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Ok DNA in all living organisms are made of the same four nucleotide, this provides simplicity and organization that is impossible to argue as a mistake. The human body is made of trillions of these much simpler cells that implement this DNA. As for the theory lets go with the scientific use of it, how was evolution tested and proved over and over? Why did all the monkeys all of a sudden stop evolving. Why can we not get a talking Ceaser.
Denying evolution is pointless. We know it is real. The only reason it is still a theory and not a law is because the specific details of how it has fully progressed is still being figured out. Evolution is very slow and takes millenia. Who says monkeys have stopped evolving? You should really read up on evolution and the scientific method before you dismiss it.

Also yes, it is an accident (or rather lucky cooincidence) that I exist. I think that is what makes nature and life so amazing.

Anyway this is going off topic now. Someone please explain how the soul works to get us to an afterlife if our 'self' is fragile and affected by chemical and physical changes in the brain.

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Denying evolution is pointless. We know it is real. The only reason it is still a theory and not a law is because the specific details of how it has fully progressed is still being figured out. Evolution is very slow and takes millenia. Who says monkeys have stopped evolving? You should really read up on evolution and the scientific method before you dismiss it.

Also yes, it is an accident (or rather lucky cooincidence) that I exist. I think that is what makes nature and life so amazing.

Anyway this is going off topic now. Someone please explain how the soul works to get us to an afterlife if our 'self' is fragile and affected by chemical and physical changes in the brain.

How can I just believe in "we know it is real" with no proof. If it is an accident someone is existing than there is more than 7 billion accidents that exist in the world, which is very unlikely. I am trying to understand but you are not convincing me by brushing it off. This is actually is not going off topic as without believing in a creator who created everything how can we possibly understand the after life.
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How can I just believe in "we know it is real" with no proof. If it is an accident someone is existing than there is more than 7 billion accidents that exist in the world, which is very unlikely. I am trying to understand but you are not convincing me by brushing it off. This is actually is not going off topic as without believing in a creator who created everything how can we possibly understand the after life.
You don't need to believe, there is strong evidence to support it.

These include:
1. Fossils (including their distribution in time)
2. Similarities between species - both chemical and anatomical (e.g. you mentioned the thing about DNA)
3. Artificial selection/selective breeding.

This site sums it up very quickly and simply.

Most breeds of dogs we know today have been created by selective breeding in the last two hundred years. Therefore, it is absurd to think given millions of years that a similar diversity cannot occur naturally.

Also, on the note of the eye, it is a flawed design. The position of the optical nerve means we have a large blind spot at the rear of our retina. If a creator did exist he dun goofed.

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You don't need to believe, there is strong evidence to support it.

These include:
1. Fossils (including their distribution in time)
2. Similarities between species - both chemical and anatomical (e.g. you mentioned the thing about DNA)
3. Artificial selection/selective breeding.

This site sums it up very quickly and simply.

Most breeds of dogs we know today have been created by selective breeding in the last two hundred years. Therefore, it is absurd to think given millions of years that a similar diversity cannot occur naturally.

Also, on the note of the eye, it is a flawed design. The position of the optical nerve means we have a large blind spot at the rear of our retina. If a creator did exist he dun goofed.
Do you know what would happen if a human breeds with an ape? Do you know what would happen if we were to get a transplant from apes? Humans should not be compared to animals as we are clearly designed with something they lack the ability to think. How can you say that the eye is flawed when if put on scale it alone is worth so much more than anything anyone can offer you in this world. The eye is flawed yet can you imagine a day without that eye. I guess we are looking at this from two different views, while you try portray what is supposed to be perfection I m looking at it as I'm grateful I can even see. No one can even create something close to it and how do you know it was not by design it was created that way.

