Touhoumon: Another World Remix Page 3

Started by machomuu July 21st, 2015 11:50 AM
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Woah, I am actually hyped for this. I loved Another World and having it updated makes my week! : 3
I just have one question... The Magic Forest Mechanic of the original... Do you plan to implement it or let it also be?
(Also the question is if you wish to add the Thermal caverns and Touhou 11s setting in general, like it was planned, but that would propably go way over what you planned for now. ^__^")
The Magic Forest is something I'll deal with later since it's completely out of my jurisdiction. If I did do it, I'd have to jerryrig some type of alternative.

But as for the other parts of the story, that's the plan. I might be doing some combining here and there to make some events even more relevant than they originally were, or make some events come full circle (the Tenshi event comes to mind, in particular).
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Ah a new patch coming soon, I'll update my file when it comes out ^^

If you want we could talk over skype (or some other kind of text chat) so I can share bugs, ideas and other things to help the game without the need to write walls of text xD (hope im not too intrusive by saying that)

I love this game and I would love to help with anything possible to make it better.
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Small update on my playtrough:

I finished the ghost house to get the first book, Marisa became lvl 27.
Decided I needed a new mon so I caught a flandre behind the scarelet mansion, been using her exclusively since then because I didnt want to overlevel marisa.

Now I reached marisa (boss fight), Flandre is lvl 24 (but still didnt evolve) and marisa is still lvl 27.

I still have a ton of trouble dealing with marisa, Patchuli already deals more than half marisa's HP with a single move and If I get her low enough she uses that sitrus berry..

The moves these mon of marisa have are quite powerfull for their level and water pulse or some water type move on al of them and just 1 shots my flandre because she still hasnt evolved.
When I manage to beat patchuli I have to fight alice, who just one shots me with lunatic or water pulse..

Im having so much trouble just beating the first 2 with mons that have a higher level then her.

Some suggestions:
- Change some of the move set of some the mons from marisa to moves that can actually be learned by these mon at the level they are at, so that these moves matches the player's mon's moves.
- Please make flan's evolution level 18 just like any other mon you can catch in that area, it would have made my fight with marisa a lot easier.

Edit I just managed to defeat her after 12 times. Flan is now lvl 30 (and evolved) and marisa lvl 28 because of that.

Note: Flandre's sprites are still the old sprites could you update them too? :)

Another Edit: there are some things in this game that just confuse me,

(this used to confuse me) I just beat Marisa and now and I would like some hint in the game where to go next (I just happen to know I have to go to reimu in order to go back to my world and go to lavender town to enter the netherworld) but it would be nice if patchi would tell me I need to go to her after reporting back that the book was in the netherworld or at least some tip.

(this still confuses me) Im not completely sure if this is still true as I might have used a outdated game before, but when you get the book from marisa in the netherworld, then fly back to the scarlet mansion, patchi says nothing no event... nothing? What am I supposed to do? (note this was in my previous game save.. Im currently playing a new save and have not reached that point yet)

When I play a game I want to know what Im supposed to do and know if Im on the right track. If beating the league first was the requirement for the event to trigger then I would have liked the game to tell me.. for example...: you go back to patchi with the book, she takes the book and tell the next book is ... saying something along the lines of: "The next book is in some place, where there are a lot of strong mons and youkai running around. Return to me when you have proven yourself strong enough to take this on (beat the league)".

machomuu

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Some suggestions:
- Change some of the move set of some the mons from marisa to moves that can actually be learned by these mon at the level they are at, so that these moves matches the player's mon's moves.
This is planned. I actually had already done this, but when I restarted (see page 1) I lost the edits which, at the time, hadn't been recorded on a separate text document.

- Please make flan's evolution level 18 just like any other mon you can catch in that area, it would have made my fight with marisa a lot easier.
This I can't do. Flandre evolves at the level she does because of her capabilities, and it'd mess up the game's balance if I just dropped her evolution requirement 12 levels. It'd mean big trouble.

Edit I just managed to defeat her after 12 times. Flan is now lvl 30 (and evolved) and marisa lvl 28 because of that.

