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That's the biggest bunch of malarkey I have EVER heard, tbh.

While I am not opposed to having officers of the law, I am opposed to how most currently carry out their duty. I'm opposed to the amount of power given to any one person, and I'm opposed to special sanctions made to protect them. Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there, but they are far and few.

As I see it now, the police system needs a major overhaul--at least here in America, and not towards militarization as they seem to be moving.

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There are indeed many law enforcement officials who abuse their power, but you get that whenever you establish authority, be it to enforce laws or for another purpose. You have to understand that police and law enforcement officials have extremely rigid guidelines, I'm not sure if they could be any more strict, about how police are allowed to act in order to protect the people and themselves. Let me give you an example. A police officer can carry around a gun, yes, but they are rarely allowed to use it. The use of the gun can be authorized in any of the following situations:

-The officer's life is in danger
-There is an imminent threat to the environment, the people, or other law enforcement officials
-The person is armed or poses some type of threat to everyone involved

While there are many other factors, police officers are often advised to shoot-to-wound, not to kill, or to use a non-lethal method of eliminating the target, whether it be a taser, rubber bullets, or something else. Some police officers do abuse their power when it comes to situations like these, however, you must remember that police officers are human too. Most of these people have families and loved ones they want to protect and that they hope to return to after their shift, so to expect an officer not to have fear or make a mistake is both unfair and impractical. Yes, mistakes need to be dealt with accordingly, but they already are being dealt with and they already follow rigid guidelines when it comes to their service.

We can not place the fault entirely on the police, however. We must realize that, as citizens, we are expected to comply with our authorities and obey civil ordinances whether or not we deem them appropriate. Just because we don't like a particular law, doesn't make it any less of a law, thus you are still accountable for anything you do to violate it. Also, constantly pointing out the flaws in law enforcement and demanding a change will not solve anything. Just as law enforcement is made up of human beings, who are naturally imperfect, so are the common people. We make mistakes too, and we must acknowledge that. We are nowhere near perfect, and constantly presenting that fact to each other will make little to no difference, it will just create more problems. The police aren't as heavily armed as people think, and most of the time, they are held accountable for their actions. The police don't just drive around tanks and carry fully automatic rifles, but when they are allowed to use more powerful weaponry, it is used to deal with larger threats. Most of the time police are armed with the simple equipment, unless heavier weaponry is needed. But I've sidetracked enough, so I will just explain the best way that I believe we can solve problems like these.

Of course, the key to solving any major problem that affects our nation is to work together as a civilized people striving towards a common goal. In order for us to truly solve our problem, we need to, as a group, go through the following steps:

1. Acknowledge the problem and set aside any personal bias.
2. Determine what the problem is caused by.
3. Work together to create a solution that benefits everyone.

Those are my final thoughts on the topic.:)
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I don't have a huge opinion on the police, but I do believe that if it were mandatory that all were to wear "pocket cameras" on duty, that it would have a profound effect on police malpractice.
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There are indeed many law enforcement officials who abuse their power, but you get that whenever you establish authority, be it to enforce laws or for another purpose. You have to understand that police and law enforcement officials have extremely rigid guidelines, I'm not sure if they could be any more strict, about how police are allowed to act in order to protect the people and themselves. Let me give you an example. A police officer can carry around a gun, yes, but they are rarely allowed to use it. The use of the gun can be authorized in any of the following situations:

-The officer's life is in danger
-There is an imminent threat to the environment, the people, or other law enforcement officials
-The person is armed or poses some type of threat to everyone involved

While there are many other factors, police officers are often advised to shoot-to-wound, not to kill, or to use a non-lethal method of eliminating the target, whether it be a taser, rubber bullets, or something else. Some police officers do abuse their power when it comes to situations like these, however, you must remember that police officers are human too. Most of these people have families and loved ones they want to protect and that they hope to return to after their shift, so to expect an officer not to have fear or make a mistake is both unfair and impractical. Yes, mistakes need to be dealt with accordingly, but they already are being dealt with and they already follow rigid guidelines when it comes to their service.

