost
- Dragon Tail
- Substitute
- Toxic

this set is better imo, since roost+multiscale helps toxic stall and sub just makes it ezpz.

PlatinumDude

Nyeh?

Age 29
Male
Canada
Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
i would change sludge bomb on darkrai for focus blast.
252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. +2 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 104-124 (26.3 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
since it anyway doesnt do much to geo set xern and even without geo does a 2hko, giving xern time to hit it back.
I dont see how sludge bomb will help otherwise.

i use the same kyogre set, it must prolly be standard lol.

i always wondered how mega-luke would fair in ubers, never used tho :P
i think you should change earthquake to either icepunch or espeed.

also try using mega-kanga, Its p usefull and viable since it takes out sash deo-atk with fake out xD and most of the time really helps with the pop/eq/sucker combo, since it makes things like mega mewtwo y, well silly (sucker ohko's)

nice arceus, idk about defog but ok.

hmm wow on gira seems more sensible and just doing the toxic stall on arc fairy, since gira can take on ekillers well.


Lugia @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Spd / 248 HP / 8 Atk
Jolly Nature
- Roost
- Dragon Tail
- Substitute
- Toxic

this set is better imo, since roost+multiscale helps toxic stall and sub just makes it ezpz.
Sludge Bomb still helps Darkrai against other Fairies, not just Xerneas. A boosted Sludge Bomb still does a number on standard GeoXern, assuming it hasn't boosted. Focus Sash also ensures a health boosted Darkrai can live Xerneas' Moonblast:

252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 206-244 (49.1 - 58.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO (also applies if Xerneas and Darkai have boosted with their respective setup moves)

+2 252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 410-484 (97.8 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

110 Speed is enough to let Lugia outspeed almost every relevant Uber wall, so there's no need for it to use a +Speed nature:
-Toxic/Thunder Wave
-Whirlwind/Dragon Tail
-Aeroblast/Substitute
-Roost
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers

Sludge Bomb still helps Darkrai against other Fairies, not just Xerneas. A boosted Sludge Bomb still does a number on standard GeoXern, assuming it hasn't boosted. Focus Sash also ensures a health boosted Darkrai can live Xerneas' Moonblast:

252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 206-244 (49.1 - 58.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO (also applies if Xerneas and Darkai have boosted with their respective setup moves)

+2 252 SpA Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 410-484 (97.8 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

110 Speed is enough to let Lugia out speed almost every relevant Uber wall, so there's no need for it to use a +Speed nature:
-Toxic/Thunder Wave
-Whirlwind/Dragon Tail
-Aeroblast/Substitute
-Roost
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
tell me one fairy other than xern used in ubers lol, arc fairy has better bulk so well thats out of question. and focus blast really helps with the coverage. even though steel got nerfed to not resist sark/ghost you cant let focus blast go, esp since things like mega luke run around.

oh i made a mistake that needs to be impish,also aeroblast is meh on lugia,it doesn't hit hard enough and substitute+roost+multi is better, but yeah pressure+sub works good too, since it helps in pp stalling annoying stuff like sacred fire ho-oh and groudon for that matter.

and since your calculating a +2 darkrai also note that +2 xern easily outspeeds it, basically i dont see sludge bombs point and usefulness over focus blast :/

also for me sash has become meh with the usage of fake out kanga,
protip never lead with darkrai if kanga is present.

PlatinumDude

Nyeh?

Age 29
Male
Canada
Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
tell me one fairy other than xern used in ubers lol, arc fairy has better bulk so well thats out of question. and focus blast really helps with the coverage. even though steel got nerfed to not resist sark/ghost you cant let focus blast go, esp since things like mega luke run around.

oh i made a mistake that needs to be impish,also aeroblast is meh on lugia,it doesn't hit hard enough and substitute+roost+multi is better, but yeah pressure+sub works good too, since it helps in pp stalling annoying stuff like sacred fire ho-oh and groudon for that matter.

and since your calculating a +2 darkrai also note that +2 xern easily outspeeds it, basically i dont see sludge bombs point and usefulness over focus blast :/

also for me sash has become meh with the usage of fake out kanga,
protip never lead with darkrai if kanga is present.
Sylveon. It sees occasional use as a Wish supporter, but nothing more than that. Really, Focus Blast is only good for hitting niche Pokemon like Terrakion. Dark + Poison have good neutral coverage and the 30% poison chance of Sludge Bomb also puts Xerneas on a timer on how long it can sweep.

