RMT Could use some help.

Started by XxTOOLxX June 6th, 2014 3:35 PM
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Seen October 21st, 2014
Posted October 19th, 2014
60 posts
11.4 Years
There are two parties I like to fight with, but my favorite,by far is this one, my only problem, is it is not always balanced... Any suggestions?

Greininja, Camerupt, Emolga, Flygon, Ludicolo, (and the last I tend to change between Mewtwo, Charizard, Scizor, or Ludicolo)... I am not the best, at making teams, but I would like to think I'm decent-ish at it... Constructive criticism much obliged.
It's been about two and a half years since I been on here soooooo... Heres to a fresh start lol.

Pokemon X FC : 3969-5896-7402
Water Safari : Panpour, Gyarados, Frogadier


Current Challenges:

Random 4 Pokemon: Ruby: Gligar, Chansey, Tangela, Rhydon

The Ones That Got Away: Silver: Dodrio, Politoed, Hitmonlee, Houndoom, Donphan

PlatinumDude

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Posted May 30th, 2020
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12.7 Years
Camerupt is terrible in the standard environment. Its 4x weakness to Water is severely crippling, as Water is a very common attacking type. It's also very slow and its Lucario-level frailty doesn't help in that case. Ludicolo functions best in Rain teams, so it doesn't really have a place in other teams. Flygon is outclassed by Garchomp, which is stronger and faster than it. Emolga is flat-out terrible; its offenses are mediocre and it's frail. Mega Manectric and Wash Rotom are better because they pack more offensive power (and Speed in the former's case).

In the end, the only viable team members you have are Charizard, Scizor and Greninja, with Garchomp and Wash Rotom filling in for Emolga and Flygon. Rapid Spin/Defog support from Excadrill, Latios or Mandibuzz takes up the last slot.

Charizard:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake/Roost
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 144 HP/244 Atk/120 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/148 SDef/112 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Dragon Pulse/Roost
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite Y

Greninja:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam
-Extrasensory
-Dark Pulse/Hidden Power (Grass/Ice)/Grass Knot/Spikes
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash
Ability: Protean

Scizor:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower/Brick Break
-Pursuit/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

Garchomp:
-Swords Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Fire Fang
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

or
-Stealth Rock
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast/Swords Dance
Nature: Naive/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash/Life Orb/Lum Berry

or
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Fire Blast/Dragon Claw
Nature: Naive/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

or
-Stealth Rock
-Dragon Tail
-Earthquake
-Toxic/Fire Blast
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin

Wash Rotom:
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split/Rest
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Chesto Berry

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Thunderbolt/Will-o-Wisp
-Trick
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Excadrill:
-Earthquake
-Iron Head
-Rapid Spin
-Rock Slide/Stealth Rock
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker

or
-Earthquake
-Iron Head
-Rock Slide
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe (Choice Scarf) or 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SDef (Assault Vest; Adamant only)
Item: Choice Scarf/Assault Vest
Ability: Mold Breaker

-Foul Play
-Taunt/Whirlwind
-Defog/Toxic/Knock Off
-Roost
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/136 Def/108 SDef/16 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

Latios:
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Thunderbolt/Hidden Power (Fighting)/Earthquake
-Defog
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Age 29
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That weird place between the areas around me. 0.0...
Seen October 21st, 2014
Posted October 19th, 2014
60 posts
11.4 Years
Thank you for your imput. I don't really know where/how to get rotom wash, but I'll be looking for it, same with excadrill.

I would like to state that as long as your not letting it get hit with water, Camerupt has done really good so far. I don't really see myself switching flygon with garchomp, since Flygon has a movepool that more suits my style of play.

(Also I know this is random,but Emolga really needs an evolution already, same with farfetche'd)
It's been about two and a half years since I been on here soooooo... Heres to a fresh start lol.

Pokemon X FC : 3969-5896-7402
Water Safari : Panpour, Gyarados, Frogadier


Current Challenges:

Random 4 Pokemon: Ruby: Gligar, Chansey, Tangela, Rhydon

The Ones That Got Away: Silver: Dodrio, Politoed, Hitmonlee, Houndoom, Donphan

Zeffy

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Posted January 30th, 2021
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If you're playing competitively then I highly recommend replacing Emolga and Camerupt.