Note: Flandre's sprites are still the old sprites could you update them too? :)
That's actually been done for a good while now (since September). I updated all of the sprites I could but I haven't uploaded it yet because bugs. Said I would though and, actually, I can today, but I want to get a few more things in first.

(this used to confuse me) I just beat Marisa and now and I would like some hint in the game where to go next (I just happen to know I have to go to reimu in order to go back to my world and go to lavender town to enter the netherworld) but it would be nice if patchi would tell me I need to go to her after reporting back that the book was in the netherworld or at least some tip.

(this still confuses me) Im not completely sure if this is still true as I might have used a outdated game before, but when you get the book from marisa in the netherworld, then fly back to the scarlet mansion, patchi says nothing no event... nothing? What am I supposed to do? (note this was in my previous game save.. Im currently playing a new save and have not reached that point yet)
Yep, I know. Originally this stumped a lot of people, and there's actually a reason why. Back when Gensokyo Scenario was cancelled, Muendaka was the stopping point. Aichiya picked up the game and bookended this with the battle against Reimu. This confused a lot of people, because a good chunk of AW players reached Muendaka and didn't know where to go next. Aichiya answered this on his site to remedy this, but what I'm planning on doing is having Sakuya come to you as a messenger and tell you to see Patchouli, who will tell you that you can go back to your own realm.

That, or I'm going to play on gamer instinct and take you back to Kanto via a different route. That much I'll make a nice little surprise, though, so you won't get any spoilers from me there.
Also, I'm very really thinking that the Eintei portion will be changed. What I plan to do is make it so that once you cut down the cuttable tree and enter the Bamboo Forest, rather than it being a matter navigating where the movement permissions are different, it'll take you to a more navigable forest area that exits into Eintei and also has Mokou lurking about.
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That's actually been done for a good while now (since September). I updated all of the sprites I could but I haven't uploaded it yet because bugs. Said I would though and, actually, I can today, but I want to get a few more things in first.
Ohh new patch coming very soon, can't wait.
I just reached remui and I just cant beat that Zreimu , will z-mons be removed in this patch? I really hope so, if not I might have to start the game over and use a Zcoupon to get my own to counter those. xD
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Glad the Bamboo Forest is being changed. I get that it's supposed to be confusing, but having to constantly rely on Aichiya's online map was a bit of a hassle.
Speaking of Muen... duka? zuka? Are you planning on expanding Gensokyo? It's so bizarre opening the map and seeing so many locations you can never get to.

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^I hope to. The plan for right now is to make your second visit to Gensokyo longer, maybe even move some story events up a bit.

Also, you just reminded me...Muenzuka is mislabeled "Muendaka". Looks like I'll be changing some names, as well.

Ohh new patch coming very soon, can't wait.
I just reached remui and I just cant beat that Zreimu , will z-mons be removed in this patch? I really hope so, if not I might have to start the game over and use a Zcoupon to get my own to counter those. xD
They haven't been removed yet but that won't be an issue. I don't want to just give away why (not like it's all that exciting or anything), but after applying the patch (that, as we speak, I'm working on), return to Muendaka and do some snooping.

Of course, since I've been focusing on Gensokyo so far, past this point is even more unbalanced. This in mind, if the Gensokyo portion's too easy, I can't good and well move on to Kanto yet.

My problem is, though, that focusing on one Boneka vs several has bred different results, basically making the earlygame a cakewalk in the case of the former and variably challenging in the case of the latter. Which has left me a bit confused as to what works and what doesn't.
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^I hope to. The plan for right now is to make your second visit to Gensokyo longer, maybe even move some story events up a bit.

Also, you just reminded me...Muenzuka is mislabeled "Muendaka". Looks like I'll be changing some names, as well.


They haven't been removed yet but that won't be an issue. I don't want to just give away why (not like it's all that exciting or anything), but after applying the patch (that, as we speak, I'm working on), return to Muendaka and do some snooping.

Of course, since I've been focusing on Gensokyo so far, past this point is even more unbalanced. This in mind, if the Gensokyo portion's too easy, I can't good and well move on to Kanto yet.