Consider this scenario: A healthy Darkrai puts something to sleep, then sets up with Nasty Plot. It can then hit a predicted Xerneas switch-in with Sludge Bomb, then KO it back with the same move. Even better: if Xerneas switches in, it puts it to sleep with Dark Void, giving it room to set up with Nasty Plot.

Aeroblast also lets Lugia hit Blaziken and Mega Mewtwo X directly instead of forcing them out.

Sylveon. It sees occasional use as a Wish supporter, but nothing more than that. Really, Focus Blast is only good for hitting niche Pokemon like Terrakion. Dark + Poison have good neutral coverage and the 30% poison chance of Sludge Bomb also puts Xerneas on a timer on how long it can sweep.

Aeroblast also lets Lugia hit Blaziken and Mega Mewtwo X directly instead of forcing them out.
I have been laddering for a while now, and the only time i saw sylv was when a dood used a meh gimmick ou team. also chansey/blissey outclasses sylv as a wish support even this gen.
i dont use darkrai myself but do not the underestimate focus blast, it helps hit a arceus atleast 1 espeed with proper ev's

252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Arceus: 230-272 (51.8 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+nasty plot so lol

also the team really need a +2 xern counter, and gyro aegi does the job. but i don't know who to sack.

good scenario , 10/10 but no one would let xern remain there and most people are paranoid in switching xern into anything, cause they rely too much on the geomancy. this gen is all about geomancy ;o;

also atleast i would try and scout lugia moves before trying to bring in fighting mons, since cm sets also roam around but i get you, yeah might work to confuse the guy.

Nah

Age 30
she/her, they/them
Seen 11 Hours Ago
Posted 19 Hours Ago
15,643 posts
9.5 Years
I think I'll switch Mega Lucario with Gyro Ball Aegislash. I really need something to wreck Xerneas with. Luke just hasn't been cutting it for me: really frail, needs Swords Dance to do good damage. What's the set for Gyro Ball Aegislash?

Not sure still if I should go with Sub or Aeroblast on Lugia.....I like Whirlwind (and will be keeping Roost and Toxic) because it can phaze through Subs and Fairies.

I'll play around with Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast to see which is better, if either is better than the other at all. Seems like one of those things where both are equally good and you just gotta pick one.

Anything else you guys can think of?
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."
I think I'll switch Mega Lucario with Gyro Ball Aegislash. I really need something to wreck Xerneas with. Luke just hasn't been cutting it for me: really frail, needs Swords Dance to do good damage. What's the set for Gyro Ball Aegislash?

Not sure still if I should go with Sub or Aeroblast on Lugia.....I like Whirlwind (and will be keeping Roost and Toxic) because it can phaze through Subs and Fairies.

I'll play around with Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast to see which is better, if either is better than the other at all. Seems like one of those things where both are equally good and you just gotta pick one.

Anything else you guys can think of?
i use a band scizor, but to wreck +2 xern u need it at at least 90% or less and most of the time need to sacrifice a mon, but the priority bp is p good.
aegi is much better idk why i don't use it,

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Gyro Ball
- Toxic

toxic helps in hitting cm arceus and other bulky things that really annoy, and also give you the option of removing toxic from other mons of yours for some another function. aegi also survive 2 hp fire from +2 xern so that's p good. although any xern set without geomancy will give aegi a head ache, since gyro only 2hko's it then buit i dont think it will be a problem since your team seems capable enough.

Also i would agree with platydude and give lugia aero+whirl

also try seeing if mega kanga works in place of gira.
Kangaskhan (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Fake Out
- Power-Up Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Earthquake

very useful set imo. that powerful fake out and pup *_* and you already have a phazer in the form of lugia and a powerful shadow sneak from aegi. kanga also beats stuff like mega blaze although i put kanga as a bait for mega blaze to hjk and switch in to arc ghost, 99% rage quits LMAO :P