Emolga doesn't really see much use, mostly because it is outclassed by many other Pokemon. Its subpar stats leaves much to be desired, only excelling in Speed. It can't really sweep teams nor even hold a moderate threat. It's not worth using over another Electric-type, like Rotom (and formes), Magnezone, Mega Manectric, Jolteon, Heliolisk, Thundurus, or even Zebstrika.

Camerupt's stats looks okay, but in practice is terrible due to its low Speed and double weakness to Water-type moves, which is always prevalent. I suppose if you run a Solid Rock + Weakness Policy + Rock Polish set then you might be able to catch your opponent off guard and take out one or two, if not all, of their Pokemon. Still, with its average defenses, it can't really hold out on its own for too long. Other Fire-types like Heatran, Charizard (and both of its mega evolutions), Darmanitan, etc., better achieves what Camerupt can only dream of doing.

Lastly, I'd like to address that your team doesn't really hold out for long in a competitive environment. I'm going to quote Anti's advice regarding a recent team of mine that helped immensely change my view in teambuilding, in hopes of affecting you the same way:
I guess my general suggestion, which I guess also takes the form of a question, is what is the strategy? I think the team needs a clearer vision of the strategy so that it can pressure opponents more.
Also, we'd be able to help you better if you provide us at least a list of your Pokemon's moveset, nature, hold items, and, if you're able to determine, EVs.
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Seen October 21st, 2014
Posted October 19th, 2014
60 posts
11.4 Years
Also, we'd be able to help you better if you provide us at least a list of your Pokemon's moveset, nature, hold items, and, if you're able to determine, EVs.


(I understand EV's, but I don't properly understand how to train for them, and such... Also don't know how to see the EVs they already have, so I can't help too much in that)

Emolga:
Nature: Calm
Ability: Static
Volt Switch
Acrobatics
Pursuit
Thunderbolt

Camerupt
Nature: Gentle
Ability: Solid Rock (Which helps with 4x weakness A LOT!!!)
Item: Hard Stone
Flash Cannon
Overheat
Earth Power
Rock Slide

Greninja
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Protean (Because seriously... He's so crippled without it)
Item: Amulet Coin (That's what's on him, but I forget what I put on him when I battle... I've been hatching a lot of eggs lately, so I'd have to search for that)
Ice Beam
Nigh Slash
Surf
Extrasensory

Ludicolo
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Rain Dash
Item: King's Rock
Energy Ball
Ice Beam
Brick Break
Hydro Pump

Flygon
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Levitate (Adds an extra immunity)
Item: Rocky Helmet
Dragon Tail
Crunch
Earth Power
Rock Slide

And then as I said I often change out the last pokemon. I like to use Emolga/Flygon Strategically, for not only their resistances/imunities (as I can switch to them to take zero damage at times, and then use one of their moves that changes them while switching out pokemon, leaving the opponent to (Most likely) use a move fitted to hurt Emolga/Flygon or switch, offering me in some free damage on them. Having Greninja have a vast type of moves, it also helps to further this strategy, if I plan ahead. I could also leave emolga/flygon there if I feel they expect me to switch them out (usually not first time I have opportunity for it though.) I also like to keep them around, because a good bit of opponents won't exactly expect a camerupt/emolga, which might help. I've been overwhelmed, by a pokemon I've only seen once or twice, because I didn't know who he was, and what the moveset was. I really feel like I should keep flygon in party instead of switching it for garchomp, but I do not claim to be a pro at it though, because for 90% of my life I have just been playing casual, which I know is a million times easier. As I said earlier though... I legitamately don't know how to get Rotom... I've only seen it when fighting against other players.
It's been about two and a half years since I been on here soooooo... Heres to a fresh start lol.

Pokemon X FC : 3969-5896-7402
Water Safari : Panpour, Gyarados, Frogadier


Current Challenges:

Random 4 Pokemon: Ruby: Gligar, Chansey, Tangela, Rhydon

The Ones That Got Away: Silver: Dodrio, Politoed, Hitmonlee, Houndoom, Donphan

PlatinumDude

Nyeh?