We can not place the fault entirely on the police, however. We must realize that, as citizens, we are expected to comply with our authorities and obey civil ordinances whether or not we deem them appropriate. Just because we don't like a particular law, doesn't make it any less of a law, thus you are still accountable for anything you do to violate it. Also, constantly pointing out the flaws in law enforcement and demanding a change will not solve anything. Just as law enforcement is made up of human beings, who are naturally imperfect, so are the common people. We make mistakes too, and we must acknowledge that. We are nowhere near perfect, and constantly presenting that fact to each other will make little to no difference, it will just create more problems. The police aren't as heavily armed as people think, and most of the time, they are held accountable for their actions. The police don't just drive around tanks and carry fully automatic rifles, but when they are allowed to use more powerful weaponry, it is used to deal with larger threats. Most of the time police are armed with the simple equipment, unless heavier weaponry is needed. But I've sidetracked enough, so I will just explain the best way that I believe we can solve problems like these.

Of course, the key to solving any major problem that affects our nation is to work together as a civilized people striving towards a common goal. In order for us to truly solve our problem, we need to, as a group, go through the following steps:

1. Acknowledge the problem and set aside any personal bias.
2. Determine what the problem is caused by.
3. Work together to create a solution that benefits everyone.

Those are my final thoughts on the topic.:)
While that sounds easy in writing, it's a lot harder to foresee in person. They have many non-lethal tools at their disposal that they should rely on more often. They intimidate, harass, and otherwise bully people. Even if the cops that act in this manner may happen to be a small percentage... many of them don't get punished for doing things like they, maybe a suspension for like a week while they "carry out an investigation." I think the biggest problem isn't in how the cops behave, but the fact that we have a system that allows them to behave in an unfit manner.

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While that sounds easy in writing, it's a lot harder to foresee in person. They have many non-lethal tools at their disposal that they should rely on more often. They intimidate, harass, and otherwise bully people. Even if the cops that act in this manner may happen to be a small percentage... many of them don't get punished for doing things like they, maybe a suspension for like a week while they "carry out an investigation." I think the biggest problem isn't in how the cops behave, but the fact that we have a system that allows them to behave in an unfit manner.
I know I've argued in favor of the police before, but I agree with this. The police could set up a in-branch legal system sort of like UCMJ that the military uses. Only problem is that would be hard to pull off considering police departments are state ran and funded.
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I know I've argued in favor of the police before, but I agree with this. The police could set up a in-branch legal system sort of like UCMJ that the military uses. Only problem is that would be hard to pull off considering police departments are state ran and funded.
Yeah, it would be. All their investigations are done internally. Meaning by people who are from the department/same jurisdiction, and in most cases, they're going to try and cover each other's ass. It's a pretty unacceptable system. Why give the power to decide if they are at fault to their own selves?

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Yeah, it would be. All their investigations are done internally. Meaning by people who are from the department/same jurisdiction, and in most cases, they're going to try and cover each other's ass. It's a pretty unacceptable system. Why give the power to decide if they are at fault to their own selves?
Not most cases, If your a E1-E5, maybe even E6 no one is going to cover your ass. For the most part UCMJ works, they love to hand out their article 15s. I can see more corruption happening from police using this system though due to it probably only being ran within each state.
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Not most cases, If your a E1-E5, maybe even E6 no one is going to cover your ass. For the most part UCMJ works, they love to hand out their article 15s. I can see more corruption happening from police using this system though due to it probably only being ran within each state.
Oh, the military no. The Police force? Most definitely. The military is held to a bit of a higher standard. Luckily for me, if I still get to enter the Navy, I'll most likely be entering at e4, so I'll be able to move higher faster >.> I would never, on the other hand, be a cop. I don't care if they wanted to hire me as Chief of Police. There is a key difference between the two, and it saddens me that the police force of the US is getting approve more and more to be more militaristic. I could go into some conspiracy drabble about it, but it seems a bit out of place for now.

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Nice, just keep drilling those recruiters. I'm jelly man, I just got my E4 a few months ago and I've been in for almost 3 years now lol. Just volunteer for everything when you get to your unit.

Yeah, I mean can understand swat teams having m4s, but I don't know about the average police officer.

