PC needs changes Page 2

Started by Blaze May 20th, 2005 10:40 PM
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Age 34
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Posted October 29th, 2006
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I think that the upperstaff are like billionaires and giving a dollar to someone (modship) makes no difference to them.

This was a wierd metaphor but i was up real late XD

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Age 31
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Lately there have been to many new mods, I think this is a coinsedence with the "Friendship = Promotion" thing.
Hardly a coincidence, we're gaining way too many mods; or rather, we're overstaffing, if you prefer, for that very reason.

Tony- Mmhmm.
Age 33
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Here is a suggestion,on the number of staff:

Admins 1-2
Preators also 1-2
Global mods(I am sorry if that is the same as Preator,then super mods) 3
Mods each subforum(like arts,gamemaking) should have 1-2,but other forums,fun time in pokeland...shouldn't have any(exept global mods).
Age 31
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I liked the idea of promotion spots, as they prevented overstaffing, but then, should the need arise for a new staff member, that system may very well stand in the way.

Although, in all honesty, members who were promoted just for the sake of it, rather than the fact that a new moderator/smod/whatever was needed are starting to sprout up all over the place.
Age 31
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I know how the system works - pay more mind to the more important things. The problem is that the more important things like promotions are being dubbed as less serious than they should be. I can name at least five people off the top of my head who have been promoted in the last couple of months that shouldn't have been, but let's not get into that.

I just wish you guys would look at all the aspects behind promotions, rather than just considering how good a staff member that person would make. =\ Really, there are a lot of PC members who would make excellent staff, but you can't promote every single one of them.
Seen March 17th, 2011
Posted January 15th, 2007
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I quite honestly think PC is going alright, its deffinitly one of the best Pokemon forums around, I know theres been quite alot of arguments, and stupid fights between people, causing alot to get banned. But bringing in other matters that have nothing to do with the forum and are quite honestly annoying, deserves a ban.


All of the administrators are grown up and mature enough to see if somone been promoted to a moderator because of friendship, thats a very stupid and immature statement to make, I personally think the moderators we have at PC are awesome, they do there job, and don't abuse there powers.

You cannot suggest how many moderators/administrators a forum needs, if the owner(s) of PC feel another moderator/admin is in order then im pretty sure its in need of one, there is nothing wrong with the ammount of staff PC have, compared to alot of forums I know its well in order.

Threads like this annoy me so, its happening at many Forums I go to, people thinking they know right, well if we stopped getting into arguments like this then the problems wouldn't arise in the first place.
I do not have enough time for PC anymore, it is a sorry affair but I haven't been active in a long time. I do not have many friends still here at PC but if you are one that is still please feel free to contact me via msn.
Seen May 21st, 2011
Posted May 9th, 2006
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Ok, here's my opinion on everything.
How many mods have we had to get rid of due to them failing to do their jobs? (with the exception of those who leave for personal reasons).
When we choose moderators, we look through the section that needs a new mods, select individuals that stand out (whether we know them or not), and look through their posts. We cannot predict how they'll be as mods, so we make the best of an informed decision. We can't expect to always be right, but we do things to the best of our ability.
The 'omg! promotions by friendship!' is wrong. We promote people who are loyal to PC and who we believe are active and mature enough to be able to handle problems. We had quite a lot of promotions at one point because we didn't have enough staff to sufficiently handle problems with speed, so we just got them out the way in a small period of time. There are other staff who are worthy of promotions, but who haven't received one due to us not needing any more at present.
banning the people who get in your way like JKaizer must be really helping your cause
Cause? What cause? O.o
Greg had been warned about his signature bashing certain members of staff (even by myself) and always held a negative attitude towards certain staff and PC in his posts. Serious Warning -> Ignored -> Ban, that's the usual method and special treatment won't be given. It was a group decision, not a spontaneous/grude-based one. If you want to see it as something that it wasn't, then that's your decision, not ours. All i can tell you is the truth of what happened :/

I don't know that group of you feel so negatively towards PC..i've seen people perfectly legitimately banned, but then who develop some deep grudge and it really takes over them..

Guys, this is a pokemon forum..we run it the best that we can, we promote when we feel an area needs it, we decide on the best person as far as we can, and we try to keep people happy. When members decide to ignore a warning, they are making an informed decision to risk their membership here. It was them that decided to take the risk, so them being banned as a result was their own doing.
We try to keep people happy, and we wouldn't be here if we didn't enjoy doing that, but we can't always please hundreds of people at once..if you really don't enjoy the place because you seriously believe the staff are 'bias' and ban people out of grudges, and if you don't believe us when we tell you the reasons for how we act, then there's nothing we can do :/

One addition: We do demod staff who are no longer able to do their jobs, and replace them. Why on earth would we want to get rid of all the staff who are doing their jobs well? o.o the only people we demod are those who can no longer do that..
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I can see that almost all mods are here.O,and username,we are the weaker here,so protect the weak!!!!!!!!!(O and I don't have any grunge against mods,especially in the home of sprites and game making).

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I'm going to say this blunt and I'm going to say it now, because it's getting old and it's getting old fast. People are bitter, people are paranoid. You guys don't know what goes on in the lounge, you guys don't know what goes on in HQ. So, I don't see how you can judge any of what goes on being done by that. People that say I was being unfair by rebanning Lion Heart, well guess what? It's called ban evasion and that sure won't help his situation. So stop looking for faults in ourselves and start noticing the blatant ones in yourselves.

