About Litten's final evolution.

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I love it. Why? Well, when I saw the datamined "sprite", it immediately reminded me of Garfielf from Fist of the B0rf Star. And Fist of the B0rf Star is a top-tier meme.

Ok, memes aside, I think Litten's final stage looks dope. But then again, I'm the weird guy who likes Emboar, so maybe it's just my weird taste.

Rowlet's looks OK. Although, the face is just bizarre.

Popplio's final stage looks terrible. Sorry, people!
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I love it. Why? Well, when I saw the datamined "sprite", it immediately reminded me of Garfielf from Fist of the B0rf Star. And Fist of the B0rf Star is a top-tier meme.

Ok, memes aside, I think Litten's final stage looks dope. But then again, I'm the weird guy who likes Emboar, so maybe it's just my weird taste.

Rowlet's looks OK. Although, the face is just bizarre.

Popplio's final stage looks terrible. Sorry, people!
To be honset, I wasn't sure about Litten3 when I first saw it, but I'm glad the in-game model looks much better than the concept art. I guess you really can't judge a Pokemon by it's image these days.

Rowlet3 is warming up to me too. I'm using it for my Moon version of the game. Can't wait to use it. I guess the face looks a little odd, but the odd-looking goggles really strike me well.

I still love Popplio by the way, but hey, opinions.
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I hate that ever since gen3 that 4/5 of the fire starters end up becoming fire/fighting types. Why?!?
The chinese leaks said
Spoiler:
fire/dark
. Hope it is true!! anything except fire/fight please. I am a bit scared now that we know the chinese leaks weren't 100% true, so fire/fight might be a possibility...

I agree with Ducolmania, the sprite look better than the concept art. But Rowlet3 looked better in the concept art, and that make me sad because the image showed what was for me the best starter ever.

I would prefer Litten3 to stay on 4 legs, but the way his back legs look weaker than his front legs makes me hope for a Pokemon that can stand on two legs but will mostly attack on 4 legs...
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Well really Emboar isn't bad in itself it's just... well it's the third fire/fighting type starter we've gotten in a row. It could be a biker pig with a chain on it it'd still get some hate for that.

As for Litten's final stage it's not bad design wise it just... reeks of wrestling. If it's the fourth fire/fighting type we've gotten from starters I think there'll be an uproar. If it's fire/dark I could handle but fire/fighting... just... no.

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The chinese leaks said
Spoiler:
fire/dark
. Hope it is true!! anything except fire/fight please. I am a bit scared now that we know the chinese leaks weren't 100% true, so fire/fight might be a possibility...

I agree with Ducolmania, the sprite look better than the concept art. But Rowlet3 looked better in the concept art, and that make me sad because the image showed what was for me the best starter ever.

I would prefer Litten3 to stay on 4 legs, but the way his back legs look weaker than his front legs makes me hope for a Pokemon that can stand on two legs but will mostly attack on 4 legs...
The Chinese leak never mentioned the typings. The Fire/Dark speculation is coming from the text on the concept art itself, which mentions how Litten3 fights dirty.
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I really like Littens final evolution, and I really hope it ends up being Fire/Dark. Rowlets evolution is pretty cool too, the whole archer/Robin hood type design is really interesting. Poppilo...not so much. But that's just my personal preference: I prefer cool over cute.

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The Chinese leak never mentioned the typings. The Fire/Dark speculation is coming from the text on the concept art itself, which mentions how Litten3 fights dirty.
Wait... really?? I was so sure I saw this "confirmed" somewhere :o Like, sooooo sure... But hey, it's been too long I won't be able to find where >.<

... I am even more scared right now...
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The chinese leaks said
Spoiler:
fire/dark
. Hope it is true!! anything except fire/fight please. I am a bit scared now that we know the chinese leaks weren't 100% true, so fire/fight might be a possibility...

I agree with Ducolmania, the sprite look better than the concept art. But Rowlet3 looked better in the concept art, and that make me sad because the image showed what was for me the best starter ever.

I would prefer Litten3 to stay on 4 legs, but the way his back legs look weaker than his front legs makes me hope for a Pokemon that can stand on two legs but will mostly attack on 4 legs...
If that's the case then fine, I can live with fire/dark

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So I guess I'm the minority here who doesn't like Litten's final evo that much? Well I do like it a bit, but it looks a bit too overly masculine to me, I mean that's not really a bad thing, but I think it looks a bit too much like...well. But it's still okay. It also seems like I'm the only one here who thinks Popplio's final form looks the best amongst the 3...weird.
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Can I be honest here for a second? What exactly is so horrible about final evo Litten? Okay, I get the point: It's not on four legs. People would rather have a Raikou-esque looking Litten evo than something bipdel that probably doesn't make much sense. Being truthful, I'm also not the biggest fan of Litten's evo, but I'm also going to say that I most definitely don't think it's the worst one out there. It's certainly far better in design than Emboar, at the very least (although that bar is probably low enough that it probably doesn't matter).

