Serious 2020 Democratic Primaries Page 9

Started by VisionofMilotic April 10th, 2019 11:07 AM
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nah, her recent media presence is just to psyduck over sanders
that ‘he hurt me’ interview was beyond asinine

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The San Francisco chronicle says there was a massive wipe out of the voter rolls in the system that removed the party preference for tens of thousands of voters in California in the Bay Area.

https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-voter-registration-dmv-automatic-14902100.php

So if you are a California voter and have any inclination to vote in the upcoming democratic primary or even future democratic primaries I would encourage you to double check the status of your registration and make sure your paperwork is in order. If your party affiliation got changed for instance from democrat to republican and this isn't corrected then you can't vote in a democratic primary in this state. If your registration shows you as having no party preference instead of Democrat then there are ways to still potentially vote, but it gets more and more complicated. You'll need to specifically request by mail-in something called a Democratic 'crossover ballot.' if you just show up to vote on election day at the polling station with no party then you might be turned away or given a provisional ballot-- which is sometimes counted and sometimes not.

Something similar to this happened in the New York Primary in 2016, I think the total number of people eligible to vote who complained that their registrations were altered and they weren't able to participate in the voting process was 200,000 people. New York was threatened with legal action, and had to implement some law reforms because of this.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html

I think California is going to have a lot of mess in 2020. They are purging millions of voters considered inactive right now. Ideally this would only apply to people who they suspect have moved away or are deceased, but if you haven't voted in a couple of elections it is entirely possible that you could be wrongly stricken from the voter rolls. This was an interesting PEW article I came across called The Messy Politics of Voters Purges.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2019/10/25/the-messy-politics-of-voter-purges

California is an early primary state this with year, a Super Tuesday state in fact, extremely populus with some of the most delegates, and it's a close race right now in this state Biden 21% Sanders 20% and Warren 17% according to this CNN poll. So it's a real nail-biter right for me at least.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/politics/cnn-polls-california-texas/index.html

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There is a debate tomorrow if anyone is interested in tuning in. I believe it is the last debate before Iowa.

The big story seems to be that Bernie told Warren that a woman could not win the presidency. Bernie denies it, and Warren has put out a statement confirming it. I would think this will be a big issue in the debate tomorrow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1114706

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And Warren’s a conniving snake for that one

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So Julian Castro and Cory Booker have dropped out of the primary. The plot thickens.

Newer polls have appeared showing Bernie Sanders leading in Iowa and California. The old codger could make it after all in spite of the efforts of the media and political establishment. Help us Obi-wan Kenobi, you're the country's only hope!

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2020/01/10/iowa-poll-2020-bernie-sanders-lead-iowa-caucus-president-election/4426492002/

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article239261123.html

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Okay let’s try this one again, shall we

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NYT endorses Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren.

I don't get it. Two endorsements? They're not even similar, politically speaking, and while the opinion piece argues that it's the point of their endorsement... it defeats the purpose of their endorsement. It took them some-thousand words to point out that "there is more than one pathway forward here", like thanks, we didn't know that already? I don't know why they felt the need to endorse both now, instead of throwing the endorsement behind one candidate later on in the race if they felt the need to do that.

In other news, Iowa primaries are in 2 weeks. The polling indicates a free-for-all, but on the day of there may well be a clear-ish winner that the polls simply can't distinguish right now. Super exciting!

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The impeachment trial being this close to the Iowa caucus is not good for the senators in the race, taking away days of vital time they could spend on the campaign trail in an important state. This might be a worthwhile read.
https://www.ksro.com/2020/01/18/trump-impeachment-trial-complicates-2020-democrats-time-on-campaign-trail/

The one I'm concerned about this affecting is Bernie Sanders. I know there are also some Warren fans in this forum too so y'all might also care about this. Who I think capitalizes the most from this is Biden, possibly Buttigieg.

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NYT endorses Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren.