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While there are many other factors, police officers are often advised to shoot-to-wound, not to kill, or to use a non-lethal method of eliminating the target, whether it be a taser, rubber bullets, or something else.
I don't know how else to say this, but I believe this to be incorrect. When I was taught down at the range and the classrooms, when it came down to the gun the goal was always to remove the threat permanently (if the baddie gave up, great, no need to shoot). Two in the chest and one in the head, two in the chest and on in the head, two in the chest and one in the head (annoying, right? Try having that repeated to you about 1000 times). The idea of shooting to wound is pretty bold, and an old statement.

When presented with life v. death situations, most people (including officers) are not a very good definition of calm. They're hands sweat, they can't think, their hearts race, and all the while some creep is running at them with a knife. Bad ju-ju, that. Officers have a high suicide rate due to extreme stress and severe depression, not to mention short-staffed PDs suffer from sleep deprevation.

I've seen people slug rounds in the dirt at two metres, and that was just when a drill instructor was yelling up and down the line. Not to mention that certain cases where the officer shot to wound the perp and was in turn sued because the bad guy was now limp, his arm is gone, paralyzed, etc. So when an officer's gun is out, it's go time.

That's not to say that certain situations call for other, less-lethal means like the stungun or bean bag shot (most officers, if any, do not carry rubber bullets on their person).


For your information arsenal: it was found that non-lethal weapons; technically, do not exist; therefor all previously dubbed non-lethal weapons now fall under the category of less-lethal for all legal purposes.

The best example of a 'non-lethal' weapon: When the bean bag shot was first introduced, it was a nightmare. The little bags were shaped like little ravioli, and once fired, they'd spin into a horrifying buzzsaw of death. Officers were confused when shotguns loaded with beanbag shot were severing the limbs off of people, and shredding their corpses. They fixed that mistake rather quickly.

Not trying to patronize, just trying to be helpful so you can pass along info.

Edit: It just occurred to me that you may be speaking of another form of police in a country other than the United States, if that is indeed the case, then most of what I stated up above may become irrelevant.

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I don't know how else to say this, but I believe this to be incorrect. When I was taught down at the range and the classrooms, when it came down to the gun the goal was always to remove the threat permanently (if the baddie gave up, great, no need to shoot). Two in the chest and one in the head, two in the chest and on in the head, two in the chest and one in the head (annoying, right? Try having that repeated to you about 1000 times). The idea of shooting to wound is pretty bold, and an old statement.

When presented with life v. death situations, most people (including officers) are not a very good definition of calm. They're hands sweat, they can't think, their hearts race, and all the while some creep is running at them with a knife. Bad ju-ju, that. Officers have a high suicide rate due to extreme stress and severe depression, not to mention short-staffed PDs suffer from sleep deprevation.

I've seen people slug rounds in the dirt at two metres, and that was just when a drill instructor was yelling up and down the line. Not to mention that certain cases where the officer shot to wound the perp and was in turn sued because the bad guy was now limp, his arm is gone, paralyzed, etc. So when an officer's gun is out, it's go time.

That's not to say that certain situations call for other, less-lethal means like the stungun or bean bag shot (most officers, if any, do not carry rubber bullets on their person).


For your information arsenal: it was found that non-lethal weapons; technically, do not exist; therefor all previously dubbed non-lethal weapons now fall under the category of less-lethal for all legal purposes.

The best example of a 'non-lethal' weapon: When the bean bag shot was first introduced, it was a nightmare. The little bags were shaped like little ravioli, and once fired, they'd spin into a horrifying buzzsaw of death. Officers were confused when shotguns loaded with beanbag shot were severing the limbs off of people, and shredding their corpses. They fixed that mistake rather quickly.

Not trying to patronize, just trying to be helpful so you can pass along info.

Edit: It just occurred to me that you may be speaking of another form of police in a country other than the United States, if that is indeed the case, then most of what I stated up above may become irrelevant.

