punk discussion (a different kind)

Started by jasonresno March 30th, 2005 12:03 PM
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jasonresno

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OK, a majority of the people on this forum like punk music (or their own version of it), and every punk thread thus far has resulted in flame wars and has been locked. Let's take a change of pace, and let real punk fans enjoy some good old conversation, the second this turns to flames I'm going to request it closed.

So let's get started off, what is punk? To me everyone has a different view on punk. Some people think it is punk to dress a certain way, thats fine, I don't agree with it but they are their own people.

Some people think punk is to listen to a certain type of music and be a rebel, that is fine too.

Some people think punk is hating the government, which isn't always accurate but I guess what ever floats your boat.

I think the most far out and coolest definition of punk I've heard is "punk is not making rules for yourself", any real fan will know who said this ;).

Lately I've noticed (past four or five years) that punk is slowly beginning to change, for the worse. Before Punk was huge in the '80s, and as we started changing (our personalities) punk changed too. Now there are hundreds of mini categories:

Pop Punk
Emo Punk
Punk Rock
and I've even heard SKA punk. (that one still eludes me)

My question is this: Does being a different form of Punk make you any less punk? if you sing about getting dumped, hating the government, and smoking weed but still hold onto your punk values, are you now "pop" or "emo"?

The last thing I'm going to leave you is a question I ask myself all the time:

Do the fans (teenies especially) make the band any less punk?
And what is your definition of punk?

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Im not punk, Im a bunny...and don't blame me for that ska punk thingy..My brother was explaining it to me the other day..I was so dazzled..but yeh..everything goes with him...and anything I love my 'OMG11!!1' great music sence *hugs it*

Im right..and I love it

and...

Im immature


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My definition of punk is just being yourself, no shame or boundaries. Anything is possible. Just BE YOURSELF. And what you call 'teenie' fans don't make, say, Good Charlotte or Simple Plan any less punk. Be careful before this turns into a flame war. ~origin
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jasonresno

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I'm not going to make this a flame war, just certain people (>_>) will try to. Thanks for the response.

A hypothetical question:
What if the Ramones (back in their hayday) were suddenly liked by a million 13 year olds who claimed they were all "hott", would this make them any less punk?

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That wouldn't happen though, Because the Ramones are to good, and would never sell out like Greenday did...*sigh*
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jasonresno

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Selling out isn't the matter (which green day didn't do BTW, I highly doubt you know what selling out means). It doesn't matter what the Ramones would do, what if a billion teeny boppers thought they were hot and clamored on them. Would that make them less punk? And to continue, its not the Ramones decision if teenys like them. Discuss, but don't spam, I'll report.

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I'm not going to make this a flame war, just certain people (>_>) will try to. Thanks for the response.

A hypothetical question:
What if the Ramones (back in their hayday) were suddenly liked by a million 13 year olds who claimed they were all "hott", would this make them any less punk?
I have no clue how that would make them any less punk. Unless having 1 million teens calling them hot makes the Ramones less 'against the rules'. Did that make sense? XD

Anyways, when someone is Punk, they go wild. They're like the badass highschool kids in those movies from the 80's XD

I guess I'm pretty Punk-ish. But I'm going more torwards gothic o.O

jasonresno

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I haven't but your signature pic is hilarious.

And Sora the reason I state this, is because it is prevalent in music today. The instant a certain group (teenies for example) take an insane liking to something (mcr, green day, etc) it becomes uncool/unpunk etc. Just wondering.

I'll look up the F-Ups

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What is punk to me? Punk is not caring what people think, and being devoted to punk music. It can include anarchy and such, but they are totally separate beliefs, and are not required to a person being a punk. I think the "teenies" do ruin the music sometimes, but not really. What I mean is, preppies in my school attempt so sing punk music and such, and that can really ruin the image and what people think of punk. This makes outsiders of the punk image believe that punk is singing the newest song out there, and it's not. But, these "teenies" are not really ruining the music, they are simply making us laugh at them for being posers.
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Shana

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Good post, thanks.
Anytime. Anything for a fellow punk. ^_~
My heart's a graveyard, baby.
And to evil we make love
on our passion's killing floor.
In my arms you won't sleep safely.
And of lust we are re-born
on our passion's killing floor.
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Heh...My views...Based off of what I have learned from existing!

