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Started by Zeffy March 22nd, 2015 5:47 AM
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Hey everyone,

I wanted to know is Primal Groudon better than Primal Kyogre, or are they both equal? If one is better than the other, how is that so? Also, is Latios better than Latias, or are they pretty much identical and just have different uses? Thank you all for the insight and advice, it is greatly appreciated!!!!! :)

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Hey everyone,

I wanted to know is Primal Groudon better than Primal Kyogre, or are they both equal? If one is better than the other, how is that so? Also, is Latios better than Latias, or are they pretty much identical and just have different uses? Thank you all for the insight and advice, it is greatly appreciated!!!!! :)
Primal Groudon is the best Uber in OR/AS Ubers because it's a nice check/counter to threats like Xerneas, Palkia, and Kyogre. Why Kyogre? Because Desolate Land nullifies Primal Groudon's 4x weakness to Water, giving Primal Groudon a free switch to any predicted Water attacks. Primal Kyogre still has its uses, but it's easily checked by Primal Groudon because as already mentioned, it's immune to Water while Desolate Land is active; it's also immune to Electric, another type that offensive Kyogre normally carries. The best (Primal) Kyogre can do against Primal Groudon while Desolate Land is active is Ice Beam, but it won't OHKO.

The choice between the Latis depends on whether you want more power or more bulk. Latias has access to Healing Wish to give weakened attackers a second chance, while Latios has Memento to give setup sweepers an easier time.

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Primal Groudon is the best Uber in OR/AS Ubers because it's a nice check/counter to threats like Xerneas, Palkia, and Kyogre. Why Kyogre? Because Desolate Land nullifies Primal Groudon's 4x weakness to Water, giving Primal Groudon a free switch to any predicted Water attacks. Primal Kyogre still has its uses, but it's easily checked by Primal Groudon because as already mentioned, it's immune to Water while Desolate Land is active; it's also immune to Electric, another type that offensive Kyogre normally carries. The best (Primal) Kyogre can do against Primal Groudon while Desolate Land is active is Ice Beam, but it won't OHKO.

The choice between the Latis depends on whether you want more power or more bulk. Latias has access to Healing Wish to give weakened attackers a second chance, while Latios has Memento to give setup sweepers an easier time.
I understand and thanks for the info!!! So, I'm guessing Latios gives more power and Latias more bulk, or do I have it mixed up?

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I understand and thanks for the info!!! So, I'm guessing Latios gives more power and Latias more bulk, or do I have it mixed up?
That's correct, yes.

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I'm planning to make a Tank Mega Mawile or Swords Dance Mega Mawile. Mawile/Mega Mawile has only 50 on its Speed base stat. Does that mean it's alright to use a Mawile with 0 Speed Individual Value?
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Uxie is a defensive Pokemon, so Bold (or Relaxed if using both physical and special attacks, as well as using a slow U-turn if desired to get teammates in unscathed) is the preferred nature:
-Stealth Rock
-Psychic
-U-turn
-Thunder Wave/Yawn/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/200 Def/56 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Uxie can also run Calm Mind and dual screens effectively with a Timid nature, as it has decent Speed for a wall:
-Calm Mind
-Psyshock
-Signal Beam
-Giga Drain/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Memento
-Stealth Rock/U-turn
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay

Azelf is mainly an offensive/speedy support Pokemon, so Timid (if using special attacks), Jolly (if using physical attacks), or Naive (if using both physical and special attacks) are the natures to use:
-Stealth Rock
-Taunt
-Flamethrower/Knock Off
-Explosion
Nature: Naive/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash

or
-Nasty Plot
-Psyshock
-Fire Blast
-Dazzling Gleam/Taunt
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-U-turn/Explosion
-Taunt/Stealth Rock/Knock Off
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay

While Mesprit appears as a jack of all trades kind of Pokemon, Timid is generally the best nature to use. It faces competition from its other counterparts:
-Stealth Rock
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Healing Wish
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Colbur Berry
Ok, I understand. I am still having trouble making a decision for the natures for Azelf and Uxie though. From what I have read and your advice, it seems that jolly or naive would be the natures I'd want to use for Azelf but is special attack or special defense more important to Azelf and why? Also, which stat attack or speed would be more important for Uxie and why, with a bold or relaxed nature? Thank you!

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Ok, I understand. I am still having trouble making a decision for the natures for Azelf and Uxie though. From what I have read and your advice, it seems that jolly or naive would be the natures I'd want to use for Azelf but is special attack or special defense more important to Azelf and why? Also, which stat attack or speed would be more important for Uxie and why, with a bold or relaxed nature? Thank you!
Special Attack is more important to Azelf because it's more offensively-oriented. It can go the fast support route, though. If Uxie isn't using U-turn, Bold is the nature to use, but if said attack is being used, Relaxed is preferred to let Uxie move after most opponents so it can get a teammate in battle without it taking unnecessary damage (during a manual switch).

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Is there any good sets for a Breloom with Poison Heal ability?
Just the one:
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Superpower/Drain Punch
-Facade/Mach Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 12 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

SubPunch seems tempting, but this Breloom is pretty good at forcing switches as well.

