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Multiscale/Shadow Shield/Focus Sash are all uncommon things, and are broken by Stealth Rock anyway. And the 90% accuracy will come and bite you in the ass eventually, and probably more than you want. So the usefulness is not quite as much as one would like/might think.

What it may possibly be good for though is vs Substitute, which is a much more common thing that isn't negated by SR.
To add to the above, Mold Breaker ignores Sturdy and Multiscale during attacks, making Dual Chop even more unnecessary, except to bypass Sub users. I'd rather have Outrage for the extra power or Dragon Claw for a 100% accurate STAB.

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i have a shiny mkinior 6 iv could you plis help me figure out a Double VGC2017 moveset for him?
Minior is rather one dimensional, but it's rather good at what it does (Shell Smash). But you're going to need Rage Powder/Follow Me/Wide Guard support for this, as Minior has rather exploitable weaknesses:
-Shell Smash
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Acrobatics
-Protect
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe (this outspeeds Tapu Koko after a Shell Smash in meteor form)
Item: White Herb

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Minior is rather one dimensional, but it's rather good at what it does (Shell Smash). But you're going to need Rage Powder/Follow Me/Wide Guard support for this, as Minior has rather exploitable weaknesses:
-Shell Smash
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Acrobatics
-Protect
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe (this outspeeds Tapu Koko after a Shell Smash in meteor form)
Item: White Herb
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So I just caught a shiny Eevee and planned to evolve it into Flareon, until I changed my mind and decided that it looks pretty lame. It's calm nature, 4IVs (missing attack and special defense) but that can be Hyper Trained, so I'm just wondering what is best to evolve it into - I'm guessing Umbreon but I'd probably rather not.
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Umbreon is the best evolved form of a Calm Eevee. Vaporeon comes in close. Flareon doesn't benefit from a Calm nature at all.
I know Flareon doesn't benefit, and also looks kinda lame which is why I asked the question. I'm thinking maybe Vaporeon though, it looks pretty cool and could probably be competitive?
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I chained a shiny eevee yesterday and it's got some great IVs. It's lonely nature with guts so I presumed if I was going to get any use out of it then a flareon was the way to go.

Any suggestions?

I'm thinking toxic orb, flare blitz and overheat.
No idea on EVs and the other moves, any suggestions on other moves and EVs to get the most out of this mon?

Thanks
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I chained a shiny eevee yesterday and it's got some great IVs. It's lonely nature with guts so I presumed if I was going to get any use out of it then a flareon was the way to go.

Any suggestions?

I'm thinking toxic orb, flare blitz and overheat.
No idea on EVs and the other moves, any suggestions on other moves and EVs to get the most out of this mon?

Thanks
I don't think Overheat is worth it. Flash Fire is also preferred over Guts since Flareon has piss poor HP, but I guess Guts is ok? It's just that Flash Fire just gives you an immunity against Fire-type moves, and immunities are always a good thing. You definitely don't want to abuse Guts by self-inflicting a status effect though, Flare Blitz recoil + toxic damage will make you lose like half your HP on turn 1. Most Flareons I've seen runs Flare Blitz, Superpower, and Quick Attack. I think they look like this:

Flareon @ Choice Band
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Attack / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Quick Attack
- Baton Pass

Of course in your case, Flash Fire -> Guts and Adamant -> Lonely, but everything else should still hold.

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I don't think Overheat is worth it. Flash Fire is also preferred over Guts since Flareon has piss poor HP, but I guess Guts is ok? It's just that Flash Fire just gives you an immunity against Fire-type moves, and immunities are always a good thing. You definitely don't want to abuse Guts by self-inflicting a status effect though, Flare Blitz recoil + toxic damage will make you lose like half your HP on turn 1. Most Flareons I've seen runs Flare Blitz, Superpower, and Quick Attack. I think they look like this:

Flareon @ Choice Band
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Attack / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Quick Attack
- Baton Pass

Of course in your case, Flash Fire -> Guts and Adamant -> Lonely, but everything else should still hold.