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Do you know what would happen if a human breeds with an ape?
Probably nothing, seeing as how members of different species usually can't breed.
Do you know what would happen if we were to get a transplant from apes?
Body would reject the transplant. Hell, even between other humans the body might still reject a transplant.
Humans should not be compared to animals as we are clearly designed with something they lack the ability to think.
I don't see what's so terrible about being compared to other animals. Some of them are pretty cool. Just because we're the only species with this level of cognitive function doesn't automatically mean that someone designed humanity.
How can you say that the eye is flawed when if put on scale it alone is worth so much more than anything anyone can offer you in this world. The eye is flawed yet can you imagine a day without that eye.
The eye does have a flaw, and Lotus explained what that flaw is. But that doesn't mean that the eye is worthless either. Nobody's saying that.
No one can even create something close to it and how do you know it was not by design it was created that way.
How do you know that it was designed? Your job to provide the proof of that, not us. And an answer along of the lines of "oh, it's so complex and pretty" is not an answer. I mean, if you could come up with some good proof for that, we could end this part of the debate.
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Zekrom responded to most of your points, but:

No one can even create something close to it and how do you know it was not by design it was created that way.
Considering there are scientists working on the bionic eye, I beg to differ. However I very much doubt when the scientists have their meetings they're discussing what prime place they should intentionally place a blind spot.

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Humans should not be compared to animals as we are clearly designed with something they lack the ability to think.
But we, humans are technically animals. We evolved from monkeys, just like every other animal that currently exists evolved from something. Just because we conquered the entire world and built cities, doesn't mean we aren't animals.

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This is the definition of the word "Animal" according to Biology-Online.org, which means it is the raw, unbiased, and purely scientific definition of Animal:
noun, plural: animals
A living organism belonging to Kingdom Animalia that possess several characteristics that set them apart from other living things, such as:
(1) being eukaryotic (i.e. the cell contains a membrane-bound nucleus) and usually multicellular (unlike bacteria and most protists, an animal is composed of several cells performing specific functions)
(2) being heterotrophic (unlike plants and algae that are autotrophic, an animal depends on another organism for sustenance) and generally digesting food in an internal chamber (such as a digestive tract)
(3) lacking cell wall (unlike plants, algae and some fungi that possess cell walls)
(4) being generally motile, that is being able to move voluntarily
(5) embryos passing through a blastula stage
(6) possessing specialized sensory organs for recognizing and responding to stimuli in the environment
Just felt like getting that out of the way. This is pure Biology, not opinion.

Humans meet every single criteria for this definition. Therefore, we are animals.
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Probably nothing, seeing as how members of different species usually can't breed.

Body would reject the transplant. Hell, even between other humans the body might still reject a transplant.

I don't see what's so terrible about being compared to other animals. Some of them are pretty cool. Just because we're the only species with this level of cognitive function doesn't automatically mean that someone designed humanity.

The eye does have a flaw, and Lotus explained what that flaw is. But that doesn't mean that the eye is worthless either. Nobody's saying that.

How do you know that it was designed? Your job to provide the proof of that, not us. And an answer along of the lines of "oh, it's so complex and pretty" is not an answer. I mean, if you could come up with some good proof for that, we could end this part of the debate.
Thank you zekrom for answering the first few questions. Just to also add do you know how fast the body will reject it, a lot faster than any human. So far I have tried my best to come up with actual facts that have been brushed off, I am surprised the DNA is not convincing enough but ok we will keep going no problem just remember none of you have provided facts for this evolution or that we were created from nothing/accident( 0+0 dies not equal 1) . As for the eye your correct it does have a blind spot no arguments there. This blind spot you speak of is less .25 % did you know that? Just let me know how many people have been effected by. Now this would be considered a flaw if humans were created with only one eye, yet we are created with two to ensure that this so called blind spot is taking care by the other eye. By the way the blind spots so called flaw is also all the theoretical not factual one again.

https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/eyes/is-our-inverted-retina-really-bad-design/

This is the definition of the word "Animal" according to Biology-Online.org, which means it is the raw, unbiased, and purely scientific definition of Animal:


Just felt like getting that out of the way. This is pure Biology, not opinion.

Humans meet every single criteria for this definition. Therefore, we are animals.

I specifically said we need to stop comparing humans to animals as their is a clear difference.

This is the definition of the word "Animal" according to Biology-Online.org, which means it is the raw, unbiased, and purely scientific definition of Animal:


Just felt like getting that out of the way. This is pure Biology, not opinion.

