Thanks that was some of the best advice I've gotten (i've posted this on other forums). and i'm sorry but i hate mandibuzz, lol the way it looks.. and idk its just not my pokemon.. since i am pretty set on running umbreon do you think you could help me make the best out of it? i bred it with curse and a careful nature with max ivs in all but speed.. i felt on a sun team umbreon's moonlight would be a great asset.
I probably will be taking your nine tails advice with this set
-Substitute
-Pain Split/Calm Mind
-Flamethrower
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic/Roar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
I really don't want to lock my scizor into any moves :/
venusaur ... do i really have to go through the pain of breeding HP fire?? could i just run growth, giga drain, sunny day, sleep powder . or perhaps stun spore
My Gliscor . acrobatics? is that incase someone uses knockoff on me?.. i won't breed for defog which is why i had taunt.. so I'm thinking roost, acrobatics, earthquake, taunt.
Sun teams need Rapid Spin or Defog support to function. Mandibuzz is one of those Defoggers and in competitive play, people use Pokemon solely for their usefulness rather than their looks. That being said, Umbreon lacks that kind of support, which is why it has to go. If you don't want to use Mandibuzz, you can use something like Tentacruel or STarmie instead:
Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Acid Spray
-Sludge Bomb/Knock Off
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Starmie:
-Hydro Pump
-Psyshock/Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
or
-Scald
-Reflect Type
-Rapid Spin
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/20 Def/16 SDef/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
If you don't want to use HP Fire, Earthquake is a viable option with a Rash nature.