Originally Posted by
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
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I couldn't help but laugh at those stats...not of joy of course but a weeping laughter.
I know. How can an E4 member be less popular than a stupid Youngster? What is so deep and interesting about a kid who has NO characterization beyond "My Rattata is cool"?
Originally Posted by
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
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I would say Karen and what's his face are the forgettable E4 members of all games (Let me try to name all I know by name Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance, Karen, Sindey, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake, Aaron, Bertha, Flint, Lucian, Shauntel, Grimsey, Caitlin, Marshall, Malva...and that's it)
Karen, I think, is still remembered for her
famous quote. "What's His Face" is
Will, and yes, he's very forgettable (and rightly so, IMO).
On your list, the ones you missed are: Will,
Koga,
Siebold,
Wilkstrom, and
Drasna. Seeing as the last three are from the most RECENT Generation, that's pretty bad for their memorability.
Originally Posted by
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
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They should've had Green/Leaf appear in HgSs if you picked the male character and the Red appear if you pick the female character (same teams except maybe replace Espeon for Umbreon on Leaf's team).
I agree. That would've made the most sense.
Originally Posted by
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
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Well Leaf who appeared in Gen III is a recent character compared to Kris who appeared in Gen II.
Neither are recent, although Leaf, at least, wasn't retconned out by being replaced with
another character. It's obvious that Kris has to compete for attention with somebody else, and she's losing badly:
"Pokémon Lyra": 7,124 results on DeviantArt
Lyra Tag: 1,000 stories on FF.net
As for Lorelei...well she isn't as recent as Joey is either...plus she's likely overshadowed by the likes of Agatha and Lance.
If you ask me, I think it's a
certain other character that's mostly overshadowing her:
"Pokémon Cynthia": 4,709 results on DeviantArt
Cynthia Tag: 386 stories on FF.net
See, kids, that's what happens when A) you're a Champion, B) you're aggressively marketed as the ultimate Strong Female Role Model (often at the expense of other female characters), C) you appear in every single main series DS game, and D) you happen to be a conventionally-attractive blonde.
Just about every single female NPC has to compete with that, because neither GF or the fandom can give equal attention to more than one at a time (unless it's for degrading fanservice, of course). And, if you're stuck way back in the GBA era like poor Lorelei, you might as well not exist.
(Alas, it's probably not a coincidence that my original list is 100% female. -_-)
Originally Posted by
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
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I do find it sad how Lorelei and Agatha were shoved aside the way they were...
Same here. I don't know why they did it (although,
I have my suspicions with Lorelei), but it's one of the few things I hate about the Gen 2 games. They were good characters with a lot of potential, and GF has really screwed them over (especially Lorelei).
The really sad part about all of this is that we're unlikely to ever see either of them in the games ever again unless Gen 1 gets another remake. If GF was going to put them in other games, it would've already happened a long time ago.