I appreciate the detailed response, however as it's a shiny, my plan was to get the most out of the cards this eevee had already been dealt.

Looking for moveset suggestions that will use the guts and lonely nature to full effect, unfortunately I won't be able to use the optimal Mon you have posted.
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Looking for moveset suggestions that will use the guts and lonely nature to full effect, unfortunately I won't be able to use the optimal Mon you have posted.
What's stopping you from using the set above? Like I said, Flareon is too frail to abuse Guts by self-inflicting a status condition, added with the fact that it has a -def nature. You can always switch Flareon into a predictable Toxic, and abuse Guts from there.
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I'm working on my Battle Tree team and am currently encountering a slight coverage problem.

My team
Kommo-o @ Muscle Band (doing what I can with what I have)
Sky Uppercut
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Sword Dance
EV: a little on attack and Sp Def, most on defence
Kommo-o serves as a bulky main fighter. I gave him some attack EVs so he can 1HKO more consistently.

Pheromosa @Focus Sash
Jump Kick
U-Turn
Poison Jab (to deal with Fairies)
Ice beam or Bug Buzz
EV: Most in Speed some in attack so Attack is Beast Boosted
My revenge killer. The goal is to 1HKO pretty much everything it can.

Tapu Fini @Leftovers
Nature's Madness
Surf
Moonblast
Hydro Pump (thinking of swapping it for Shadow Ball)

Now I'm facing a bit of a pickle against Fairies, as Tapu Fini's offensive power is rather lackluster and I'd rather not depend on Phero's poison jab. I could teach Tapu Fini Smart Strike (which would also help against Double Team spammers), but the damage is gonna suck pretty bad.
My other option is to swap Tapu for an offensive Toxapex (@Merciless. Surf, Baneful Bunker, Recover, Toxic/ Venoshock) or Pheromosa for a Kartana (if I can get him speedy enough to outspeed pretty much everything)

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I'm working on my Battle Tree team and am currently encountering a slight coverage problem.

My team
Kommo-o @ Muscle Band (doing what I can with what I have)
Sky Uppercut
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Sword Dance
EV: a little on attack and Sp Def, most on defence
Kommo-o serves as a bulky main fighter. I gave him some attack EVs so he can 1HKO more consistently.

Pheromosa @Focus Sash
Jump Kick
U-Turn
Poison Jab (to deal with Fairies)
Ice beam or Bug Buzz
EV: Most in Speed some in attack so Attack is Beast Boosted
My revenge killer. The goal is to 1HKO pretty much everything it can.

Tapu Fini @Leftovers
Nature's Madness
Surf
Moonblast
Hydro Pump (thinking of swapping it for Shadow Ball)

Now I'm facing a bit of a pickle against Fairies, as Tapu Fini's offensive power is rather lackluster and I'd rather not depend on Phero's poison jab. I could teach Tapu Fini Smart Strike (which would also help against Double Team spammers), but the damage is gonna suck pretty bad.
My other option is to swap Tapu for an offensive Toxapex (@Merciless. Surf, Baneful Bunker, Recover, Toxic/ Venoshock) or Pheromosa for a Kartana (if I can get him speedy enough to outspeed pretty much everything)
While I agree with swapping Tapu Fini out, Toxapex doesn't have what it takes to be an offensive mon. It's excellent as a defensive one tho. You could make use of one of the other Tapus, or if you want something more anti-Fairy, use Celesteela/Kartana.
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Can anyone recommend a moveset for this Sandslash-A?

Sandslash-A @ Life Orb
Ability: Slush Rush
Nature: Adamant
Effort: 252 Atk / 36 Def / 220 Spd (Lv. 100: 291/328/285/77/166/221)

Currently it has:
Icicle Spear
Iron Head
Rapid Spin
Swords Dance

I was going to add Stone Edge and/or Earthquake. Is Aerial Ace worth considering? And is Iron Head worth keeping? Both this move and Rapid Spin cannot be relearned by Sandslash, so I want to be sure before removing them.