Lion Heart was first brought up by a mod to us because he noticed a bad attitude in the guys posting. And the bad attitude continued going when he couldn't keep his opinions in line. Once again, even if you do think he was unbanned fairly, he is still evading a ban, so he breaks one rule and expects to be unbanned? No, not going to happen.

As for friendships with the staff, that's total paranoia. Just being friends with someone doesn't mean anything. I didn't know any staff members when I was first modded, and now because I've had a chance to make friends among the staff now that means everything we do is biased? Hell no, if you think that we shouldn't be able to have friends in the staff, then that just isn't going to happen.
I don't understand how some mods can mod a forum they act so negatively towards. I've been wondering that for a while now, but in the last few threads in CQ&F I've read, they've really brought me to ask. How can you mod a forum in which you act so negativley towards? How can you mod if you lack faith in our Senior Staff, yet continue to mod anyways. Don't they have any sense of honor? Where exactly do their loyalties lie?

Now, you guys say things like "The staff are always fighting" which is false. We sometimes get into fights, I'll admit that, but the causes of those fights, amung other things, are caused by those negative mods.
Seen March 17th, 2011
Posted January 15th, 2007
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I'm not protecting anyone, in my opinion, the moderators/administrators are the ones who haven't done anything, I've always felt an eqaulity between members here at PC. I do think this thread is pointless, and I haven't got a clue what you're going on about, its all just magical stuff you'd like to think was happening at PC.
I do not have enough time for PC anymore, it is a sorry affair but I haven't been active in a long time. I do not have many friends still here at PC but if you are one that is still please feel free to contact me via msn.
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Posted November 26th, 2006
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But also, it's the entire atmosphere. All the locked threads here in Q&F... back when I was a moderator here, S-Kun yelled at me if I locked too many. And now they're all locked, which looks really bad - as if the staff don't care anything for the member's thoughts.
Don't look at me, I only lock threads when a question has been answered, a flame war breaks out, or it's a spam thread. Really, for most other threads, it's up to the admin to decide what's right- I cannot break their locks, nor do I have the member support you once had to make drastic decisions without the fear of being demodded.(I clearly remember you fearlessly breaking many locks :P)
Yeah so Steve deffiantly reevaluate all the banned members because I suspect some of those people banned were banned for the wrong reasons.
I think that some of the bans are questionable, but I won't say they're exactly for the wrong reasons.

KLS

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We promote people who are loyal to PC and who we believe are active and mature enough to be able to handle problems.
Your kidding me right? Active and Mature.... Half the mods here are practically mods because of their "friendship" with the higher staff. If you guys truly pick on the "mature" mods then how come some of the mods here were banned before but they SUDDENLY became a mod? *gasp*, I think that's a baseless statement. I guess NiNGi was right, PC's all about popularity and whatnot.

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Your kidding me right? Active and Mature.... Half the mods here are practically mods because of their "friendship" with the higher staff. If you guys truly pick on the "mature" mods then how come some of the mods here were banned before but they SUDDENLY became a mod? *gasp*, I think that's a baseless statement. I guess NiNGi was right, PC's all about popularity and whatnot.
I wouldn't say half of them, and all mods seriously have some basis around their forum to support their position.

But I am seriously ticked-off because of staff members like Mihara not even considering the possibility of a fault from within themselves. Just read his post in this thread- he demands more out of others than he would out of himself. That along with the fact that he cusses in every other post on PC.. he won't be removed though, or that action even being considered, because of a large fanbase on PC who just ignores these faults. But what about the portion of the community that pays attention to what's actually happening?
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So is this thread ment because you're all having a hissy fit because you're not moderators of PC? Because its beginning to look that way, PC is run how the Admins want it to be, you cannot change that, if you all dislike it so much, leave, and stop with the immaturity.
I do not have enough time for PC anymore, it is a sorry affair but I haven't been active in a long time. I do not have many friends still here at PC but if you are one that is still please feel free to contact me via msn.
Seen May 21st, 2011
Posted May 9th, 2006
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KLS, you state that but don't show any proof o.o; we DO NOT MOD ON THE BASIS OF FRIENDSHIP. We can't all know every member that we promote, we each have different friendship groups. You don't even know how many times we've each had to do background checks on posts because we don't know them. At least get your facts straight..

Brittany, there is nothing wrong o.o; we mod based on ability, we promote based on ability. And when on earth has blue sworn or being abusive since being a praetor? o.o; you haven't been around much anymore, so you don't know what goes on :/
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Posted October 29th, 2006
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Okay look,

You can tell us all that PC is doing well but is it isn't PC is actually NOT the biggest Pokemon Forum, there are some bigger then PC in size.

Don't deny the friendship thing because we know it is true, and I personally wasn't targeting you Claire because I don't think your that kind of person.

This board needs to be LESS democratic and more based on its orginal ideas of a community model, and I don't believe that praetors and what not should veto a community site (main admin's) decision especially Steve and Kwesi.

So don't tell me it is all fine and dandy and that we don't know what is going on in HQ, because guess what people leak all the time like Andy's post to Abby in the staff lounge. After awhile we all saw it, so clearly there are alot of issues you need to own up to before you can fix them.

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Seen May 21st, 2011
Posted May 9th, 2006
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Don't deny the friendship thing because we know it is true, and I personally wasn't targeting you Claire because I don't think your that kind of person.
We each have an equal say, so i'm involved in all modding, blaze. If you're attacking the others for friendship, you're attacking me too. We do not mod for friendship.

You want it less democratic? Then what? A dictatorship?