I don't get it. Two endorsements? They're not even similar, politically speaking, and while the opinion piece argues that it's the point of their endorsement... it defeats the purpose of their endorsement. It took them some-thousand words to point out that "there is more than one pathway forward here", like thanks, we didn't know that already? I don't know why they felt the need to endorse both now, instead of throwing the endorsement behind one candidate later on in the race if they felt the need to do that.
I don't really get it either. The article read a lot to me like stating the obvious and trying to pretend it's something profound.
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How do you guys feel about the results of the Iowa Caucus being recorded with a brand new smart phone app? The developer is not currently known. This does raise some security concerns for me that I personally think would outweigh making counting easier, but I'd like to hear what others think about this. It is new twist on the Iowa Caucus that certainly has my attention. Previously the idea of a virtual caucus was toyed with as well. I'm glad they scrapped that at least.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-hacking-fears-key-caucus-states-to-use-app-for-results/2020/01/18/f21dd656-39b1-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html

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How do you guys feel about the results of the Iowa Caucus being recorded with a brand new smart phone app? The developer is not currently known. This does raise some security concerns for me that I personally think would outweigh making counting easier, but I'd like to hear what others think about this. It is new twist on the Iowa Caucus that certainly has my attention. Previously the idea of a virtual caucus was toyed with as well. I'm glad they scrapped that at least.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-hacking-fears-key-caucus-states-to-use-app-for-results/2020/01/18/f21dd656-39b1-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html
I'm just sitting here waiting for the security to fail.
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Okay, I have been aware since the controversial election of Tom Perez as chair of the DNC that he was no friend of the left or reform. He overturned the ban on the party taking donations from the coal, oil and gas industry. When he ascended the throne he purged every progressive voice he could find from the ranks of the delegates and party leadership positions, ousting anyone who had supported the actual leftie Keith Ellison over him in the chair race, replacing them with lobbyists.

https://theweek.com/articles/790183/treachery-tom-perez

He has meddled in local primary races that he technically shouldn't take sides to undermine grassroots efforts like Cynthia Nixon by endorsing and stumping for corporate candidates like Andrew Cuomo who give tax breaks to the rich at the expense of our schools.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/tom-perez-andrew-cuomo-primary-endorsements-607799

For the presidential debates his DNC has used arbitrary polling thresholds, and cherry picked which polls qualify and which don't, usually to the detriment of an outsider trying to get in like Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang, just before changing the rules all over again so that a billionaire who will continue to enable the status quo like Mike Bloomberg can buy their way onto the stage, when others have fallen away, or never even got a chance like Wayne Messam or Mike Gravel.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-shifts-debate-requirements-opening-door-for-bloomberg-110017

We've seen nothing yet though...

The committee that Perez appointed to 2020 National Convention is an illustration of how many donors still control the party. I had heard some rumblings about this from The Hill earlier this week, and knew the comittee wasn't going to be good. For starters John Podesta was on the rules committee-- the incompetent Hillary 2016 campaign manager whose leaked correspondences embarrassed them with dirty laundry like the campaign getting debate questions in advance, the Goldman Sachs conferences, covert ops in Syria, the Clinton foundation taking money from Keystone XL pipeline backers. Well he's the one involved.

What I didn't realize though was how deep the cronyism went. Almost everyone Perez named to the policy and rules committee has ties to the military industrial complex, healthcare insurance companies, banks lobbying groups, hedge funds, the fossil fuel industry, the list goes on and on from Goldman Sachs to Duke Energy to AIPAC to Boeing to Blue Cross Blue Shield to Wal-Mart.

https://www.rootsaction.org/news-a-views/2189-tom-perez-stacks-2020-convention-committees-with-from-the-swamp-nominations

I have tried to be optimistic and work within the Democratic party when possible, but this sure is depressing going forward. These insiders are going to obstruct progressive candidates and policies at every opportunity, and that's why they were chosen by Perez. Several appointees like CNN's Maria Cardona have written columns attacking the economic policies of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders with all the alarmist Venezuela rhetoric you would expect of a Republican, or Barney Frank from the board of directors on New York Signature Bank who have spent years fighting the progressive wing like Alessandria Ocasio Cortez and Sanders over policies like environmental protections and expanding healthcare to everyone.

These are individuals with a history of selling regime change war, pushing for trade policies to ship jobs overseas, arguing against raising the minimum wage, blocking medicare for all, supporting fracking and protecting banks. They have been given power to determine what the domestic and foreign policy for the party will be going forward, and interpret the rules of this primary, and it is not going to be in a way that will favor regular people I can garuntee.

Many of them literally worked for Kamala Harris, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, Joe Biden, John Kerry, John McCain, Ronald Reagan, Joe Libermann, Barack Obama and Mike Bloomberg, as advisers, bundlers in their super pacs, running their campaigns and more.