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Can anyone recommend a moveset for this Sandslash-A?

Sandslash-A @ Life Orb
Ability: Slush Rush
Nature: Adamant
Effort: 252 Atk / 36 Def / 220 Spd (Lv. 100: 291/328/285/77/166/221)

Currently it has:
Icicle Spear
Iron Head
Rapid Spin
Swords Dance

I was going to add Stone Edge and/or Earthquake. Is Aerial Ace worth considering? And is Iron Head worth keeping? Both this move and Rapid Spin cannot be relearned by Sandslash, so I want to be sure before removing them.
You might as well go max Attack/max Speed Jolly, as Sandslash needs all the Speed it can get under hail. Iron Head is worth keeping as it's one of Sandslash's STABs. I don't think Sandslash has room for Rapid Spin, as it really needs Earthquake to hit opposing Steel Pokemon. Stone Edge is redundant with Sandslash's Ice STAB. Speaking of Ice STAB, Icicle Crash > Icicle Spear because it has a consistent damage output. Tl;dr:
-Swords Dance
-Icicle Crash
-Iron Head
-Earthquake
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Slush Rush

I'm working on my Battle Tree team and am currently encountering a slight coverage problem.

My team
Kommo-o @ Muscle Band (doing what I can with what I have)
Sky Uppercut
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Sword Dance
EV: a little on attack and Sp Def, most on defence
Kommo-o serves as a bulky main fighter. I gave him some attack EVs so he can 1HKO more consistently.

Pheromosa @Focus Sash
Jump Kick
U-Turn
Poison Jab (to deal with Fairies)
Ice beam or Bug Buzz
EV: Most in Speed some in attack so Attack is Beast Boosted
My revenge killer. The goal is to 1HKO pretty much everything it can.

Tapu Fini @Leftovers
Nature's Madness
Surf
Moonblast
Hydro Pump (thinking of swapping it for Shadow Ball)

Now I'm facing a bit of a pickle against Fairies, as Tapu Fini's offensive power is rather lackluster and I'd rather not depend on Phero's poison jab. I could teach Tapu Fini Smart Strike (which would also help against Double Team spammers), but the damage is gonna suck pretty bad.
My other option is to swap Tapu for an offensive Toxapex (@Merciless. Surf, Baneful Bunker, Recover, Toxic/ Venoshock) or Pheromosa for a Kartana (if I can get him speedy enough to outspeed pretty much everything)
While I agree with swapping Tapu Fini out, Toxapex doesn't have what it takes to be an offensive mon. It's excellent as a defensive one tho. You could make use of one of the other Tapus, or if you want something more anti-Fairy, use Celesteela/Kartana.
I don't think Earthquake is that useful on Kommo-o, as it's redundant with its Fighting STAB. Switch it for Poison Jab. Replace Dragon Claw with Outrage, as Kommo-o already has Sky Uppercut as a consistent STAB and change its item to Lum Berry, if you can get it.

Tapu Fini's Attack is just too weak for it to use Smart Strike. As Nah mentioned, you're better off using Celesteela or Kartana as Fairy killers, as they have STAB on their anti-Fairy attacks:

Celesteela:
-Heavy Slam
-Flamethrower/Earthquake
-Leech Seed
-Protect
Nature: Sassy/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Sitrus Berry

or
-Autotomize
-Flash Cannon
-Air Slash
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Weakness Policy

or
-Autotomize
-Heavy Slam
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Weakness Policy

Kartana:
-Leaf Blade
-Smart Strike
-Sacred Sword
-Swords Dance/Night Slash
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Steelium Z/Fightinium Z/Focus Sash/Choice Scarf

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I bred a 5 perfect IV Nosepass (imperfect IV being attack) and I want to make her into a Probopass that fulfils the role of a wall. However, I'm not quite sure what would be the best EV spread and moveset is for a Probopass.

I plan to so a spread that relates to HP, defense and special defense, but don't know what an ideal spread would be for nosepass.