Age 29
Male
Canada
Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
12,958 posts
12.7 Years
(I understand EV's, but I don't properly understand how to train for them, and such... Also don't know how to see the EVs they already have, so I can't help too much in that)

Emolga:
Nature: Calm
Ability: Static
Volt Switch
Acrobatics
Pursuit
Thunderbolt

Camerupt
Nature: Gentle
Ability: Solid Rock (Which helps with 4x weakness A LOT!!!)
Item: Hard Stone
Flash Cannon
Overheat
Earth Power
Rock Slide

Greninja
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Protean (Because seriously... He's so crippled without it)
Item: Amulet Coin (That's what's on him, but I forget what I put on him when I battle... I've been hatching a lot of eggs lately, so I'd have to search for that)
Ice Beam
Nigh Slash
Surf
Extrasensory

Ludicolo
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Rain Dash
Item: King's Rock
Energy Ball
Ice Beam
Brick Break
Hydro Pump

Flygon
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Levitate (Adds an extra immunity)
Item: Rocky Helmet
Dragon Tail
Crunch
Earth Power
Rock Slide

And then as I said I often change out the last pokemon. I like to use Emolga/Flygon Strategically, for not only their resistances/imunities (as I can switch to them to take zero damage at times, and then use one of their moves that changes them while switching out pokemon, leaving the opponent to (Most likely) use a move fitted to hurt Emolga/Flygon or switch, offering me in some free damage on them. Having Greninja have a vast type of moves, it also helps to further this strategy, if I plan ahead. I could also leave emolga/flygon there if I feel they expect me to switch them out (usually not first time I have opportunity for it though.) I also like to keep them around, because a good bit of opponents won't exactly expect a camerupt/emolga, which might help. I've been overwhelmed, by a pokemon I've only seen once or twice, because I didn't know who he was, and what the moveset was. I really feel like I should keep flygon in party instead of switching it for garchomp, but I do not claim to be a pro at it though, because for 90% of my life I have just been playing casual, which I know is a million times easier. As I said earlier though... I legitamately don't know how to get Rotom... I've only seen it when fighting against other players.
As I mentioned before, Emolga is terrible and Flygon is outclassed. Wash Rotom and Scizor share better synergy together because they cover their sole weaknesses better (Wash Rotom resists Scizor's Fire weakness; Scizor resists Wash Rotom's Grass weakness). If you want a Rotom in-game, they can be encountered in Lost Hotel's shaking trash cans, but they're somewhat rare.

Like I mentioned earlier, Camerupt's common weaknesses, frailty and low Speed hinder it from doing anything at all to common threats like Greninja and Therian Landorus. I'd suggest replacing it entirely.

A Sassy nature is a waste of Greninja's incredible Speed stat. Timid is the best nature for it. Refer to the Greninja set I posted for the ideal set.

Ludicolo is best suited for dedicated rain teams, IMO, and this team isn't one. It also can't use physical moves well because its Special Attack is better than its physical Attack.

Like Greninja, a Sassy nature is a waste of Flygon's Speed (100 is decent, but still not the best admittedly, but it still shouldn't be wasted). It's outclassed by Garchomp because it's stronger, faster and bulkier. While Flygon has U-turn for scouting purposes, Noivern does that better because of its higher Speed (but that's another story). FYI, Dragon Tail has negative priority (meaning it will go after most moves with a higher priority bracket), which is detrimental to a Pokemon as fast as Flygon. The occasional defensive Garchomp makes better use of Dragon Tail because of its superior bulk. Earth Power runs off of Flygon's lower Special Attack, making Earthquake the better option. Crunch provides no noteworthy coverage whatsoever apart from Ghosts and Psychics (which are hit almost as hard by Earthquake, a required move for Flygon). Is mixed attacking your strategy with Flygon? If it is, Garchomp does it better because it also has the same base Special Attack of 80 in its regular form; it does mixed attacking better in its Mega form thanks to the huge increase in both its offensive stats upon Mega Evolution, but it needs sandstorm support to work to its full potential, as Sand Force is useless outside of sandstorm. Refer to my above post for Garchomp sets.

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(I understand EV's, but I don't properly understand how to train for them, and such... Also don't know how to see the EVs they already have, so I can't help too much in that)
Here is a really good guide on how to EV train. :)