Humans meet every single criteria for this definition. Therefore, we are animals.
I wanted to also add that is the definition for a lot of living things so do you want say that all animals including the humans evolved from a single animal and became all these different animals. Or should we use this same definition to show an organized creation that has been created. Lol by the way all this evolution makes me think we might be Pokemon.

But we, humans are technically animals. We evolved from monkeys, just like every other animal that currently exists evolved from something. Just because we conquered the entire world and built cities, doesn't mean we aren't animals.
Is this something you want to believe or is it actual fact?

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I specifically said we need to stop comparing humans to animals as their is a clear difference.
We can't compare humans to animals because we ARE animals.

Now if you're insisting on comparisons to differing species, then be my guest. That would be the correct route. It doesn't change the fact that we still are animals. But we aren't chimpanzees or dogs.

However, where is your proof that evolution is as flawed as you think it is? Evolution was never intended to explain the origin of life, but it does explain the fact that we adapted from our ancestors differently, which is why we still exist and they are extinct. It is all adaptation, not some miracle transformation. Do you really insist that you are not only more intelligent than over 90% of scientists, who I might add have RESEARCHED this time and time again for over a century, but also have all the answers? Intelligence Design is all talk and no proof. Evolution has troves of evidence backing it up and we keep finding more. Several people in this thread have given you several examples of proof, which you only debunked with your opinions, but I have yet to see any from you.

The burden of proof is on you. The only thing you have is a bible and citations pointing at it. The problem is this, the Bible is your claim. You cannot use your claim as evidence. That is a logical fallacy known as Circular Logic. To leave any mark in a debate, you have to provide evidence outside of this claim. That evidence is to be used to back up your claim. Without evidence, your opinions mean nothing.
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Is this something you want to believe or is it actual fact?
I'm not sure what your definition of "fact" is, as there are fossils that, the farther back you go, are less and less like us and more and more like the primates we came from. There is even evidence of evolutionary branches, in the same way wolves and dogs evolved from a common ancestor. The only difference is the branches of our chain died out.

Religion and evolution can coexist peacefully you know. For example, Catholicism is not against evolution although they believe that God created the world.


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I wanted to also add that is the definition for a lot of living things so do you want say that all animals including the humans evolved from a single animal and became all these different animals. Or should we use this same definition to show an organized creation that has been created. Lol by the way all this evolution makes me think we might be Pokemon.
That definition is specifically and only pertaining to animals. Period. Yeah, it's a lot of living creatures, because there are a lot of living creatures that happen to meet the criteria to be defined as an animal. It is a massive category that encompasses billions upon billions of species that live and have lived. It doesn't change the fact that we fit that definition. We all evolved from simpler life forms over billions of years. Every single species picked up different traits through mutations, mostly caused by long-term exposure to external stimuli, such as warmer/colder climates, available vegetation, elevation, coastal/landlocked regions, soil content and quality, air quality, water sources/lack thereof, sun exposure, etc. In short, it is all location, location, location.

The fact that each race of humans have different characteristics that just happen to be favorable for their region of origin could not just be a coincidence. It is because we adapted and still are adapting.

Here is a link to the Smithsonian Institution's Website

I am not going to sit here and have the same debate for the umpteenth time. Chances are, it won't make a difference no matter how much evidence is presented. But knock yourself out. It is at least a good read even if you aren't convinced.
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We can't compare humans to animals because we ARE animals.

Now if you're insisting on comparisons to differing species, then be my guest. That would be the correct route. It doesn't change the fact that we still are animals. But we aren't chimpanzees or dogs.

However, where is your proof that evolution is as flawed as you think it is? Evolution was never intended to explain the origin of life, but it does explain the fact that we adapted from our ancestors differently, which is why we still exist and they are extinct. It is all adaptation, not some miracle transformation. Do you really insist that you are not only more intelligent than over 90% of scientists, who I might add have RESEARCHED this time and time again for over a century, but also have all the answers? Intelligence Design is all talk and no proof. Evolution has troves of evidence backing it up and we keep finding more. Several people in this thread have given you several examples of proof, which you only debunked with your opinions, but I have yet to see any from you.

