Is Typhlosion the best starter for fire damage

Started by THE MASTER ARCEUS September 19th, 2016 6:19 AM
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Typhlosion has Eruption which is a 150 damage SP. fire attack, so,

Does that move make Cyndaquil a good starter compared to Other fires?

I feel like that move can one shot everything if I EV train SP. Attack.

How is Typhlosion in competitive?

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Compared to the other five Fire starters, Typhlosion is the worst out of them. Yes, Eruption packs a punch when Typhlosion is at full health, but it weakens as Typhlosion weakens. Typhlosion's Stealth Rock weakness doesn't help this case, either.

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Typhlosion has Eruption which is a 150 damage SP. fire attack, so,

Does that move make Cyndaquil a good starter compared to Other fires?

I feel like that move can one shot everything if I EV train SP. Attack.

How is Typhlosion in competitive?
Typhlosion is in RU, to me that means that it's not that good because I mainly play OU. I don't know how it does in RU so you're going to have to wait for someone else to answer that.

As PlatinumDude said, Eruption is best when you're full health. At 75% health (after one Stealth Rock switch-in), it's getting ~112.5 base power, which is just a bit more than Fire Blast. But if you get lower than that, then Fire Blast is better, and there are much better choices than Typhlosion for a strong Fire Blast.

Typhlosion's movepool is also terrible. It gets Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power (on the special side). Its offensive stats are low compared to other Pokémon (of course, I'm making the comparison to OU Pokémon, not RU). A lot of Pokémon can tank one Eruption and KO back or deal enough damage to the point where Eruption is irrelevant. Yes, Specs Eruption hurts and is capable of winning, but there are a lot of faster Pokémon in RU, UU, and OU that can deal with Typhlosion very easily. You have to predict the switch-ins if your opponent plays like that. But usually they'll just sack a Pokémon and then come and revenge kill you.

In comparison to other fire starters, Typhlosion is the worst. All of the other Starters are either broken (Blaziken) or have different options that they can go for. Typhlosion's bad stats and terrible movepool doesn't give it many options (the only mix-ups you can have are between Scarf or Specs, or maybe Life Orb and then choosing what Hidden Power type to go with). I guess you could also run a physical set, but that's just cheese.

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Typhlosion has been recognised as the worst Pokemon in RU by community consensus. It is, in fact, so bad that the RU Viability Rankings have a D- rank dedicated to Typhlosion. This is because it is outclassed by every other Fire-type in every possible role due to lacking a good secondary STAB, wide coverage, Speed, or all of these things. STAB Eruption is not a good niche when Typhlosion is vulnerable to every entry hazard, has no reliable recovery, and has to run Choice Specs to not be relatively weak. It has no use in RU or any other metagame, unfortunately, and it will never drop to NU because it was banned from there by a community vote for, ironically, being too good. Poor Typhlosion.

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Typhlosion is stuck in an unfortunate limbo. Unless Delphox and Houndoom are banned to BL2, or see increased usage for a rise to UU (which would both take massive metagame shifts since neither are centralizing threats) then Typhlosion will always be outclassed by them. Put simply their secondary STAB and increased coverage options along with access to boosting moves allow Delphox and Houndoom at least to threaten Pokemon that Typhlosion simply can't. Houndoom can force out Hoopa, Meloetta and Bannette and after a boost or two can threaten Slowking and Uxie while Typhlosion really struggles with a lot of these threats. Meanwhile Delphox can force out Qwilfish and Emboar and can generally handle Golbat, Hitmonlee and Hitmontop, all of which would give Typhlosion a hard time. Eruption really isn't a reliable move which means Typhlosion has little to no niche in RU. Amazingly people still use it regardless.

And I agree that it is definitely the worst of the Fire starters, though if you compare it to the non-Mega form of Charizard you could argue Typhlosion is slightly better.