The PokéCommunity Forums General Pokémon Discussions Pokémon General
Problem with types

Pokémon General The home for theories, clubs, polls, and other discussions involving the Pokémon franchise that aren't covered in any of the other boards.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1    
Old 1 Week Ago (8:52 PM).
Enpatsu Shakugan's Avatar
Enpatsu Shakugan Enpatsu Shakugan is online now
The Unyielding Flame
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Gender: Male
Nature: Adamant
Posts: 1,459
Are there any problems you have with types? Anything.

I'm baffled why Steel is weak to Fire.

Steel is almost impossible to be destroyed by fire in real life. Fire can mold it, but not destroy it. It takes fire very well.

Metal is extremely conductive to electricity though, to point of being dangerous. Why isn't Steel weak to Electric instead? It would make so much more sense to me. Would it have made Steelix too OP? Is that why?
__________________
Reply With Quote

Relevant Advertising!

  #2    
Old 1 Week Ago (9:25 PM).
Masterge77's Avatar
Masterge77 Masterge77 is offline
Robot Mienshao
     
    Join Date: Dec 2007
    Location: Sinnoh Region
    Gender: Male
    Nature: Serious
    Posts: 1,089
    The thing that's bothered me for years was Rock and Ground being both separate types despite both being based on the same element. I fail to understand why they need to be separate types. Also, every Normal/Flying type, why can't they just be pure Flying?

    And the fact there are 18 types overall, when most other RPG games only have 5 or 6 elemental types. Seriously, I wish they simplified the elemental typing system due to how convoluted it is.
    __________________
    My DA account
    Avatar made by MelNathea on DeviantART

    The Owner of Sea Weasels, the club for Buizel and Floatzel fans!
    Reply With Quote
      #3    
    Old 1 Week Ago (5:03 AM). Edited 1 Week Ago by CF1994.
    CF1994's Avatar
    CF1994 CF1994 is offline
       
      Join Date: Jul 2016
      Gender: Male
      Nature: Hasty
      Posts: 603
      While I find Rock-types hard to use, at least you can obtain some of them at an early point in the game.

      Ice-type is the most shafted of all typings, all things considered.

      There's nothing busted about a type with only one resistance and four weaknesses, and yet they're restricted to the penultimate and final dungeons in several regions. It would not turn the games into god mode to have an Ice-type Gym early on.

      It doesn't help that they're generally designed to be slow and bulky, which often never works out in the long run due to how common Fire, Steel, Rock, and Fighting-types are in competitive play.

      Only a small amount of Ice Pokémon have ever been consistently viable since their debut, which goes to show how much of an overhaul the type needs.

      My recommendations for resistances would be Water, Grass, Ground, and Flying-types. Stealth Rock and insufficient recovery would still be a problem, but at least some more Ice-types could find more use in UU/OU.
      __________________
      Reply With Quote
        #4    
      Old 1 Week Ago (5:33 AM).
      w1f1pa55w0rd's Avatar
      w1f1pa55w0rd w1f1pa55w0rd is offline
      u5uk1r0k
         
        Join Date: Oct 2016
        Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
        Gender: Male
        Nature: Bashful
        Posts: 263
        Honestly, fairy types make no sense. they take away the idea of a "normal" pokemon. and how the heck does a pixie kill a ten-foot behemoth of a dragon? srsly, think abt it. i understand that dragons needed a counter, but couldn't they have just buffed ice types? and why isn't steel weak to electric moves? these are just some really big flaws in pkmn. im mainly just salty abt fairy types though. they just make no sens
        __________________
        This is my grandson. He’s been your rival since you were a baby. …Erm, what is his name again?”
        -Professor Oak
        ”We hope to see you again!”
        -Nurse Joy
        “I like shorts! They’re comfy and easy to wear!”
        -Youngster
        “Mostly I breathe fire, but want to exchange numbers?”
        -Firebreather Walt... Sure, I'll give my number that let's anyone know where I am to a strange shirtless firebreathing man who ran up to me and attempted ot incapacitate my pets...
        Reply With Quote
          #5    
        Old 1 Week Ago (12:03 PM).
        Nah's Avatar
        Nah Nah is offline
         
        Join Date: Nov 2013
        Age: 25
        Gender: Female
        Posts: 12,208
        The way I see the whole Steel thing, it's not weak to Electric because, while it makes for a good conductor, no damage is actually done to the metal itself. The danger is more in something/someone else touching the electrified metal. For Fire, while hitting it with some flames doesn't really do anything, it probably comes more from the idea of smelting--heat up some metal/ore to a high enough temperature, and it melts.
        __________________
        Nah ンン
        “No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."
        Reply With Quote
          #6    
        Old 1 Week Ago (1:16 PM).
        Enpatsu Shakugan's Avatar
        Enpatsu Shakugan Enpatsu Shakugan is online now
        The Unyielding Flame
         