I will give you an example:
My friend was heavy into punk music, since this was the first taste of "real music" that he had gotten. He went from listening to Blink~182 and Simple Plan to listening to Anti~Flag and The Casualties. For a while his favorite band was The Distillers, and then he heard Marilyn Manson at my house.
After this, he got into Manson, Cradle of Filth and all of that good stuff.
What does this mean?
Well, I believe that the gothic/industrial culture is about the music...the art. It`s not about being depressed and wanting to die (trust me, it`s far from...and anyone who thinks that`s what gothicism is needs to get smacked by Dani Filth).

Now, seeing as how "goth" was originally a sub~catagory for "punk," I`m thinking they would still have some of the same beliefs.
Whereas when my friend was into punk music for that time period (which was around a year), he would shred up the American flag and all that good stuff.
However, shredding the American flag does not make you punk. I cut one up and wrote "F*c* You!" on it, and I don`t really consider myself punk.
I suppose that punk is about the music, much as gothic/industrial is. Sure, they dress a certain way, but I know far less about punk than I do about Goth. Goths don`t always wear black, some wear all white, some wear dark blues/greens...but generally shy away from pastels.
It might be the same for punks, but I can`t really say all too well, concidering most of the punks around here hate me, for whatever reason.

Ah, that brings me to another point. How is it that one is a poser if they listen to The Casualties, yet they aren`t really "punk?"
It`s like someone who isn`t "goth" listening to Marilyn Manson. That doesn`t make them a poser. It`s taste in music.

Plenty of people don`t agree with the government, and all of that...yes, but does this really make them punk?
I saw a movie: SLC Punk, because my friend wanted me to watch it. I really did think it was a good movie. It gave me somewhat of a better understanding of the punk~ish set, and is now sitting on the table across from me.
If you really want to know what all of this here that I have just typed means, go watch that movie. It explains it much better than I can...

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Unfortunately for me, and scarily enough, I was only introduced to punk about...o_O 5 months ago..and I wasn't 100% aware what it was anyways...

If you want the truth, I can't really explain it. But I had a discussion with my teacher about it (trust me, she's amazing o_o). I told her I thought punk could be considered music which is all about pain, hate, and suffering. (See, I picked up that concept from Simple Plan lyrics...I guess it doesn't work for all punk bands though). Then she said something interesting...She said something like this:

"That's more along the lines of Blues music...Punk Music, however, could be considered music which could be about pain, but it's saying how life is better with that pain." (No, she isn't calling Punk Rockers masochists oO)

I think I sort of get what she's saying, and it can work in certain situations...and this could work for Boulevard of Broken Dreams, due to the "I walk alone" lyrics, but my conclusion is- it really all depends on how you read and understand the lyrics. As some of you know, the album American Idiot is actually a so-called "Punk-Opera". People have had many different opinions on the exact storyline, but they all basically have the same Plot Outline, with a few variations-

A teenage kid who lives in a broken home decides to run, because he's tired of it all. At this point, some think he actually becomes Saint Jimmy, the "Prophet of the Alleyways" or meets him on the streets. Either way, he is introduced to drugs, and to a girl (her name is Whatsername- yeah, very random.) She leaves him, and eventually he decides to go home, but he never forgets the experiences he had on the streets...You can really only get that if you have the whole CD. If you only heard Boulevard of Broken Dreams, you could get a whole different understanding of the song.

So clearly, Punk Rock uses tons of metaphors in it's songs, and they usually describe actual life things, and how the people who wrote the songs usually disagree with what's going on (From what I've seen nowadays, it's usually about the Government...couldn't guess why XD)


o.o Okay I'll shutup now...XD *walks off*

~Eli
P.S I know this doesn't make sense, XD I'm going edit it and make it look more like an essay during class (XD)
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Ah, see...I`ve not yet actually bought that CD. I`ve been meaning to, but I keep buying something else...I kinda do wanna buy it though. I suppose next time I go to Sam Goody I will. Wait, that`s tomorrow. Sweet...

Oh, rambling...sorry.

