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No much of a differnce to the standred curselax, but awsome power w/ cursed up hyper beam Swicth after Hyper beam
U can't switch during the skipped turn + that would result in lost curses.
If ur desperate maybe..
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Theres no way to aviod not getting hit after a Hyper Beam or Hyper Beam-like attack. You attack, they switch in something and are all over you with two hits... =|.
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Old March 30th, 2005 (2:02 PM).
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^ there you go.
The venasaur which is doing me some good
Venasaur[sassy]@leftovers
EVs - hp,Att,SpDef,SpAtt
earthquake
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frenzy plant

.......again this would only work so long as ppl don't expect frenzy plant[and when they know u have it they think ur a newbie]
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Well, I didn't mean for you to throw the Beam out into the open.

The idea is to play along, using the other moves, and eventually use the Beam when it's the right time, the extra power will help you out.

Spike, we know things can get over the top of you if you use the Beam, at the wrong time..
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Well, I didn't mean for you to throw the Beam out into the open.

The idea is to play along, using the other moves, and eventually use the Beam when it's the right time, the extra power will help you out.

Spike, we know things can get over the top of you if you use the Beam, at the wrong time..
Were are you trying to go with the whole beam thing? We all know there useless if something with resist is hit by them. There is no "right time" to use them because most people know that Zard (not really Blastoise or Vena, since that often stall) will try and get you with a STABed attack so they will send out something that can handle a Flametrower, see that you are using Blast Burn and just pwn you silly =|. As for Hyper Beam, it could probably KO something, but then another Pokemon will come out and KO you after.

Example: Lax Hyper Beams, something faints, Cham comes out and Focus Punches you're trapped Lax =|.
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People will not see it coming.

Spike, te idea is to perhaps use it as a final move, much like Explosion, I understand you can get your entire team owned if you use it at the wrong time, that's why it's best to strategically place the move in battle.

Once you know the opponents team, you could destroy things that resist and then you are home free.
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i thinkthe beams are horribly underrated. nobody wants to skip turns, but this isn't like solar beam where you have to charge before you attack. the fact is that they're the most powerful elemental attacks, and therefore are the best at finishing off opponents. i think that's always been the way to go.

question though(since i haven't no where near getting frenzy plant in my game - which probably hurts my credibility) if you finish an opponent using frenzy plant, do you still have to recharge for 1 round? because in the RBY if you finish an opponent with hyperbeam you don't have to wait to recharge, but start fresh when the opponent brings in a new pokemon.
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If u kill with a beam, u hav the option of switching, unless battle style is on set.

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You have to charge no matter what unless you finish the entire battle.

Jason are you talking about the GBA?
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You have to charge no matter what unless you finish the entire battle.
i think that may be why people don't like it. i still don't like the idea of having a venasaur with movset of sbomb, sleep powder, leechseed, and earthquake though. it's a "tweener" rather than a true grass type. i just don't like it.
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Well, with Sleep Powder and Leech Seed to assist it, Venusaur CAN execute Frenzy Plants, as long as you know the opponents team, and destroy anything that resists, you ARE going to kill something.

Just make sure that you have got rid of anything that resists, apart from that not a whole lot of pokemon can stand up to the beams.
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Jason man, include some stuff on topic in your posts :P

What do you think of Frenzysaur?
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Venasaur use Sleep Powder, random Pokemon falls asleep. Opponent switches out because there Pokemon cannot attack anymore. Unless you are a complete nub with no sleep clause you put one Pokemon to sleep, something like Meta comes out that you cannot Frenzy Plant or Sludge Bomb, it Agilities while you switch up you're Pokemon.
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But the same goes for Razor Leaf.

'Saur would Sleep Powder something.
They would switch.
You'd Leech Seed Metagross or whoever.
They either Agility or switch. You would switch to another tank and either receive a pseudo-passed Leech Seed, or, if they switched as well, nothing's happened but one of their Pokémon's now asleep.

I never said there was any reason to use Blast Burn or Hydro Cannon; I just said that Frenzy Plant/Hyper Beam on Slaking can be of use with good planning/prediction. Both Venusaur and Slaking are good sponges, so they should be able to handle the recharge turn, and benefit from the fact that Hyper Beam+Recharge/Frenzy Plant+Recharge do more than Return+Loaf/Razor Leaf+Razor Leaf. This is why Leftovers+Leech Seed are a must on the FP Venusaur, since they help you out on the recharge.
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You have to charge no matter what unless you finish the entire battle.
I tried Frenzy Plant (I thought, it can't be THAT bad...?), and whenever I used it in the E4 and KO'ed a Pokémon, I didn't need to recharge. Sometimes I even used it two times in a row... ^^

I'm playing the GBA version.
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Spike, not every single person uses Metagross man.