        Join Date: Apr 2018
        Gender: Male
        Nature: Adamant
        Posts: 1,459
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Nah View Post
        The way I see the whole Steel thing, it's not weak to Electric because, while it makes for a good conductor, no damage is actually done to the metal itself. The danger is more in something/someone else touching the electrified metal. For Fire, while hitting it with some flames doesn't really do anything, it probably comes more from the idea of smelting--heat up some metal/ore to a high enough temperature, and it melts.
        Metal doesn't actually melt; it only becomes softer. So I don't see why fire should weaken it.
        __________________
        Reply With Quote
          #7    
        Old 1 Week Ago (1:26 PM).
        Nah's Avatar
        Nah Nah is offline
         
        Join Date: Nov 2013
        Age: 25
        Gender: Female
        Posts: 12,208
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Enpatsu Shakugan View Post
        Metal doesn't actually melt; it only becomes softer. So I don't see why fire should weaken it.
        Are you sure about that?

        Even if that is the case, wouldn't softening it through heat still provide some degree (but only some) of basis for Steel being weak to Fire?
        __________________
        Nah ンン
        “No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."
        Reply With Quote
          #8    
        Old 1 Week Ago (1:52 PM).
        Enpatsu Shakugan's Avatar
        Enpatsu Shakugan Enpatsu Shakugan is online now
        The Unyielding Flame
         
        Join Date: Apr 2018
        Gender: Male
        Nature: Adamant
        Posts: 1,459
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Nah View Post
        Are you sure about that?

        Even if that is the case, wouldn't softening it through heat still provide some degree (but only some) of basis for Steel being weak to Fire?
        I guess so. Softening it up would eliminate its biggest strength.

        And yeah, I'm sure. I've both watched and been around metal forging. It doesn't melt, haha.
        __________________
        Reply With Quote
          #9    
        Old 1 Week Ago (1:55 PM).
        zetsubanx's Avatar
        zetsubanx zetsubanx is offline
           
          Join Date: Jul 2018
          Gender: Male
          Nature: Hardy
          Posts: 35
          I agree that Steel should be weak to Electric, but I don't see what's wrong with it being weak to Fire. I mean, if you wanted to get technical about it, Steel shouldn't be weak to anything. It at least makes some degree of sense for Steel to be weak to Fire.

          Anyway, I think that Water and Flying should be weak to Poison - air and water pollution, you know? Right now, Poison is only strong against Fairy and Grass, and Grass is weak to pretty much everything, so that one doesn't count. Poison is just such a useless type.
          Reply With Quote
            #10    
          Old 6 Days Ago (5:19 AM). Edited 6 Days Ago by Phosphophyllite.
          Phosphophyllite's Avatar
          Phosphophyllite Phosphophyllite is offline
          Mmm, steamed hams
           
          Join Date: Oct 2011
          Location: Grandiose City
          Age: 16
          Gender: Male
          Nature: Quirky
          Posts: 4,528
          #BuffIceorBust

          I feel Grass has been the worst represented of the three starter types, mainly because all the Grass-type specialists in each region (except Hoenn) are one of the first four Gym Leaders in the game. Yup, Water and Fire get E4 members, but not Grass. Why?
          __________________

          I only listen to high-quality video game rips.
          Reply With Quote
            #11    
          Old 6 Days Ago (10:44 AM).
          strangerhypno's Avatar
          strangerhypno strangerhypno is offline
             
            Join Date: Jul 2017
            Posts: 1,992
            Ice is underpowered right now. Please buff ice GF so Delibird can ascend.
            Reply With Quote
              #12    
            Old 6 Days Ago (11:32 AM).
            Venia Silente's Avatar
            Venia Silente Venia Silente is online now
            Worrisome, but also Charming
               
              Join Date: Oct 2008
              Location: behind that truck
              Gender: Male
              Nature: Timid
              Posts: 643
              My only issue with Types is that a good amount of them are not defined in a mutually representative way, or they are simply not relationally defined at all. We have eg.: Ground and Rock, Water and Ice, but not let's say Fire and Plasma. And what is the difference between Water and Ice (or Ground and Rock) anyway? What relation does Water have to Grass or Rock that Ice does not?

              And let's not get into Fighting versus "life energy", "fighting spirit" and all that. Something like fighting spirit or a second wind should be more properly represented by Psychic, not Fighting.