The burden of proof is on you. The only thing you have is a bible and citations pointing at it. The problem is this, the Bible is your claim. You cannot use your claim as evidence. That is a logical fallacy known as Circular Logic. To leave any mark in a debate, you have to provide evidence outside of this claim. That evidence is to be used to back up your claim. Without evidence, your opinions mean nothing.
I don't know if you realized this but I have not used any religious text as citation, I have used factual science and still you ignore it. Evolution is still not fact even if you ask these 90% of amazing scientists. I have clearly provided evidence but you choose to ignore it. Look, what ever you give me as long as it is fact I will not deny. You make it seem as if I am hard headed and ignore reality. Did you even read my messages? You did not answer to any of my responses probability, rational, DNA, and I gave explanation for the eye with fact not just believing in what ever someone else said with no proof.
"Without evidence, your opinions mean nothing." What ever I have stated I have backed up.

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I'm not sure what your definition of "fact" is, as there are fossils that, the farther back you go, are less and less like us and more and more like the primates we came from. There is even evidence of evolutionary branches, in the same way wolves and dogs evolved from a common ancestor. The only difference is the branches of our chain died out.

Religion and evolution can coexist peacefully you know. For example, Catholicism is not against evolution although they believe that God created the world.
Fact as in undeniable. Religion and factual science can exist together.

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I don't know if you realized this but I have not used any religious text as citation, I have used factual science and still you ignore it. Evolution is still not fact even if you ask these 90% of amazing scientists. I have clearly provided evidence but you choose to ignore it. Look, what ever you give me as long as it is fact I will not deny. You make it seem as if I am hard headed and ignore reality. Did you even read my messages? You did not answer to any of my responses probability, rational, DNA, and I gave explanation for the eye with fact not just believing in what ever someone else said with no proof.
"Without evidence, your opinions mean nothing." What ever I have stated I have backed up.
Obviously, you didn't bother to read the fact that I posted a link to a scientific website that provides every single answer to every single question that you have asked. I did read your posts, hence why I provided the link. That is my source. Where is yours? -All I have seen is a website about Genesis, which is once again using claim as evidence.- Incorrect on my end. I took the website name at face-value. However, the eye's design may be complex, but that does not at all mean a creator invented it, for there is no valid proof beyond, "Well, just look at it." Please make a list and give me reading material. I don't want what YOU think. I want your facts. That's all. I will gladly go through them and see if it changes my own views. If it is a religious website that you direct me to, I will read it, but it won't to anything, as it will use your claim as evidence. It has to be purely scientific. If you can do that, then awesome, I will take a look at it and fact check it. Meantime, read the contents of the website that I had provided.
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Obviously, you didn't bother to read the fact that I posted a link to a scientific website that provides every single answer to every single question that you have asked. I did read your posts, hence why I provided the link. That is my source. Where is yours? All I have seen is a website about Genesis, which is once again using claim as evidence. Please make a list and give me reading material. I don't want what YOU think. I want your facts. That's all. I will gladly go through them and see if it changes my own views. If it is a religious website that you direct me to, I will read it, but it won't to anything, as it will use your claim as evidence. It has to be purely scientific. If you can do that, then awesome, I will take a look at it and fact check it. Meantime, read the contents of the website that I had provided.
By the way I stand corrected on saying religion and factual science as not all religion is truth. I meant to say one creator who created everything and science can be proved to confirm that and vice versa, so it must be a religion that does not contradict itself. I apologize if I posted a religious link I was actually looking specifically on the eye portion of it. As for the facts I have used you should know them since your into evolution you should know what DNA is made of, you realize nothing happens out of nothing, and as for the eye I am pretty sure I explained that clearly.

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Fact as in undeniable. Religion and factual science can exist together.
Evolution is as undeniable as gravity. Just because you can come up with an idea that is different than evolution doesn't mean it's not a fact; you could say that you think that gravity is caused by an undetectable gas in our atmosphere and not by mass of the object with gravity, but that doesn't make your idea logical. What about the clear evolutionary and genetic line of fossils from primates to humans confuses you?


