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-Meganuim w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Defense
Moves: Giga Drain, Aromatherapy, Synthesis, Dragon Tail

Ice Punch fails to OHKO:
252+ Atk Life Orb Swampert Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Meganium: 208-247 (57.1 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Meganium is faster than Swampert and wrecks it with Giga Drain
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Swampert @ Life orb
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 252 Atk/204HP/52 Spe

Tanks everything. Shadow ball is a 3HKO. Flamethrower is a possible 5HKO

Earthquake is a OHKO
Waterfall haves 12.5% Chances of OHKO
And nobody in his/her own mind is going to use ice punch/Superpower on Chandelure
You do realize that doesnt beat Chandelure right?

0 SpA Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 130-154 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage

252+ Atk Life Orb burned Swampert Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 168+ Def Chandelure: 173-204 (53.5 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


In a nutshell, burn + Life Orb recoil and shadow ball beat swampers faster than it beats you if it comes in on a wisp.

Also a counter must be able to switch into what its countering at little or no risk to itself and drive out the opposing pokemon. Neither of which happen here.



Weaville @ Life orb
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 252 Atk /252 Spe/ 4HP

Ok. Giga Drain is a 3HKO, Since he's faster Hits it with ice punch and it's a 2HKO (I don't know how that ****ing thing can tank that). Then he uses ice shard and it's gone!
Knock off is a 2HKO
Low kick is a 3HKO
Ice shard haves a extremely small chance to make 2HKO (0.4%)

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 72 SpA / 16 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Circle Throw
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Hard walled basically.
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Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Tail

Pls burn me so I wall you harder

0 Atk Poliwrath Circle Throw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 52-63 (13.1 - 15.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever

72 SpA Poliwrath Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 29-35 (7.3 - 8.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever

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PD: I'm not sure if it's a counter, Because Milotic can draw it out of combat with dragon tail.
Nah, it is a counter. Phazing =/= countering.

And to counter Mega Abomasnow:


-Charizard w/Charti Berry
Nature: Timid
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Dragon Pulse, Roost

Buuuuuuurn, mother****er, burn.
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Marill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Superpower
- Waterfall

252 SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Marill: 111-132 (32.2 - 38.3%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Marill Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard: 408-480 (137.3 - 161.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Marill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard: 204-242 (68.6 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Recover

0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 88-104 (20.6 - 24.4%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

vs.

0 SpA Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 126-148 (36.6 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+ Recover
alternatively Scald + Burn will do the trick, too
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Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Focus Blast
- Dragon Pulse

0 SpA Gastrodon Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 68-84 (22.8 - 28.2%) -- 78.2% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gastrodon: 716-844 (168 - 198.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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-Blissey w/Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Defense, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 HP
Moves: Seismic Toss, Aromatherapy, Toxic, Soft-Boiled

Fat pink blob be wallin' yo ass.
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Spiritomb:
(using PMD icon 'cause I can, plus Mystery Dungeon Sky is such a fun game)
-Sucker Punch
-Pursuit
-Foul Play
-Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Def
Item: Black Glasses
Ability: Infiltrator

Spiritomb is only 3HKOed by Ice Punch and is immune to everything else. It can cripple Medicham with Will-o-Wisp, turn its high Attack against it with Foul Play, heavily damage it with Pursuit or slam Medicham with Sucker Punch if it tries an Ice Punch.


Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Ground

252+ Atk Black Glasses Spiritomb Sucker Punch vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 97-114 (24.7 - 29%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Spiritomb: 524-618 (172.9 - 203.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Hippopotas @ Eviolite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Atk / 252 Def / 24 SpD
Impish Nature
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock


252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Eviolite Hippopotas: 109-129 (33 - 39%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Eviolite Hippopotas: 87-103 (26.3 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Eviolite Hippopotas: 27-32 (8.1 - 9.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever



20 Atk Hippopotas Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 254-302 (70.3 - 83.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

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Gastly @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hex
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp
- Dazzling Gleam

i dont play lc so idk about the evs and stuff but meh nvm

0 ****s given

252 SpA Life Orb Gastly Hex (130 BP) vs. 212 HP / 24 SpD Eviolite Hippopotas: 21-27 (80.7 - 103.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Stunky @ Life Orb
Ability: Stench
EVs: 252 Atk / 12 SpA / 244 Spe
Serious Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Crunch
- Sludge Bomb
- Play Rough

252 Atk Life Orb Stunky Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Gastly: 39-47 (205.2 - 247.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb burned Stunky Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Gastly: 19-23 (100 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 ****s given indeed

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-Bisharp w/Black Glasses
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Knock Off, Iron Head, Sucker Punch, Swords Dance

Bisharp don't give a **** either.
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Ill make this thread better by not posting ****** pre evos and trying to be funny.