This is not what we need. We will lose to Trump again if we take this step backward in 2020.

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This has long been the problem with the Democratic party, let's be honest. They market themselves as the progressive option, because the Republicans are extremely conservative, but anybody with even a little political knowledge knows that isn't true. The Democratic party is largely comprised of centrists who are either just left of centre, or on occasion, a little right of centre. Which leads to infighting when actual progressives run as a Democratic candidate because there's no real alternative if they want to actually have a shot.

This means that the Republicans, who tend to put up a more united front, automatically have a head start in any election even before you add in the ridiculousness of the electoral college into the process. This is partly because the US' political system is terrible to begin with, but a lot of the blame rests on the heads of the Democrats who are more preoccupied with in-fighting than putting their best foot forward.

That's what cost the Democrats the election in 2016 and it's part of why what should be an easy win against an incompetent incumbent is a coin toss. If the Democrats want to have a strong chance of victory they really need to get over their identity crisis.
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Unfortunately I don't think that this "identity crisis" is going to end anytime soon. The split between the progressives and the moderates in our political left isn't limited to just the DNC or the elected politicians, but extends to the entire nation.

To be honest, there is no hope for the United States. Even if we go with the best case scenario for this election, that a progressive candidate (say Sanders) both gets the Democratic nomination and defeats Trump, the presidency is just one piece of the puzzle. There's then still the issue of the composition of Congress and the Supreme Court. And that's just at the federal level. The problems repeats itself at the state and local levels, although not completely uniformly, as some places are more liberal or conservative than others. Then on top of that, there's the everyday people who support and elect all the people at various levels who make things worse or not get better, as well as the various (powerful) entities that have a vested interest in making sure that that this country does not progress. The US has long been tricked into thinking that anything more than slightly left of center is evil, that you're supposed to like this plutocracy masquerading as a democratic republic.

It's all too big a behemoth to topple really
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Unfortunately I don't think that this "identity crisis" is going to end anytime soon. The split between the progressives and the moderates in our political left isn't limited to just the DNC or the elected politicians, but extends to the entire nation.

To be honest, there is no hope for the United States. Even if we go with the best case scenario for this election, that a progressive candidate (say Sanders) both gets the Democratic nomination and defeats Trump, the presidency is just one piece of the puzzle. There's then still the issue of the composition of Congress and the Supreme Court. And that's just at the federal level. The problems repeats itself at the state and local levels, although not completely uniformly, as some places are more liberal or conservative than others. Then on top of that, there's the everyday people who support and elect all the people at various levels who make things worse or not get better, as well as the various (powerful) entities that have a vested interest in making sure that that this country does not progress. The US has long been tricked into thinking that anything more than slightly left of center is evil, that you're supposed to like this plutocracy masquerading as a democratic republic.

It's all too big a behemoth to topple really
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I'm going to be honest, the 2016 democrat presidential nomination was pretty much rigged in Hillary's favor. So I am not to confident that this democratic nomination round is going to run smoothly. Though I stay clear of presidential primaries as an independent, but I don't like rigged primaries regardless of party.

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I think some good points are being made all around, and I share in the feelings of being overwhelmed and cynical at times. Since voting in the primary is about to start I think it's quite timely that Nah should remind us that the presidential election is just one piece of the puzzle. We need good judges, chairpersons, representatives. Though we can't change everything this cycle, this primary does present an opportunity to possibly still make some changes even on a local level.

On Super Tuesday I am voting in the democratic presidential primary and will vote down ticket in the local primaries at that time. I am indifferent to which Democrat wins the primary for the governor of my state of North Carolina--none of the three are of any great praise, so I will wait until the general to vote on that one. There are a few democrats running for lieutenant governor though that look worth voting for in a primary-- one had a pretty good platform with universal healthcare in it, ending the use of fossil fuels and abolishing the privatization of prisons.

Folks, are there any good democrats running on a local level right now that you would or will vote for?

I have watched races outside of my state before, and have even donated to their campaigns if they seemed exceptional, people that we could use out there fighting the good fight. Now I happen to have recently heard through the grapevine about several different congressional races upcoming in New York, California, Texas, Georgia, Illinois and other places that have some candidates who are generally young, bold and taking no corporate pac money. If you live in any of the following areas you might want to take a look at the websites of these induviduals, and find out if any of them are democrats you'd like to vote for this season. I was especially impressed with Eva Putzova. I have been hearing about her around the internet for awhile, and am glad I finally started reading up about her. I wish I could vote for her, Jill Carter and Betsy Sweet the most.

