RMT Critique my first team (Sun Dance)

Started by BongsAway October 10th, 2014 9:00 PM
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Hey Everyone this is my first post and my first competitive team. I am trying to get into it before the next games come out so i am very open to suggestions. Thank you ( I haven't finished breeding all the pokemon thats why i haven't put all the IVs up.) And sorry i don't know how to make it look all fancy and a little too lazy to try.

1.Pokemon:Charizard
IV Spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Item:Charizardite X
Nature:Jolly
Ability:Tough Claws
Moves:Dragon Dance
dragon claw
Flare Blitz
Roost

2.
Pokemon: Umbreon
IV Spread: 31/31/31/31/31/x
Item: Left Overs
Nature: Careful
Ability: Synchronize
Moves: Curse
payback
moonlight
sunny day

3. Pokemon: Ninetails
Item: heat rock
Nature: Timid
Ability: Drought
Moves: Substitute
heatwave
Solar beam
nasty plot/will-o-wisp?

4.Pokemon: Gliscor
Item: Toxic orb
Nature: Impish
Ability: Poison heal
Moves: Stealth rock
Toxic
earthquake
taunt / u turn?

5. Pokemon: Venusauar
Item: Life orb
Nature:Modest
Ability: Chlorophyll
Moves:sludge bomb
giga drain
leech seed/solarbeam?
growth

6. Pokemon: Scizor
IV Spread 31/31/31/x/31/31
Item: Focus Sash
Nature: Adament
Ability: Technician
Moves: Bullet punch
swords dance
x-sissor
u-turn

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Mandibuzz does the better defensive Dark Pokemon role better than Umbreon, IMO, because of its better overall bulk. It also packs more useful utility moves. It's also easier to get Foul Play on it (Mandibuzz learns it as an egg move; Foul Play Umbreon has to be transferred from B2/W2):
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Whirlwind/Taunt
-Defog/Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/136 Def/108 SDef/16 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

Ninetales needs as much survivability as it can get, either by running RestTalk, or using Pain Split in conduction with Substitute. If you want to be gutsy, you could use Nasty Plot, but you cut into its survivability:
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Flamethrower
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/140 SDef/120 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought

or
-Substitute
-Pain Split/Calm Mind
-Flamethrower
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic/Roar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought

or
-Nasty Plot
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Hidden Power (Ground)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought

Gliscor can go physically defensive or specially defensive:
-Earthquake
-Acrobatics
-Taunt/Toxic/Fling/Stealth Rock
-Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Earthquake/Knock Off
-Toxic/Knock Off/Stealth Rock
-Taunt/Stealth Rock
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/184 SDef/72 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

There's no reason for Venusaur to use Solar Beam and Giga Drain at once:
-Growth/Sunny Day
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb/Sleep Powder
-Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 72 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk/180 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

Scizor is too bulky for Focus Sash. It needs more immediate power in Choice Band:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower/Brick Break
-Pursuit/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

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Thanks that was some of the best advice I've gotten (i've posted this on other forums). and i'm sorry but i hate mandibuzz, lol the way it looks.. and idk its just not my pokemon.. since i am pretty set on running umbreon do you think you could help me make the best out of it? i bred it with curse and a careful nature with max ivs in all but speed.. i felt on a sun team umbreon's moonlight would be a great asset.

I probably will be taking your nine tails advice with this set
-Substitute
-Pain Split/Calm Mind
-Flamethrower
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic/Roar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought

I really don't want to lock my scizor into any moves :/

venusaur ... do i really have to go through the pain of breeding HP fire?? could i just run growth, giga drain, sunny day, sleep powder . or perhaps stun spore

My Gliscor . acrobatics? is that incase someone uses knockoff on me?.. i won't breed for defog which is why i had taunt.. so I'm thinking roost, acrobatics, earthquake, taunt.

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Thanks that was some of the best advice I've gotten (i've posted this on other forums). and i'm sorry but i hate mandibuzz, lol the way it looks.. and idk its just not my pokemon.. since i am pretty set on running umbreon do you think you could help me make the best out of it? i bred it with curse and a careful nature with max ivs in all but speed.. i felt on a sun team umbreon's moonlight would be a great asset.

I probably will be taking your nine tails advice with this set
-Substitute
-Pain Split/Calm Mind
-Flamethrower
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic/Roar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought

I really don't want to lock my scizor into any moves :/

venusaur ... do i really have to go through the pain of breeding HP fire?? could i just run growth, giga drain, sunny day, sleep powder . or perhaps stun spore

My Gliscor . acrobatics? is that incase someone uses knockoff on me?.. i won't breed for defog which is why i had taunt.. so I'm thinking roost, acrobatics, earthquake, taunt.
Sun teams need Rapid Spin or Defog support to function. Mandibuzz is one of those Defoggers and in competitive play, people use Pokemon solely for their usefulness rather than their looks. That being said, Umbreon lacks that kind of support, which is why it has to go. If you don't want to use Mandibuzz, you can use something like Tentacruel or STarmie instead:

Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Acid Spray
-Sludge Bomb/Knock Off
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze

Starmie:
-Hydro Pump
-Psyshock/Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

or
-Scald
-Reflect Type
-Rapid Spin
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/20 Def/16 SDef/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

If you don't want to use HP Fire, Earthquake is a viable option with a Rash nature.

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If HP Fire is too much of a pain in the ass to breed for (which it is), you could just run Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Earthquake, and Sleep Powder/Growth.

I don't really see the point in running Acrobatics on Gliscor in the current meta. Gliscor makes for a great wall, and while it does have good options for attacks, it doesn't need most of them to succeed.

If you're not into Choice Band Scizor, you could run this set:

-Scizor w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP, 44 Attack, 212 Sp.Defense
Moves: Bullet Punch, Swords Dance, Roost, X-Scissor

Mega Scizor does it better because better stats, but regular Scizor was perfectly capable of doing this set itself before Gen 6.
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I like having the synchronize ability on my umbreon also. i feel a weak point of my team and most teams is status. and umbreon counters this pretty well. Synergy is my goal here...and would a curse umbreon be considered a special wall or physical wall if i invest ev's in sp def..how should i structure my gliscor based on this.. umbreon is also my alternative way of getting the sun up as i am not planning on running sunny day on venusaur and i could run defog on my scizor if need be.

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I like having the synchronize ability on my umbreon also. i feel a weak point of my team and most teams is status. and umbreon counters this pretty well. Synergy is my goal here...and would a curse umbreon be considered a special wall or physical wall if i invest ev's in sp def..how should i structure my gliscor based on this.. umbreon is also my alternative way of getting the sun up as i am not planning on running sunny day on venusaur and i could run defog on my scizor if need be.
I wouldn't use Curse Umbreon if I were you. It takes too much time and support to set up. If you're so afraid of status, why not use a Heal Bell or Aromatherapy user? A better special wall to turn to is Blissey:
-Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
-Heal Bell/Aromatherapy
-Soft-Boiled
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

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Umbreon is actually underated, its one of the better special walls imo. More overall bulk than Sylveon, less ****** than Chansey and support options out the wazoo, it also passes big wishes and you cant set up on it really with phys sweepers thanks to Foul Play. It also beats misc retarded sets like stall breaker Gengar. That being said, only use it on stall teams which is where is shines. On offensive minded teams like this it doesnt.
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