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Gravity is a theory as well. A scientific theory. Those are different from your kind of theory. The fact that you dismiss it as clearly different is amusing, because the whole point is, from a scientific perspective, they are identically proven. If you believe in the theory of gravity because you think it's scientifically proven, then you agree with evolution because it is also scientifically proven. As much as science can ever "prove" anything; science cannot say for certain that the next thing you drop won't fall up instead of down, but based on our knowledge of the world that is incredibly unlikely. Just like science can't prove a jerk God who likes to mess with the heads of humans (some God you've got there) didn't plant fossils of people that never existed. However, based on our knowledge of fossils and evolution in general, we can assume that this isn't the case.

http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/09/513465-the-nature-of-science-why-gravity-is-just-a-theory

Everything you "know" scientifically is a theory. Nothing is proven. If you believe in gravity, if you believe in the concept of outer space, if you believe that planets orbit one another, if you believe that there are plates under the earth that cause earthquakes along fault lines, then you are putting your belief in a theory. Claiming "it's a theory therefore you're wrong" is...ignorant, to put it bluntly. If you want to debate science, you first have to understand science, and you do not.

Edit: Really, put aside religion for a moment and just think about evolution from a common sense perspective. You know that mutations happen to children in the womb, because they still happen today. Most of the time, they're detrimental. But think about two creatures. One is completely blind. The other can sense darkness and light, through a genetic mutation. It's logical to assume that the one that can sense darkness and light will be more likely to survive, as it will be able to get out of the open and into cover since it can tell where cover is based on shadow and light. It won't be hunted as much, it won't be exposed to the elements, etc. Thus over generations that gene mutation, of sensing darkness and light, will be more likely to be passed on because that person is alive longer to breed. Then another mutation comes along; another person has the ability to see vague shapes. They're going to be able to hunt better, find things better, find other people better, escape predators better. They'll survive longer than the person that can just detect darkness and light, and will be more able to find mating partners, so they'll have more children and in the end their genes will be passed on. This is how it works; a completely logical set of events leading in the end to a feature of ourselves (in this example, the eye) developing over millions of years.


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I don't know if you realized this but I have not used any religious text as citation, I have used factual scie is still not fact even if you ask these 90% of amazing scientists. I have clearly provided evidence but you choose to ignore it. Look, what ever you give me as long as it is fact I will not deny. You make it seem as if I am hard headed and ignore reality. Did you even read my messages? You did not answer to any of my responses probability, rational, DNA, and I gave explanation for the eye with fact not just believing in what ever someone else said with no proof.
"Without evidence, your opinions mean nothing." What ever I have stated I have backed up.
By the way I stand corrected on saying religion and factual science as not all religion is truth. I meant to say one creator who created everything and science can be proved to confirm that and vice versa, so it must be a religion that does not contradict itself. I apologize if I posted a religious link I was actually looking specifically on the eye portion of it. As for the facts I have used you should know them since your into evolution you should know what DNA is made of, you realize nothing happens out of nothing, and as for the eye I am pretty sure I explained that clearly.

I wasn't involved in the eye argument, but I can happily provide a source that argues against the claim. The link you posted was just tricky and I gave it a chance. It is a great source for the Irreducible Complexity view, which for a while, was very powerful.

I do have something that refutes it: http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/icdmyst/ICDmyst.html
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It is ok guys I'm gonna end here if you cannot understand that everything on this earth coexists as a part of a creation and not some random accident that's fine. Just realize for a minute what randomness would look like and how it is possible that it can come all together. Think about the sun , moon , planets, day/night and stars that it must of been an almighty creator who brought all this together and aligned them not coincidence( don't say Big Bang as it is a theory lol) . Just like you go through school by tests and depending on how well you did you will be raised a level and this is how life is. This life is a test and we will see our results in the afterlife. Good debate everyone and I apologize if I offended anyone and I hope you can forgive me.

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It is ok guys I'm gonna end here if you cannot understand that everything on this earth coexists as a part of a creation and not some random accident that's fine. Just realize for a minute what randomness would look like and how it is possible that it can come all together. Think about the sun , moon , planets, day/night and stars that it must of been an almighty creator who brought all this together and aligned them not coincidence( don't say Big Bang as it is a theory lol) . Just like you go through school by tests and depending on how well you did you will be raised a level and this is how life is. This life is a test and we will see our results in the afterlife. Good debate everyone and I apologize if I offended anyone and I hope you can forgive me.
The sun, moon, and planets are really just big balls of matter condensed by gravity. Even solar systems and galaxies are just gravitational attraction on a large scale.
Also, the Big Bang theory was originally proposed by a Catholic priest, iirc.