My problem is, though, that focusing on one Boneka vs several has bred different results, basically making the earlygame a cakewalk in the case of the former and variably challenging in the case of the latter. Which has left me a bit confused as to what works and what doesn't.
Well yes balancing the game is a very hard thing to do, even major game development studios have trouble doing so. I'm trying to help by reporting everything I come across which I find unbalanced or odd and I hope it helps even a bit.

After I see what surprise you have in store for us in Muendaka I'll restart the game again and see if anything changed in the new starting area's and maybe pick up a z-mon while Im at it. ^^

Oh and I nearly forgot, I saw you mentioned starters and if sanae should be added back or not. I really like the current starters, but it would be really amazing if you'd change the fairy we get alongside it. I remember a older touhou game which allowed us to swap characters mid game based on the main char you choose.
Reimu had Yukari, Marisa had Alice and Sakuya had Remilia, I really thiink it would be amazing if you'd make these combinations. Right now I dont even look at the fairy we get and just directly put it in the pc.

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Well yes balancing the game is a very hard thing to do, even major game development studios have trouble doing so. I'm trying to help by reporting everything I come across which I find unbalanced or odd and I hope it helps even a bit.
Well it's more the way Pokemon works in comparison to other franchises that gets me.

Namely, the game's never really done well in giving the player a reason to not use only the starter. This dawned on me in Platinum when I decided, for the first time, that I would train a full party of 6 and, as a result, the game was marginally harder than my Pearl playthrough (where I'd used my starter mostly). Since then I don't even use my starters for the sake of challenge, but that's kind of what I'm getting at here.

That's actually a big part of why I want to implement the XY Experience. It prevents over-leveling (to an extent) since the gain is based on your level rather than being completely static. It really helps to keep from having to overcompensate when making a difficulty curve.

After I see what surprise you have in store for us in Muendaka I'll restart the game again and see if anything changed in the new starting area's and maybe pick up a z-mon while Im at it. ^^
Oh, you don't have to do that. Most of my changes from the beginning are in the way of sprites and dex entries. In most cases, which ones I changed will be immediately recognizable, and it's gonna be a tall order. I feel as if I've done around fifty and I still have 250+ to go.

orz

Oh and I nearly forgot, I saw you mentioned starters and if sanae should be added back or not. I really like the current starters, but it would be really amazing if you'd change the fairy we get alongside it. I remember a older touhou game which allowed us to swap characters mid game based on the main char you choose.
Reimu had Yukari, Marisa had Alice and Sakuya had Remilia, I really thiink it would be amazing if you'd make these combinations. Right now I dont even look at the fairy we get and just directly put it in the pc.
Hm...I could consider something like that. I dunno if I'll change the fairy since they aren't particularly powerful but they grant the player early access to Fire, Water, and Electiric (assuming you didn't pick Marisa). Lunachild was actually quite the asset in my playthrough. Flash helped.
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Well it's more the way Pokemon works in comparison to other franchises that gets me.

Namely, the game's never really done well in giving the player a reason to not use only the starter. This dawned on me in Platinum when I decided, for the first time, that I would train a full party of 6 and, as a result, the game was marginally harder than my Pearl playthrough (where I'd used my starter mostly). Since then I don't even use my starters for the sake of challenge, but that's kind of what I'm getting at here.

That's actually a big part of why I want to implement the XY Experience. It prevents over-leveling (to an extent) since the gain is based on your level rather than being completely static. It really helps to keep from having to overcompensate when making a difficulty curve.
Yeah I loved the XY gameplay a lot more then the older games for that same reason and I really hope you'll manage to make it like that :).


