RMT How to Counter Whimsicott?

Started by Hoenn_Waters June 9th, 2014 8:13 PM
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Hoenn_Waters

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Posted July 30th, 2014
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This is my team:
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Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Play Rough
- Superpower

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
- Counter
- Destiny Bond
- Encore
- Mirror Coat

Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite

Manectric @ Manectite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Sludge Wave

Scolipede @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Poison Jab
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance
- Protect

So I tested this team on Showdown and I found that it's annoyingly weak towards Prankster users, I can counter Pokes like Sableye with my Azumarill and Mega Banette with my Gengar. However, this Whimsicott loves to use Sub first then spam Leech Seed to be an anoyyer. I tried fooling it with my Scolipede by letting it taunt me then use Poison Jab, but like I said it will always Sub first to predict my moveset. I also tried other Grass types like Breloom or Ferrothorn to prevent seeding but it will Dazzling Gleam/Taunt me before setting up ANOTHER sub. What should I do? I couldn't think of other Pokemon to Counter it besides ExtremeSpeed users, little help?


Note :I don't use Smogon, I only follow some of their movesets, so don't recommend me with their tiers and banlists

PlatinumDude

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Azumarill needs enough Speed EVs to outspeed Pokemon up to minimum base Speed 70s, like defensive Politoed. If you want to go faster, 92 Speed EVs outspeeds Aegislash, while 124 lets Azumarill outspeed regular Scizor.

Wobbuffet's EVs need re-doing, since Counter and Mirror Coat base their damage on how much damage Wobbuffet took. Use 28 HP/252 Def/228 SDef with a Bold/Calm nature for optimal bulk.

You can consider Choice Band Scizor to act as part of a Volt-turn core alongside Mega Manectric:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower/Brick Break
-Pursuit/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

The only thing that benefits from Scolipede's Swords Dance is Azumarill, but the boosts will be wiped away when it's forced to switch out. A Timid nature is useless if Scolipede runs a physical offensive move. I'd recommend having Scolipede as a late-game cleaner or a hazard lead, since your current Scolipede set appears geared towards dedicated Baton Pass teams:
-Megahorn
-Spikes
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass/Earthquake/Rock Slide
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost

or
-Megahorn
-Poison Jab/Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Protect
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost

Edit: if you have a hard time with Prankster users, a Pokemon with a sound move or a multi-hit move can strike past the Substitute. Mega Gardevoir or Mega Heracross can do that for you, though this means replacing Manectric:

Gardevoir:
-Psyshock
-Hyper Voice
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball/Will-o-Wisp/Taunt
Nature: Timid
EVs: 24 Def/232 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace

or
-Calm Mind
-Psyshock
-Hyper Voice
-Shadow Ball/Taunt
Nature: Timid
EVs: 24 Def/232 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace

Mega Heracross:
-Pin Missile
-Close Combat
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake/Swords Dance
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe
Item: Heracronite
Ability: Guts/Moxie

Don't forget Talonflame, which naturally outspeeds 0 Speed Whimsicott, meaning its priority-induced Brave Birds will go before the Sub:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Tailwind/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

I can counter Pokes like Sableye with my Azumarill and Mega Banette with my Gengar.

What? Most sableye's have will-o-wisp, if azu gets burned and den knocked off, ur done for. And mega banette is mostly notorious for the priority destiny bond, stall mons dat doesn't care about any status moves would be best to take it down, I generally use tox stall gliscor and stall it to death.