I already have stealth rock and am going to teach thunder wave to her, but I'm not sure on what other moves to use.

Any recommendations of EV spreads and moves that can suit a wall probopass?
This is the set you should use for Probopass. Tbh, it's not that good compared to its fellow Steel Pokemon because Rock/Steel makes it 4x weak to 2 common types (Fighting, Ground), but w/e:
-Stealth Rock
-Power Gem/Flash Cannon
-Volt Switch
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/172 SDef/84 Spe (outspeeds 0 Speed base 50s)
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

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I have been very curious about Mudsdale...
What tier is it & what are good movesets for it?
It's tiered in UU (or below) for now. It's not good enough in OU because of its shallow offensive move pool and lack of recovery outside of Rest. I don't know any good Mudsdale sets commonly run, but start with any of these:
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide/Heavy Slam/Roar
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Stamina

or
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Heavy Slam
-Close Combat/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Stamina

To be honest, Hippowdon, Therian Landorus, Garchomp, Gliscor, and Zygarde (and Gastrodon to a lesser extent) outclass Mudsdale as a bulky Ground Pokemon.

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It's tiered in UU (or below) for now. It's not good enough in OU because of its shallow offensive move pool and lack of recovery outside of Rest. I don't know any good Mudsdale sets commonly run, but start with any of these:
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide/Heavy Slam/Roar
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Stamina

or
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Heavy Slam
-Close Combat/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Stamina

To be honest, Hippowdon, Therian Landorus, Garchomp, Gliscor, and Zygarde (and Gastrodon to a lesser extent) outclass Mudsdale as a bulky Ground Pokemon.
Tch...
Had a feeling that it would be UU...
Thanks for replying!

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Does anyone think Non Mega Khan will be useful this year?
Its mega evolution was the only reason it literally ever saw any use at all, so I find it highly unlikely regular Kangaskhan will suddenly become useful.
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Its mega evolution was the only reason it literally ever saw any use at all, so I find it highly unlikely regular Kangaskhan will suddenly become useful.
I am looking for a 6 member and the z item likely Would Snorlax be suitable
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I am looking for a 6 member and the z item likely Would Snorlax be suitable
I don't think so. Even if you're thinking about using Pulverizing Pancake on it, don't, since you have to spend a moveslot on Giga Impact, a subpar attack in general. If you're looking for some viable Z move users, there are Tapu Bulu (Grass), Arcanine (Fire), and Garchomp (Ground):

Tapu Bulu:
-Wood Hammer
-Horn Leech
-Superpower/Taunt
-Protect
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/192 Atk/4 Def/36 SDef/20 Spe
Item: Grassier Z

Arcanine:
-Flamethrower/Overheat/Burn Up
-Snarl
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roar/Protect/Helping Hand/Morning Sun
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/100 SDef/156 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry/Firium Z/Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Flare Blitz
-Wild Charge
-Extreme Speed
-Protect/Close Combat/Crunch
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Firium Z/Life Orb/Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate

Garchomp:
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide/Poison Jab
-Protect
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Groundium Z/Focus Sash

If you're looking for a bulky Normal, just use Porygon2 because it's very bulky with Eviolite and still hits decently hard:
-Trick Room
-Tri Attack/Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam/Shadow Ball/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Quiet
EVs: 252 HP/156 SAtk/100 SDef
Item: Eviolite

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How can a Meteor Form Minior outspeed a Carracosta whose Speed was raised by two stages due to Shell Smash? Is this only possible if the Minior was scarfed? This happened to me in Battle Spot and I'm slightly confused as to why.

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How can a Meteor Form Minior outspeed a Carracosta whose Speed was raised by two stages due to Shell Smash? Is this only possible if the Minior was scarfed? This happened to me in Battle Spot and I'm slightly confused as to why.
Did Minior use its own Shell Smash on a previous turn? Does your Carracosta run no Speed EVs whatsoever? (not recommended because Carracosta needs all the Speed it can get on Shell Smashs sets)