Actually, about the metaphore thing...that is somewhat true, I suppose. I use in my main example The Ramones "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," and anyone who has heard that knows what I mean. Also "Beat On The Brat," might be a good example, too. My interperitation of BOTB is that it`s mostly about rich (meaning spoiled) people...however, the whole song is:
"Beat on the brat,
Beat on the brat,
Beat on the brat with the baseball bat."

Other songs, such as "Made In NYC," by The Casualties, lack metaphores:
"Gaba gaba hey,
Punk is here to stay,
Hey ho, lets go,
Sniffing glue all day."
I`m not sure that this is really a good example, since that song is mainly a tribute to The Ramones (even if you really can`t understand most of what the guy is saying).

Something else I thought of:
The bands that truely are not punk rock, but people call them punk anyway. I mean cKy and AFI.
I really don`t find AFI all that punk, nor do I find cKy to be punk. This is different than Good Charlotte or something being called "not punk," because the same guys that don`t like Good Charlotte listen to ckY.
So, does this mean that if someone who is considered a "punker" listens to something...it is then punk?
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Yes. Punk is dead.
That`s why there are punks walking around, right?
Logically, something is only dead when people no longer pay any attention to it`s existence, and apparently people still pay attention to punk.

Some dead things:
Pogs
Leg Warmers
Most 80`s fashions
Ect.

Eliana

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Punk is dead. Get over it. Stop living in the past.
Um...in that case, if you can bring a proof to this, I would be more than glad to see it. You can't just say that something doesn't exist without proof. So please do tell me why you think this way, I am very curious...


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Yes. Punk is dead.
That`s why there are punks walking around, right?
Logically, something is only dead when people no longer pay any attention to it`s existence, and apparently people still pay attention to punk.

Some dead things:
Pogs
Leg Warmers
Most 80`s fashions
Ect.
Although I agree with what you said in the beginning, I disagree with the things you claimed were 'dead'.

Pogs may be 'dead', but I still remember them.
I like some 80's fashions.
Leg warmers are still cool...for me, at least.
My heart's a graveyard, baby.
And to evil we make love
on our passion's killing floor.
In my arms you won't sleep safely.
And of lust we are re-born
on our passion's killing floor.
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Yes. Punk is dead.
That`s why there are punks walking around, right?
Logically, something is only dead when people no longer pay any attention to it`s existence, and apparently people still pay attention to punk.

Some dead things:
Pogs
Leg Warmers
Most 80`s fashions
Ect.
Don't forget hair metal and the mullet... XD

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OK, a majority of the people on this forum like punk music (or their own version of it), and every punk thread thus far has resulted in flame wars and has been locked. Let's take a change of pace, and let real punk fans enjoy some good old conversation, the second this turns to flames I'm going to request it closed.

So let's get started off, what is punk? To me everyone has a different view on punk. Some people think it is punk to dress a certain way, thats fine, I don't agree with it but they are their own people.

Some people think punk is to listen to a certain type of music and be a rebel, that is fine too.

Some people think punk is hating the government, which isn't always accurate but I guess what ever floats your boat.

I think the most far out and coolest definition of punk I've heard is "punk is not making rules for yourself", any real fan will know who said this ;).

Lately I've noticed (past four or five years) that punk is slowly beginning to change, for the worse. Before Punk was huge in the '80s, and as we started changing (our personalities) punk changed too. Now there are hundreds of mini categories:

Pop Punk
Emo Punk
Punk Rock
and I've even heard SKA punk. (that one still eludes me)

My question is this: Does being a different form of Punk make you any less punk? if you sing about getting dumped, hating the government, and smoking weed but still hold onto your punk values, are you now "pop" or "emo"?

The last thing I'm going to leave you is a question I ask myself all the time:

Do the fans (teenies especially) make the band any less punk?
And what is your definition of punk?

I think the fans are what make punk in the first place. You can't have a punk band without a bunch of punk fans.

And my definition of punk, is being immature without noticing or caring(in other words being who you truely are, a punk), rockin out with your friends even if the neighbors have made 50 billion complaints to the county sheriff and you've been warned, and puring your heart out into punk music so you can say what you want to say without being questioned.

You also have to have some kinda punk clothes, it just makes you look your true punkness.


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