@Oryx: Isn't gravity a law and not a theory?


But I think what would most helpful for the debate here is if you could condense all your points and links into a single post for everyone. It'd be easier for us to see what you're saying if you do that; everything's kinda scattered throughout the thread atm.
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You say it is undeniable as gravity but you cannot prove it like you can gravity. Your giving me your opinion not proving evolution is fact even though the people who came up with it say is theory yet for some reason you believe it is fact?
Prove gravity exists: Drop an object. Note it falls instead of floating.

Prove evolution exists: Look back through history. Take notes of the different species that have existed throughout time. Compare them with the species we have today. Look at the the similarities and the differences. Look at the environments they lived in and notice what in these environments cause these changes.

I don't think you quite comprehend the concept of evolution in its most basic form. It's not as if is something wakes up in the morning and has changed its form. Evolution is a slow process that takes place of many, many, many thousands of years. How it works, is simple. Allow me to use, let's say... mice as an example. In their most basic structure, you have white mice and black mice. Now let's use a forest as the environment.

1.) What do you expect to live longer, and thus produce more offspring?
2.) Why is this true? And what does it entail?

1.) Clearly, in that environment, the darker mice.

2.) The darker color of their fur allows them to camouflage better among the similarly colored forest floor. This makes it harder for predators to notice them, as opposed to say a white mouse that would produce a stark contrast. They would survive longer, and thus produce more offspring with their particular phenotype. The mice who don't have the phenotype of dark fur would begin to die off as they are more easily hunted by prey leading to a decreased number of offspring with this phenotype in the next generation as the parental generation didn't live as long and thus produced less offspring. It wouldn't happen over night, but you would slowly begin to notice the population of mice shifting to those of a darker fur color. THAT is evolution. And it does not occur in individuals, but rather species.

Another example you can take are the Galapgos finches/mockingbirds/birds etc. The different environment causes them require different methods of doing things, such as obtaining food. This video below explains it pretty well.



Also, you continue to use circular reasoning. You say look at these wonderful things? They had to made by God because they're so wonderful. That is not logic at all.

tl;dr: I don't think you understand what evolution is. You don't just wake up one day being a different species. In fact, individuals don't evolve at all--species do. For example, a bird that uses it long beak to gather food in cracks and crevices of trees and other plants. The birds with longer beaks will find this easier to do. They get more food, and they get easier, reducing the food for birds with smaller beak. This establishes their presence over the birds with small beaks and they become of the particular species of bird that exists on the island due to the fact that the small beaked birds have no way of competing for what is a limited supply of resources. THAT is evolution.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm curious when you say not all religion is truth... do you include aspects of your own religion? Or just other religions that you don't believe in? And furthermore, do you have evidence to prove that the religion you're back is any more true than a religion you don't believe in?

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The sun, moon, and planets are really just big balls of matter condensed by gravity. Even solar systems and galaxies are just gravitational attraction on a large scale.
Also, the Big Bang theory was originally proposed by a Catholic priest, iirc.

@Oryx: Isn't gravity a law and not a theory?


But I think what would most helpful for the debate here is if you could condense all your points and links into a single post for everyone. It'd be easier for us to see what you're saying if you do that; everything's kinda scattered throughout the thread atm.
A scientific law is only something that can be summed up in a succinct sentence or an equation. The law you're referring to is Newton's law of gravity, an equation, which used to be considered fact beyond a doubt but has since shown to not be helpful in all instances (that's where relativity comes in). Laws and theories are both able to be disproven, they just describe different things.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html


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A scientific law is only something that can be summed up in a succinct sentence or an equation. The law you're referring to is Newton's law of gravity, an equation, which used to be considered fact beyond a doubt but has since shown to not be helpful in all instances (that's where relativity comes in). Laws and theories are both able to be disproven, they just describe different things.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html
Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying that.
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