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Old April 21st, 2018 (9:21 AM). Edited April 21st, 2018 by morthen.
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    What i mean by that is the super-effective damage and typings.
    Using flamethrower against cloyster and lapras is "not very effective", though it should be neutral, because of ice type.
    Gyarados takes super-effective damage to ice attacks, when it should be neutral.
    I think i forgot at least one more that is messed up, cant remember right now.

    Also, why is my Articuno taking super-effective damage from submission?
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    Old April 21st, 2018 (7:24 PM).
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      What i mean by that is the super-effective damage and typings.
      Using flamethrower against cloyster and lapras is "not very effective", though it should be neutral, because of ice type.
      Gyarados takes super-effective damage to ice attacks, when it should be neutral.
      I think i forgot at least one more that is messed up, cant remember right now.

      Also, why is my Articuno taking super-effective damage from submission?
      Articuno is an Ice Type and Submission is a Fighting move. Realistically, it should take neutral damage due to its Flying Typing but Generation 1 is odd. Case in point: Zapdos takes Super-Effective Electric Attacks despite being an Electric Type(wherein it should be at best neutral). There’s also Nidoqueen and Nidoking taking Not Very Effective Damage from Grass Attacks(wherein it should be neutral). Also Gyrados takes little Damage from Grass attacks despite being a Water Type(Flying Typing must be dominant, hence why Ice does Super Effective Damage).

      Also Bug moves on Poison are shall we say different in Gen 1. Same with Ghost on Psychic.
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      Old April 24th, 2018 (6:23 PM). Edited April 24th, 2018 by Otter Mii-kun.
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        The issue you're describing is one of many well-known issues with Generation I. The type match-up reporting in regards to resistances of one type canceling out the secondary type's weakness was written in a way that the effectiveness message was based on the lowest-available entry in the type match-up list.

        https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_glitches_in_Generation_I#Dual-type_damage_misinformation

        As part of this issue, a move used on a dual-type Pokémon that is both immune to and either weak or resistant to that move's type (e.g. Dig used on Charizard, Golbat, or Zapdos) will cause the game to always report that the attack missed (which might cause certain players to spam the usage of X Accuracy.)
        Because of the rules of basic mathematics (anything multiplied by zero is zero), a type immunity posed by one type on a dual-type Pokémon that has its other type weak to the same opposing move is absolute and always enforces the type immunity.
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          As a kid I always assumed that the game still treated the damage calc based on what message it gave, rather than just erroneously reporting one way or the other. I probably should have noticed this was wrong when many Super Effective moves did mediocre damage, but I was more interested in trying to figure out why it displayed some as SE and others as NVE. (Not that that mattered.)
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