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Special Attack is more important to Azelf because it's more offensively-oriented. It can go the fast support route, though. If Uxie isn't using U-turn, Bold is the nature to use, but if said attack is being used, Relaxed is preferred to let Uxie move after most opponents so it can get a teammate in battle without it taking unnecessary damage (during a manual switch).
Ok, I understand. So, do you think that Azelf can hold its' own with the Nasty Plot build despite its' low defense, or is it better for it to be a Suicide Lead considering its' low defense? Does the low defense cause Azelf to not last that long in competitive battling? Thank you!

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Ok, I understand. So, do you think that Azelf can hold its' own with the Nasty Plot build despite its' low defense, or is it better for it to be a Suicide Lead considering its' low defense? Does the low defense cause Azelf to not last that long in competitive battling? Thank you!
Nasty Plot Azelf is very frail, and gets worn down easily by LO recoil and entry hazards. If you're going for that route, I suggest keeping Azelf out of the battle until you know you can safely set up. Given its frailty, it probably only has 1 chance of setting up. I think most people would opt to use it as a dedicated lead or as a dual screens support, both of which it shines at doing.
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So I am thinking of Converting my Metagross to carry a Choice Band. I want Metagross to hit hard which I know its Mega form can do much better but I want to keep Mega Khan around mainly because of Parental Bond.

So as it stands

Metagross @ Metagrossite (switching to Choice Band)
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Protect

With this future set I would like suggestions on which movesets would be viable for metagross. Or If I should get Rid of Mega Khan. I want Metagross to be my heavy hitter and to beat as many pokes up as possible.
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So I am thinking of Converting my Metagross to carry a Choice Band. I want Metagross to hit hard which I know its Mega form can do much better but I want to keep Mega Khan around mainly because of Parental Bond.

So as it stands

Metagross @ Metagrossite (switching to Choice Band)
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Protect

With this future set I would like suggestions on which movesets would be viable for metagross. Or If I should get Rid of Mega Khan. I want Metagross to be my heavy hitter and to beat as many pokes up as possible.
Metagross is generally better in its Mega Evolution. It's better if you have both that and Mega Kangaskhan on the team so you can pick the right Mega depending on the matchup:
-Meteor Mash/Iron Head
-Zen Headbutt
-Bullet Punch/Ice Punch/Substitute
-Protect
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body

If you still don't want Mega Metagross, Lum Berry or Assault Vest should be the alternative items. Choice Band isn't worth it on Metagross.

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Some of the sets work in Singles too.
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Salamence is probably the best overall Dragon that isn't Uber, or Mega Charizard (But that doesn't really count). Dragonite is also really good because its bulk especially with Multi-scale is ridiculous. Hydreigon is good too.. I like to run a mixed set with Draco Meteor, Superpower, Dark Pulse and Fire Blast with Life Orb.

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nice thx guys. i'll see how well altaria goes. any advice on a good moveset with dragondance?
Dragon Dance Mega Altaria comes in two flavors: offensive and bulky. The former can get away with a boost or two before it gets going, while the latter can use its bulk investment and good defensive typing to set up more before attacking:
-Dragon Dance
-Return
-Earthquake
-Roost/Fire Blast
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Altarianite

or
-Dragon Dance
-Return
-Earthquake/Heal Bell/Substitute
-Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/136 Def/96 SDef/28 Spe
Item: Altarianite

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You can also try Calm Mind Latios if you want to wallbreak.
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Hey everyone,

What is the best nature for Rayquaza/Mega Rayquaza and Swampert and why? I heard for Rayquaza/Mega Rayquaza it is either jolly or adamant and for Swampert it is jolly, adamant, or relaxed is this true? Thank you!!! :)
For mixed (Mega) Rayquaza, Naive should be the nature, as it doesn't hinder either offensive stat. For physical Rayquaza, it should be Jolly:
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Ascent
-Extreme Speed/Earthquake
-Fire Blast/Earthquake
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk/40 SAtk/216 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Ascent
-Earthquake
-Extreme Speed/Dragon Dance
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Mega Swampert is more useful than regular Swampert, IMO, but only on rain teams. Adamant should be the nature, as Swift Swim will boost its Speed under rain anyway:
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Superpower/Low Kick/Rain Dance
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Swampertite

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For mixed (Mega) Rayquaza, Naive should be the nature, as it doesn't hinder either offensive stat. For physical Rayquaza, it should be Jolly:
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Ascent
-Extreme Speed/Earthquake
-Fire Blast/Earthquake
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk/40 SAtk/216 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Ascent
-Earthquake
-Extreme Speed/Dragon Dance
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Mega Swampert is more useful than regular Swampert, IMO, but only on rain teams. Adamant should be the nature, as Swift Swim will boost its Speed under rain anyway:
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Superpower/Low Kick/Rain Dance
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Swampertite
Ok, I understand. So, do you recommend Naive for Mega Rayquaza over Adamant and Jolly? Why is that so? Thank you!

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Ok, I understand. So, do you recommend Naive for Mega Rayquaza over Adamant and Jolly? Why is that so? Thank you!
Mega Rayquaza has good Speed, so +Speed-boosting natures are better for sweepers.

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Hey everyone,

I was wondering, if the nature of Mesprit is first set in Platinum, when you first see it in the cave and press A and it runs away, or when you first meet it in battle? Thank you!!! :)
All of Mesprit's stats are set when it's sent running in Verity Cavern