Oh, you don't have to do that. Most of my changes from the beginning are in the way of sprites and dex entries. In most cases, which ones I changed will be immediately recognizable, and it's gonna be a tall order. I feel as if I've done around fifty and I still have 250+ to go.

orz.
But I want to restart and keep up the good work yet.. still so many to go ^^


Hm...I could consider something like that. I dunno if I'll change the fairy since they aren't particularly powerful but they grant the player early access to Fire, Water, and Electiric (assuming you didn't pick Marisa). Lunachild was actually quite the asset in my playthrough. Flash helped.
I've actually never picked sanea or sakuya.. so I never had lunachild. They just feel a bit.. meh to me, I don't like them for some reason. PS I'd love you forever if you'd make Youmu a starter, she's my absolute favorite :P


thanks again for working so hard on this game, I cant wait to see how the game will become :)

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Huzzah! Wonder! Magic! But most of all

*UPDATE*

...Well, that may be hyping this up way too much considering what's actually changed...*Cough*...Anyways.

As always, the latest version, complete with changelog and patcher, is in the OP. For this release I packaged the smaller, nicer NUPS in Tsukuyomi's stead.

What's new in this one? Many many 1.8 sprites, many dex entries, and- well, it's better to try it out and see (or read the changelog). I fixed the Akyuu text glitch and when you get back to Kanto...strange things will happen. So for now until V3.5, I'll say that this hack goes up until the end of the first Gensokyo portion. I'd imagine 3.5'll be released somewhere between tonight and Saturday.
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I just noticed something by starting over a few times, the music bug where the music just stops playing, in battle or OW.. it only happens in the beginning untill I reach the scarlet mansion after which I no longer have the problem. After the bug didn't happen anymore I just kinda forgot about it, but you might have noticed this already xD.
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Sorry If Im bothering you with my many posts/suggestions/etc. However I have another small suggestion regarding the Marisa fight. If you lose to her it would be really nice If you'd end up in Alices house instead of the pokecenter, the walk from the pokecenter to Marisa really gets annoying after you've been beaten a few times.

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Sorry If Im bothering you with my many posts/suggestions/etc. However I have another small suggestion regarding the Marisa fight. If you lose to her it would be really nice If you'd end up in Alices house instead of the pokecenter, the walk from the pokecenter to Marisa really gets annoying after you've been beaten a few times.
You're not bothering me at all.

I actually think that's a pretty good idea, and I'll go for it. Question, though: have you fought the revised Marisa? How is she?
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You're not bothering me at all.

I actually think that's a pretty good idea, and I'll go for it. Question, though: have you fought the revised Marisa? How is she?
She seems a lot better now, but that might be because I got a zReimu at the moment so I'm not really sure how much she has changed really, sorry about that ^^''.
Right now I'm almost at shion town again and got a full party around lvl 45-55.

I also do have to say, the transition between gensokyo to kanto became a lot easier, but I really miss the story part of that Yukari brought you there in the first place and the cut-scene when you return home. It would be better for me if Yukari became a NPC in that town (forgot the name) and maybe pops up after you examine the relic then continue from where Yukari would have send you after you normally would have beaten reimu. Or if you really want to remove the pure black area, you can make her teleport you just before entering the town so that it triggers the cutscene. When I used the relic and went to the area you would normally come from it directly triggered the cut-scene so I think it would be a lot nicer.

PS I'm loving the updated sprites :)

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She seems a lot better now, but that might be because I got a zReimu at the moment so I'm not really sure how much she has changed really, sorry about that ^^''.
Right now I'm almost at shion town again and got a full party around lvl 45-55.

I also do have to say, the transition between gensokyo to kanto became a lot easier, but I really miss the story part of that Yukari brought you there in the first place and the cut-scene when you return home. It would be better for me if Yukari became a NPC in that town (forgot the name) and maybe pops up after you examine the relic then continue from where Yukari would have send you after you normally would have beaten reimu. Or if you really want to remove the pure black area, you can make her teleport just before entering the town so that it triggers the cutscene. When I used the relic and went to the area you would normally come from it directly triggered the cut-scene so I think it would be a lot nicer.

PS I'm loving the updated sprites :)
Thanks for the feedback!

The "Homecoming" scene's gonna be revised so that it works when you come downstairs and your mom says slightly different things, that'll be in the next patch. As for Yukari, this part also works as a bit of direction. The only way to get back to Gensokyo is to go through the Gap Zone, which you can't do until you get cut. This'll kind of clue the player in to the idea that they need to progress in Kanto until they get said HM.