This is my problem with Litten's final evo: it look like Emboar. A little too much for me. But hey, I don't hate it. I just think we already saw this concept before for a starter. Like they re-use fire/fight too often. In conclusion, I think the fire starters are always the one I like less. I can live with Litten's final form, I just won't use it if it's fire/fight. Might use it if it's fire/dark, but not for my main game.

It's still just a game. Don't like the Pokemon, don't take it. Like it? Well, play with it! :)

As for the starters, I always end up taking the grass type so even if I wouldn't like the concept I would still choose it (like Chestnaught, which I end up liking at the end).
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I don't think that Litten's final evolution looks BAD, I just think that it's really, really uncreative when you put it in a lineup of other Fire-type starter evolutions. They're all bipedal (though Typhlosion is sort of quadrupedal) with the same basic body shape. This is especially a disappointment when you look at the body shapes of the Grass-type starter evolutions and see the difference. Chesnaught is fat and bulky, while Sceptile is skinny and agile. Venusaur and Torterra look similar, granted, but they're mixed in with a taller quadruped, two bipedal Pokemon, and one with no legs whatsoever. Rowlet's evolution also looks quite different. While it is bipedal, also has wings that seem to double as arms. This is different than other starters.

Same with Water-type evolutions. Water is more of a bulky type and thus it is reflected in the designs, though there is still more variation: Greninja is small, while Blastoise and Feraligatr are fat and bulky looking. Empoleon looks fat as well, but it has more shap edges. Popplio's final looks great in this lineup because it adds another variation - a "bipedal" Pokemon that has a tail used for movement as well.

Okay, now look at the Fire-types again. A good half of them look muscular. Two of them already have swirly designs on them. One of them already has basically the same color (red/black) as Litten's. Again, they're bipedal. I'm reminded soooo much of Emboar; a bulky looking Fire-type with huge arms. The basic design is: arms, legs, tail. Now place flames somewhere.

It's just... disappointing. Litten's evolution is a cool Pokemon, but when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, it's just.... lame.

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The fact that Game Freak has never created a quadruped Fire starter probably should've been a sign to people that they probably weren't going to stop the trend now. :x
They stopped with Gyms, so it's possible. Still, youre right that people might have expcted too much there.

Part of the problem might be that they didnt use a third form that different from the other two.

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Personally, I loved Litten3's design upon first sight. It looks super strong and badass, and it amplified my love for the Litten line. Rowlet3 and Popplio3 look pretty good too, but they don't match up to Litten3 IMO.

Yet, people rage against it because it didn't stay on four legs. But that's their problem. I personally love it when quadrupedal Pokemon go bipedal upon evolution. What I do find weird, is when a bipedal Pokemon goes quadrupedal upon evolution. Look at the Oshawott line, which starts off as bipedal, but upon final evolution, it goes quadrupedal.

As for its possible typing, I hope it becomes Fire/Dark, just like most people. Even if it'd be the only Gen 7 Pokemon with the Dark type, it'd be worth it. (I don't count Alola forms of earlier gen Pokemon as Gen 7 Pokemon.) But I wouldn't have a problem with it becoming Fire/Fighting. After all, that typing makes more sense on it than on Delphox and to an extent Emboar.

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To be honest, I hated and still hate Litten's whole line. From a design where they could have so much more ideas for a cool fire type starter, they went the emboar route again. I really hate this pokémon

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I really like both fire and grass lines this time round, not keen on water though.

The fact that Game Freak has never created a quadruped Fire starter probably should've been a sign to people that they probably weren't going to stop the trend now. :x
Well, Typhlosion is sometimes depicted as running/moving on all fours so there's a silver (hur hur gen 2 ref) lining for fans who want a quadped fire starter I guess!

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The fact that Game Freak has never created a quadruped Fire starter probably should've been a sign to people that they probably weren't going to stop the trend now. :x
Can I be honest here for a second? What exactly is so horrible about final evo Litten? Okay, I get the point: It's not on four legs. People would rather have a Raikou-esque looking Litten evo than something bipdel that probably doesn't make much sense. Being truthful, I'm also not the biggest fan of Litten's evo, but I'm also going to say that I most definitely don't think it's the worst one out there. It's certainly far better in design than Emboar, at the very least (although that bar is probably low enough that it probably doesn't matter).

I dunno; with everyone hyped about how gen 7 is supposedly "changing things up for the better" this time around, I can understand why some people thought maybe, just maybe, they would take a different approach with how they design the Fire starter evolutions.

Altairis already hit the nail on the head with this: it's not that this design is absolutely bad (although, I think the swollen hands and the fire-crotch-belt don't do it any favors), but when compared to all the other Fire starter evolutions, it's just more of the same. And it's even moreso similar when compared with Emboar, who is literally another wrestling Fire starter. But instead of being a boar, it's a tiger this time.