Thank you for the information, I wasn't aware that most officers didn't have non-lethal weapons at their disposal. I was speaking of the United States but my knowledge of law enforcement is quite limited, so I was simply stating what I have heard. Thank you for the input though, it's quite informative and should prove useful in future endeavors. I have more understanding of laws than law enforcement itself, so a lot of what I was saying earlier was only what I have heard in past experiences. :)
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Don't get me wrong, there are good cops out there, but they are far and few.
I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration. The ratio of the "good cop-bad cop" subject heavily favors the good cops; the thing about this though is that like in many cases, the vocal minority (in this case, the bad cops) are generalized for the entire subject of debate. Because of things like the media and the Internet, we are bombarded by negative things happening in the world like police brutality and are more likely than not not subjected to the good deeds of police nor the things they do that ultimately pass under the radar. While yes, some police institutions needs to be either reviewed and examined or specific police units needs to be reevaluated, for the most part the police do an excellent job regulating the laws of our country as well as keeping the casualties to a minimum.
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I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration. The ratio of the "good cop-bad cop" subject heavily favors the good cops; the thing about this though is that like in many cases, the vocal minority (in this case, the bad cops) are generalized for the entire subject of debate. Because of things like the media and the Internet, we are bombarded by negative things happening in the world like police brutality and are more likely than not not subjected to the good deeds of police nor the things they do that ultimately pass under the radar. While yes, some police institutions needs to be either reviewed and examined or specific police units needs to be reevaluated, for the most part the police do an excellent job regulating the laws of our country as well as keeping the casualties to a minimum.
Perhaps good cop was a bad way of putting. The majority of cops probably follow all their rules and stick well within their parameters. But you don't often hear about a cop going above and beyond in his line of duty. You always hear about them doing what they shouldn't be doing. While the media obviously has a huge effect on this, I've noticed many things in my local community and other areas I've been too as well.

Whenever I hear about a cop doing something extraordinary, such as a cop buying a boy a real mattress(because he only had an air mattress) and trying to get him other things such as a Wii, or a cop buying breakfast and coffee for the homeless people that lined up at a soup kitchen that was closed... it has literally nothing to do with the fact that they are cops.

That being said, I'll reiterate. The problem isn't necessarily cops themselves, but the system which allows cops to behave in negative ways.

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Perhaps good cop was a bad way of putting. The majority of cops probably follow all their rules and stick well within their parameters. But you don't often hear about a cop going above and beyond in his line of duty. You always hear about them doing what they shouldn't be doing. While the media obviously has a huge effect on this, I've noticed many things in my local community and other areas I've been too as well.

Whenever I hear about a cop doing something extraordinary, such as a cop buying a boy a real mattress(because he only had an air mattress) and trying to get him other things such as a Wii, or a cop buying breakfast and coffee for the homeless people that lined up at a soup kitchen that was closed... it has literally nothing to do with the fact that they are cops.

That being said, I'll reiterate. The problem isn't necessarily cops themselves, but the system which allows cops to behave in negative ways.
Cops do extraordinary things every day. You don't hear about it because it is expected of them. I've worked with cops my entire life. You'd be surprised what the media doesn't report on and what it does.

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Perhaps good cop was a bad way of putting. The majority of cops probably follow all their rules and stick well within their parameters. But you don't often hear about a cop going above and beyond in his line of duty.
One of the first things that they tell you when looking to be a law enforcement officer: It's a thankless job. I find it funny that you expect the media to go around looking for some story they can't sell effectively.

Besides: Man saves woman and mother of 3 from fatal accident by sacrificing self!

Or: Brutal murders! A man is suspected of stabbing 9 people late at night in the suburbs!

One of these stories will not make it to the front page, guess which one? The media goes after the juice, buckaroo. Always the juice, the badguys, the drunken celebrities, the scandals, the bad cops.

You'll find in a small excerpt that so-and-so was awarded the Medal of honor whilst still alive. . . booooring! In more important news: Princess who-zit gets knocked up again! Katy Perry on drugs! And how to have better sex in more ways than one! <- most magazines at the checkout isles.

The public cares not for it's biggest heroes, and I find most of them to be worth less than the scum on my boot. Piece of advice: There is good and bad everywhere, in every profession, so of course you're going to find the bad ones because they make more noise.

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Very valid points you have there. I will admit that I am speaking from a biased perspective, as when I talk about cops, it's mostly about the ones where I live. And they are pretty bad. Literally trained to be racist, the sheriffs anyway. Among many other things...

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