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Trait: Justified
252 SAtk / 252 Speed / 6 Hp
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power Flying
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Azumarill @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
- Waterfall

252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 16 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 124-147 (35.9 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

vs.

252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 390-462 (120.3 - 142.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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-Arcanine w/Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Defense, 8 Attack
Moves: Flare Blitz, Extreme Speed, Toxic, Morning Sun

Superpower+Bullet Punch isn't enough even after a SD:
+1 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Superpower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 199-235 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 75-88 (19.5 - 22.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

Then goes boom with Flare Blitz.

I never understood Light Metal on Scizor though. It 4x resists Grass Knot, Heavy Slam is rarely seen and it resists that anyway. Heat Crash is Emboar only (and nobody uses Emboar) and it would die even with Light Metal. There's Low Kick, but that's not common either. The only poke that I can think of that runs Low Kick on a semi-regular basis is Tyranitar, but that doesn't wanna eat a Superpower or +2 Bullet Punch.
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-Arcanine w/Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Defense, 8 Attack
Moves: Flare Blitz, Extreme Speed, Toxic, Morning Sun

Superpower+Bullet Punch isn't enough even after a SD:
+1 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Superpower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 199-235 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 75-88 (19.5 - 22.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

Then goes boom with Flare Blitz.

I never understood Light Metal on Scizor though. It 4x resists Grass Knot, Heavy Slam is rarely seen and it resists that anyway. Heat Crash is Emboar only (and nobody uses Emboar) and it would die even with Light Metal. There's Low Kick, but that's not common either. The only poke that I can think of that runs Low Kick on a semi-regular basis is Tyranitar, but that doesn't wanna eat a Superpower or +2 Bullet Punch.
Light Metal lets regular Scizor (that's holding the Scizorite) switch in and take reduced damage from Low Kick and Grass Knot. Sure, it already resists the latter, but switching in to the former is easier. Plus, its Mega has Technician anyways. In-cartridge Mega Scizor tend to use Technician in their base form simply because Steadfast Scyther are hard to come by.

Anyway:

Magcargo:

-Lava Plume
-Earth Power
-Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body

Resists both of Arcanine's moves and is immune to Will-o-Wisp. Does whatever it pleases to Arcanine, mainly by crippling it with Toxic and wearing it down with Earth Power.

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Light Metal lets regular Scizor (that's holding the Scizorite) switch in and take reduced damage from Low Kick and Grass Knot. Sure, it already resists the latter, but switching in to the former is easier. Plus, its Mega has Technician anyways. In-cartridge Mega Scizor tend to use Technician in their base form simply because Steadfast Scyther are hard to come by.

Anyway:

Magcargo:

-Lava Plume
-Earth Power
-Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body

Resists both of Arcanine's moves and is immune to Will-o-Wisp. Does whatever it pleases to Arcanine, mainly by crippling it with Toxic and wearing it down with Earth Power.

Scald
Aqua Jet
Flash Cannon
Stealth Rock
Nature Quiet
EVs 252 Sp.A/128 Sp.D/63 Atk/63 Def
Item Leftovers
Ability Torrent

The King of the arctic sea Empoleon will take down you Macargo. Empoleon will come in hit the scald Macargo will survive with about a third, and use earth power taking Empoleon to Torrent range Empoleon finishes it eather Torrent boosted Scald or Aqua Jet


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Lanturn @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Immune to most of Empoleon's attacks, and Flash Cannon does pitiful damage. Meanwhile, Lanturn can threaten to 2hko or it can gain momentum or just derp around.