They actually managed to make the middle evolution work, which to me is the worst part. It's got a bulky upper body and smacks things hard enough to be considered a punch but still stands on four legs. That's a tough idea to pull off and they managed it. But a design that incorporates some sort of fighting style while standing up? That's very standard, very overdone. Someone who was unaware of the leaks would probably see the middle stage and get excited at the opportunity for a quadruped final design, only to have that snatched from them at the very end.

This is why people were so impressed when Pokkén Tournament included Suicune in its playable roster--it's not easy to make a quadruped design work in an area meant for "traditional" fighting. Even if Litten's evolution had turned out Fire/Fighting, if it had been on all fours, it would at least show the designers were willing to think outside the box enough to try to come up with a design that worked for the Typing/concept they were going for, but have it be different in execution. But Litten's evolution is not different in execution, it's only different in the animal they chose to work it into.

Because of that, even if it turns out to be Fire/Dark, I still won't care for it. At this point, it's not so much about the Typing (although too much of the same in that area also gets boring) as it is about the concepts that make up the final design. We've seen this final design before, but with different animals. That's why I don't like Litten's final evolution.


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Interesting note; I think colours is fine with the design BECAUSE it's similar to previous ones, while other people are upset because of its similarity. Interesting. At least that's how I interpreted this.

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Ok, I'm still at odds as to why they chose to make YET ANOTHER fire starter have their final evolution as bipedal. Not only that, but it looks as if it could be Fire/Fighting too which would kinda suck lmao. I'll admit I am warming to the design, the actual in-game model does it more justice than the washed out sketch we saw a few months back.
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I just really don't get all the hate he is getting, I think people is just looking at it the wrong way, ''all starters are bipedal so this is more of the same'' sure, but until now now all feline pokemon stand on all fours, Litten's evolution line is the first cat line to stand on 2 legs upon evolving, which is something new and unique in that regard, why would people want another generic feline for a starter?
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Plus we get a fire feline on all fours just a gen ago, and Arcanine is half tiger so that's kind of done too


Apart from that not making the tiger pokemon a Wrestler would have been a huge missed opportunity, tigers and wrestling just go together, and to make him stand out they made him a heel wrestler, he is a villainous starter and I love that, he has so much more personality than all previous fighter starters, and if he ends up being Fire/Dark is just going to be plain awesome~

Well I personally love him design, and I honestly can't wait to have him in game! (and get an actual name)

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I never really thought Emboar looked much like a wrestler. I guess because it's part Fighting-type it makes it easy to see its design as inspired by a wrestler, but if it is it's more of a wrestler in a sporting sense than Litten3 which is more of a flamboyant pro-wrestler style.

Personally, I don't care for Litten3 because I find the design is too plain. Like, it looks like anyone's anthropomorphized catperson. Nothing about it really says "I'm a Pokemon" the way the other final evolutions do. I would not be surprised in the slightest if someone were to go through years-old artwork on deviantart and find almost the exact design of Litten3. It's just that typical looking.

It's certainly far better in design than Emboar, at the very least (although that bar is probably low enough that it probably doesn't matter).
You take that back! Emboar is beautiful!

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I just really don't get all the hate he is getting, I think people is just looking at it the wrong way, ''all starters are bipedal so this is more of the same'' sure, but until now now all feline pokemon stand on all fours, Litten's evolution line is the first cat line to stand on 2 legs upon evolving, which is something new and unique in that regard, why would people want another generic feline for a starter?
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Plus we get a fire feline on all fours just a gen ago, and Arcanine is half tiger so that's kind of done too


Apart from that not making the tiger pokemon a Wrestler would have been a huge missed opportunity, tigers and wrestling just go together, and to make him stand out they made him a heel wrestler, he is a villainous starter and I love that, he has so much more personality than all previous fighter starters, and if he ends up being Fire/Dark is just going to be plain awesome~

Well I personally love him design, and I honestly can't wait to have him in game! (and get an actual name)
I completely agree with you. Although Entei is also partially feline, and Pyroar disappointed me with its low Attack stat.

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Would you warm up to it more if it was Fire/Dark? :o
Definitely. The design isn't actually too bad, I'm just curious to see the typing and stat distribution at this point. Fire/Dark would be cool though!

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I swear you could not replicate the look of disappointment on my face when I saw Litten's final evo. Personally, I'm going with Rowlet now. And there are a lot more things that came out of the datamining that lead to a lot of disappointment on my end.

I agree that Game Freak was going to make a bipedal evolution anyway because that's what it always has been in the past, but...I love Fire starters, man. And if Sun/Moon is supposed to be this fresh, new experience that we have never seen before, why couldn't they break the tradition and come up with something more original for the Pokemon that's going to be with you from the very start? My poor little kitten turned into this ugly hypermasculine thing, and I could not be more upset about it. And for the record, I don't care about how this design is "genius" because it's based off of Tiger Mask or whatever. I really could not care less.

Ah well, at least we still have Solgaleo, right? That thing looks awesome. I'll still be enjoying Sun/Moon, but...SO. MUCH. DISAPPOINTMENT.