Scottish independence referendum Page 2

Started by Ivysaur September 7th, 2014 12:20 AM
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Ivysaur

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I highly doubt there will be violence. The entire voting has been presented as a celebration of democracy, there are hardly any tensions these days, and the Yes camp is going to get a lot of goodies regardless of the results. And, in case it's a Yes, there will be two long years of negotiations so it's not like the unionists can start blowing things up tomorrow already before knowing what's going to happen for sure. And, you know, this isn't a country in a Civil War or something, it's not like there are this huge flammable tensions underneath about to explode. Quite the opposite.

Oh, and if Yes wins- what is the United Kingdom of England-and-Wales and Northern Ireland supposed to do? Force them to stay against their majority will? Rather absurd. There hardly would be any tensions, other than disappointment over a breakup- but nothing to cause actual, physical pain to anybody.

Also, this might also work in England's favour, if it means moving towards federalization- they also deserve their own Parliament separate from Westminster so they can also rule themselves. It's a step forward for everybody, started by the Scots.
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I think your quite naive, If you think there will be no tensions, am not saying there will be some kind of civil war, Armed resistance or mass riots reducing Scottish cities to dust, but there will be groups of people not pleased with the outcome and will more than likely vent their frustrations.
The woman who his going to stand as my constituency's Labour MP has already been arrested for assault at a poll station.
There has been nasty overtones to some aspects of the campaign and some votes have felt uncomfortable in expressing their views.
After all this is an emotive event and on both side the consequences for losing could be catastrophic. (Yes team the dream of an interdependent Scotland over and Salmonds Grand plan failed, for the No team, its could be devastating to the Labour Party, ruins Cameron's creadability, harm the UK economy and undermines UK and NATO defence policy (the loss of Nuclear fleets home port).

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Well don't worry, BBC is calling it a No, so it seems they are staying in with the Constitutional changes and the Devo-Max Salmond wanted from the beginning. I still think we won't see any serious tensions anywhere.

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It's not the end of the world, there's not gonna be too many hard feelings about this. The UK's always been rather mature with regards to outcomes of votes, so I don't see anything major coming of this. It's been a very interesting political event, I have to say. It probably got closer than it could have been due to some arrogant behaviour on our side of the border! I think we'll be able to make amends for that, though.
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Not really. Scots will get more power, money and they still have the backing of the rest of the UK if things go wrong. Not great for the nationalists that would have been running their own country but for the general populous I think this will be the best thing.

Also looks as if this will be the start of a pretty major shake up of UK politics. Watch this space.
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I actually think despite the referendum ended as a victory for No larger than the margin I expected something great seems to be coming from this last week.

Whilst Scotland are going to get more powers it seems the opportunity is also being taken to finally solve the West Lothian Question and also setup a English Parliment.
I think whatever powers are given to Scotland those exact same powers should not only be given to England but Wales and Ireland also.

A federal UK is the way to go from here

Add in the new young voters who got their first taste of a voting process there is no way 16-18 year olds will not be able to vote in future elections there is now a whole new area of voters so the next election is going to be very intresting to say the least.

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>tensions & riots
good one

Scottish MPs have a say in BRITISH issues, whilst Westminster will grant more power on a LOCAL level for Scotland. Of course the Scots should have a say on national things that will affect them.... they are only asking for more autonomy when it comes to things regarding Scotland and Scotland only.

I must say I'm disappointed, but at least Scotland came this far in a reasonably short space of time. Who knows where they will go from here.

As for the UK and England, a major shake up? I doubt it... David Cameron said himself, it's a Scottish issue that they must resolve themselves. The Tories could not care less, and Labour only cared about losing their seats, which are now secure, so there's no reason to change anything at all.

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Ah, it's unfortunate to see the Scots voted No. But, I think it makes sense. The fighter in me wants Scotland to live independently and prosper on its own. But independence has a lot of powerful, negative ramifications. The loss of the British pound would be heavy. How would the state of their economy be in the gap time between their acquisition of the Euro? And even then, who's to say the Euro bring them out of that rubble? Is it even worth the trouble? Such are definitely the questions voters were asking themselves.

As an independent country, Scotland would have definitely lagged in almost every area. Of course there would be an adjustment period, getting everything back on track from the comfort and status quo of the 307-year alliance. But even after that, Scotland would have trouble identifying itself amongst the world. Trades will always be in the favour of other Anglo giants. The UK will always be importing & exporting more, as will the US and Canada. Would Scotland be able to survive off their oil, whiskey and tourism? Not sure. That uncertainty definitely swayed voters toward No.

But still... the chance, the opportunity. It was there. A democratic, non-violent end to a union. One where everyone involved would respect the outcome. Amazing! I wonder if Scotland will follow in the steps of Quebec. Quebec's referendum was, at one point, as close as Scotland's was yesterday. 49/51%-type voting. But since then, Quebec has not at all been a separatist state, not even close to how it used to be. Will Scotland see the same fate?

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Salmond said (possibly pledged) that the independence vote was a once in a lifetime thing.

So, it does make sense for someone else to take the reins if they do want to go for independence again. If Salmond were to do it again, it would be bad for his credibility, really. We'll have another referendum in maybe 5-10 years I reckon.
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Salmond said (possibly pledged) that the independence vote was a once in a lifetime thing.

So, it does make sense for someone else to take the reins if they do want to go for independence again. If Salmond were to do it again, it would be bad for his credibility, really. We'll have another referendum in maybe 5-10 years I reckon.
I'm not sure there will be the future of the UK rests on the next year and the promised powers to Scotland, faliure to deliver them would result in a lot of the No votes becoming Yes voters and independence then would happen at some point.

However I can see these promised powers being given not only because Westminster have seem to relised just how hated they are by Scotland and how close they actually were to breaking up the UK they will want to avoid it again in the near future, and by giving power to Scotland it is the only way to give the same powers to England.
I can see the Tories trying to push this through before the next election because having a English parliment would massively be in the Tories favor and work against Labour

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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scottish-independence-70000-nationalists-demand-referendum-be-re-held-after-vote-rigging-claims-1466416

A petition demanding a revote got 70,000 scot signatures. Electoral fraud during the referendum has been suggested on several different occasions. We'll see where this leads...