G-Klav, thanks for clearing that up :P, but on Netbattle, you recharge no matter what.
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Spike, not every single person uses Metagross man.

G-Klav, thanks for clearing that up :P, but on Netbattle, you recharge no matter what.
Metagross
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Do I have to give you a complete list of Pokemon that have resistance to grass?
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Dont start these arguements again. We all know there is no 1 ultimate pokemon that can do everything. Its all about prediction. If you predict a good time to use FP then good for you. If you stuff it up then too bad. Dont nit pick dammit.
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Dont start these arguements again. We all know there is no 1 ultimate pokemon that can do everything. Its all about prediction. If you predict a good time to use FP then good for you. If you stuff it up then too bad. Dont nit pick dammit.
Its not all about prediction, otherwise there is no point because all the teams would be the same trying to predict a switch etc. You have to know what you are doing and how to use the Pokemon you have one you're team. Honestly, prediction is nothing without skill, knowledge and quick thinking.
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If you play without predicting you lose.

Spike, I like how you keep record of battles that happened months ago that's really cool man, too cool. >_>

Prediction is the key to competitive battling, your skill using the pokemon means nothing, the pokemon isn't real, it's up to you what move you decide to use, and it's upto you if you decide to predict.

Also, you don't need quick thinking, last I remember Shady changed the battle timeout to 3 minutes, I don't think we need that long between moves so we can basically take our time.
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No one is arguing with you about that. If you actually read my post, you can see that I said "...prediction is nothing without..."

Lion Heart, did you just become a stupid? Or where you born that way? Read my signature and you will see why they are listed there. And you shouldn't even be talking if you honetly think HP Fire Magneton is for Skarmory, lol!

You know, thats really funny. You lost to my Ninmaldo team because you did that very same thing, trying to overprediction with little or no skill. You where bad back then and seeing how I never see you on anymore, you probably still are.

Taking you're time to me is the same thing is stalling, if you knew how to think fast the battle is over faster without wasting 15 mins battling some nub. I'm not like you, looking at all my options in battle and thinking slow, I know my teams movesets already and I know what to send out. But hey, that how you play and lose.

If Arcanine is out and so is my Ninjask, abviously I take no chances and send out my Salamence. I'm not gonna take a risk and have it get hit Extremespeed, and by switching, 99.9 percent of the time D-dance safely and if the Arcanine does have Extremespeed I know without loseing it. The way you talk its like you think your opponent will predict you and Howl while you Baton Pass...


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Don't try to start a war.

I know why you have them listed there it's just funny.. You should date them so people don't think it just happened yesterday.

I suggested Skarmory as a joke about that, you took it all serious and put it in your sig a while ago, funny.

I don't even remember the battle against you, and I'm usually on Netbattle, as Lion Heart now, not Game Over.
I've tried to hunt you down but you are never on :/

If you played properly, you would analyse your options in battle, unless you tend to only battle new players.

And just how do you know that Arcanine doesn't have HP Ice?
Special Arc's do exist y'know.
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I don't start wars, I finish them (wonder where I heard that from... Oh well.)

1500 character limit doesn't give me space to do all that, and what kind of mindless person thinks that I won all of those in one day... only 3 are old, and thats because I havn't battled anyone else on this boared that I know of (maybe there all scared, lol!). The first 3 or 4 are old GSC, but those people are serious battlers who make little or no mistakes, I just happened to win that time. But Lugia schooled me in out first battle...

Jokes usually end with "joking, j/k, kidding, lol". You didn't even say a thing after...

How could you not remember? You where acting like a nub around me, Frost and Lugia, so I decided I would teach you a lesson for mouthing off. Frost will probably remember, I dunno if the topic is still around but I will look if you want. And I rarely go to Smogon (chaos is a jack***), so you can find me on the second highest English server.

I can remember my opponents moveset and predict his movements aftewards very quickly. The only person I have trouble predicting is aDORKable, he will do some unstandard stuff in battle that catches me off gaurd. So far, since GSC I havn't beaten him 5 out of 20 or so battles =|...

Wasting HP just to KO one Pokemon is a big was of time, thats basic.
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No, HP Ice on Arcy can stop more than just Salamence.

Get on Smogon and battle some real players.
 

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