As for Yukari, don't worry, I have plans for her.
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Thanks for the feedback!

The "Homecoming" scene's gonna be revised so that it works when you come downstairs and your mom says slightly different things, that'll be in the next patch. As for Yukari, this part also works as a bit of direction. The only way to get back to Gensokyo is to go through the Gap Zone, which you can't do until you get cut. This'll kind of clue the player in to the idea that they need to progress in Kanto until they get said HM.

As for Yukari, don't worry, I have plans for her.
Alright, looking forward to the updates :)

Also that isn't the only way is it? You can enter gensokyo in sion town as well, or has this changed?.

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Alright, looking forward to the updates :)

Also that isn't the only way is it? You can enter gensokyo in sion town as well, or has this changed?.
Nah, that's the same since it just takes you to Hakugyokurou- that much is fine with me since it's not until later. As long as they can't just jump back into the Gap Zone right after they get back to Kanto for the first time, it's fine with me.
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Nah, that's the same since it just takes you to Hakugyokurou- that much is fine with me since it's not until later. As long as they can't just jump back into the Gap Zone right after they get back to Kanto for the first time, it's fine with me.
Ah alright.

I'm actually thinking of making a online touhoumon game like how http://www.pokemonlegends.com/ works. If I'd make this game I'd base it off touhoumon another world. Just the biggest problem for me before I get started is that I'd like to have the gensokyo map.
Is there any way you could extract the map and make an image of it (excluding the trainers and other obsticals such as cut able trees or pushable boulders)?
If so then no need to do it right away, I'd just like to know if its possible because this would help me out so much and then maybe I'll start the project around Christmas. :)
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hey , thats neat to see that THM:AW still on the road!
I'm looking foward on it , I noticed the post on sanae's website so i came to give my support! you've done some great stuff i cant wait for the final version :3

funny fact: bonéka looks like the portuguese word "boneca" that means doll

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Can you upload the .ips patch with the Physical/Special Split ?
The Phys/Special Split was in the original Version 4, which does have some changes. I was originally going to apply the patch to Vanilla Another World (and I was close to done that much) when I realized that by default, every move is physical. This basically means that I would have to go back through every move again just so that I could change a byte for each. I've done that twice so far, and it's taken hours each time.

So what I can do is post the original Version 4 from way back when I first added the PSS (since that's missing a lot of the changes and fixes I've introduced since then), and if you really, absolutely need the split with the vanilla game, I'll see if I can make time later.

But for now, the .ips I mentioned is in the OP under the "Patching" spoiler. Enjoy!

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The Phys/Special Split was in the original Version 4, which does have some changes. I was originally going to apply the patch to Vanilla Another World (and I was close to done that much) when I realized that by default, every move is physical. This basically means that I would have to go back through every move again just so that I could change a byte for each. I've done that twice so far, and it's taken hours each time.

So what I can do is post the original Version 4 from way back when I first added the PSS (since that's missing a lot of the changes and fixes I've introduced since then), and if you really, absolutely need the split with the vanilla game, I'll see if I can make time later.

But for now, the .ips I mentioned is in the OP under the "Patching" spoiler. Enjoy!
Thanks for your quick reply . Do not strain yourself . (My english grammar is too awful D: )

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Now that I think about it, were you planning on editing Boneka cries as well?
I could, but it wasn't on the bucket list.

There's a lot that I have to do before getting to the small stuff, and Boneka cries in particular I've seen little demand in AW, if any.

And, on a personal note...I can understand why they would be changed, but the thing about cries is that they aren't really all that particular to the characters that the Touhoumon are based off of in 1.8, and can often be pretty arbitrary. Momiji's cry, for example, is a bunch of sticks dropping. What even. And I get that the idea was to make Touhoumon its own entity- that was basically the ideology behind all of 1.8, so unique cries wouldn't remind you of existing Pokemon, but I have to wonder if adding them really have any effect.

Of course, if people actually do want it, I could consider it, but even then there are some hoops in that certain Touhoumon don't exist in 1.8 that do in 1.53 and vice versa.