              Quote:
              Steel
              It is the natural condition of metals to react to electricity in a reversible way (ie.: transferring electric current or being an dielectric isolator); conversely, fire and detonations deal a noticeably more disrupting change to metals. I guess the weakness of Steel to Fire and not to Electric tries to reflect all that somewhat.
              __________________
              Venia Silente' - Consulting Worldbuilder
              Image will go here...
              one day.

              The Suocéverse - Pokémon Stuff

              IntroductionOfficial Wiki

              SWC Entries
              : Playfield 2009 : Misaimed for Life 2014 :
              As They Were 2016 : Simpler than Magic 2017 :

              Other Releases
              : Pseudo-Legendary : Silly human, romance is for Nidoran! (Valentine's : Tricks of the Love Fast (Valentine's) : Overlord (meow~) :
              »»More in profile link or wiki link««

              In progress, I swear

              : Interim : Suocéverse: Legends : Gelid Remainder :


              Reply With Quote
                #13    
              Old 2 Days Ago (9:07 AM).
              BlowDryMan BlowDryMan is offline
                 
                Join Date: Jul 2018
                Posts: 6
                Ice needs a Water resist and a defense buff in Hail. Making Hurricane have 100 acc in hail would also make hail better.
                Reply With Quote
                  #14    
                Old 15 Hours Ago (11:45 PM). Edited 15 Hours Ago by Topaz Light.
                Topaz Light's Avatar
                Topaz Light Topaz Light is offline
                   
                  Join Date: Mar 2016
                  Location: SPECIAL AREA
                  Gender: Other
                  Nature: Gentle
                  Posts: 73
                  I think it warrants mentioning that Pokémon type matchups aren't always based 100% on how forcing those two things to interact in reality would go; there's some amount of Fantasy/RPG Logic and just plain game balance-motivated decisions to it.

                  An example of the former would be Ice being weak to Fire and Fire resisting it. In reality, the interactions of Fire with Ice as opposed to Water should be very similar, but because Fire melting Ice makes it stop being Ice, that counts enough for them to give Fire a decisive upper hand in that matchup.

                  For an example of the latter, I really have absolutely no earthly clue why Dark is weak to Bug. It is, and that's something I've always just sort of accepted without really questioning it, but there's not really any real phenomenon that I'm aware of that that would be based on. I'm pretty sure it's 100% a game balance thing to give Bug another thing to be good against.
                  __________________
                  Who has lost his tail?
                  The forgotten one of the ship that sails the cosmos.
                  Reply With Quote
                    #15    
                  Old 10 Hours Ago (4:13 AM).
                  Enpatsu Shakugan's Avatar
                  Enpatsu Shakugan Enpatsu Shakugan is online now
                  The Unyielding Flame
                   
                  Join Date: Apr 2018
                  Gender: Male
                  Nature: Adamant
                  Posts: 1,459
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by Topaz Light View Post
                  I think it warrants mentioning that Pokémon type matchups aren't always based 100% on how forcing those two things to interact in reality would go; there's some amount of Fantasy/RPG Logic and just plain game balance-motivated decisions to it.

                  An example of the former would be Ice being weak to Fire and Fire resisting it. In reality, the interactions of Fire with Ice as opposed to Water should be very similar, but because Fire melting Ice makes it stop being Ice, that counts enough for them to give Fire a decisive upper hand in that matchup.

                  For an example of the latter, I really have absolutely no earthly clue why Dark is weak to Bug. It is, and that's something I've always just sort of accepted without really questioning it, but there's not really any real phenomenon that I'm aware of that that would be based on. I'm pretty sure it's 100% a game balance thing to give Bug another thing to be good against.
                  But just like steel, in contact with fire, yeah it becomes water, but it stops being ice. It loses all ice properties. So maybe that's why?
                  __________________
                  Reply With Quote
                    #16    
                  Old 3 Hours Ago (10:55 AM).
                  liluzivertfanviper's Avatar
                  liluzivertfanviper liluzivertfanviper is offline
                     
                    Join Date: Jul 2018
                    Posts: 6
                    i think normal should be strong against something honestly.
                    Reply With Quote
                    Reply

                    Quick Reply

                    Join the conversation!

                    Create an account to post a reply in this thread, participate in other discussions, and more!

                    Create a PokéCommunity Account

                    Sponsored Links
                    Thread Tools

                    Posting Rules
                    You may not post new threads
                    You may not post replies
                    You may not post attachments
                    You may not edit your posts

                    BB code is On
                    Smilies are On
                    [IMG] code is On
                    HTML code is Off

                    Forum Jump


                    All times are GMT -8. The time now is 2:53 PM.