Spoiler:

Jill Carter (MD-07)

https://jillcarterforcongress.com/

Shaniyat Chowdhury (NY-05)

https://brandnewcongress.org/Shaniyat-Chowdhury[url]

Jessica Cisneros (TX-28)

https://www.jessicacisnerosforcongress.com/

Robert Emmons Jr. (IL-01)

https://www.robertemmons.org/

Mark Gamba (OR-05)

https://www.markgamba.com/

Jim Harper (IN-01)

https://www.harperforindiana.com/

Nabilah Islam (GA-07)

https://www.nabilahforcongress.com/home

Liam O'Mara (CA-42)

https://www.liamomara.org/

Michael Owens (GA-13)

https://owensforcongress.com/

Rebecca Parson (WA-06)

https://rebeccaforwa.com/

Eva Putzova (AZ-01)

https://evaforcongress.com/

Andrew Romanoff (CO-Sen)

https://www.andrewromanoff.com/

Mike Siegel (TX-10)

https://siegelfortexas.org/

Betsy Sweet (ME-Sen)

https://www.betsysweet.com/

Teresa Tomlinson (GA-Sen)

https://teresatomlinson.com/

Rachel Ventura (IL-11)

https://www.rachelfventura.com

Kim Williams for Congress (CA-16)

https://kimwilliamsforcongress.com/en/

Robin Wilt (NY-25)

https://wiltforcongress.com/

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Alrightie folks, I advise you to sit down.

The Iowa caucus was held yesterday. I knew this new app used to record the results was going to be a nightmare somehow. We still don't have the full results of the first caucus we are told because there was a crash. The spokesperson for the Iowa Democratic party says they found multiple sets of inconsistencies. Everybody is scrambling to review this, looking at what's left of the paper trail. Joe Biden doesn't want the results released yet until there's been thorough analysis for quality control--which I can't blame him for. At the time of writing this what I have read is that less than half of the results came in, and none of it's been verified. The democratic party chair is acknowledging that different precincts have said that they can't get into their apps, and that teams of troubleshooters are coming to help.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/03/iowa-caucus-app-failed/

Biden's senior advisor is saying that the alignment numbers are not matching up. The Bernie Sanders campaign released internal caucus numbers for 40% of the precincts that showed Bernie in the lead with Pete Buttigieg in second place, then Warren third and Biden 4th. Meanwhile Elizabeth Warren's campaign is saying it's still too close to call. Mayor Pete earlier last night said he was the victor. This whole thing is a quagmire.

https://theintercept.com/2020/02/04/sanders-campaign-release-caucus-numbers-iowa-buttigieg/

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/03/klobuchar-iowa-new-hampshire-caucus-110639

I want to scream right now. I want to scream.

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So it begins. This isn't quite the way I imagined the disaster to take shape, but the anticipated issues are here.
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If this caucus is a sign of things to come, 2020 is going to be a LONG year. I would’ve never thought Mayor Pete would’ve gotten 2nd place (or higher).
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Now Mayor Pete is an interesting case the more I dig into this.I visited Pete Buttigieg's website, and according to the data his team posted they picked up a lot of votes on re-alignment.
https://peteforamerica.com/results/

Re-alignment as a process has always intrigued me because we don't have anything like it in my state. One of the many unique things about the Iowa Caucus is that if the candidate you support doesn't reach at least 15% during the first round of voting, that candidate becomes no longer viable, and a second round of voting begins. Caucus-goers supporting candidates who did not get enough votes in the first round then have the option to either walk out or re-align with one of the candidates still available.

I guess I could see that on re-alignment voters might be looking for somewhere in the middle and crossover to somebody like Pete. Maybe some Yang voters are looking for a younger alternative. I am not terribly surprised Pete would perform well in Iowa either because the media really covers this candidate and likes him. I also heard he was pouring almost everything he had time and money-wise into campaigning in Iowa as well. It is after all the first state and so pivotal that it can change the whole momentum of the primary. When Obama won Iowa people who initially laughed at his candidacy started taking him seriously. Usually whoever is announced the winner of Iowa becomes the winner of the primary. This night really sucks for whoever the winner is because all of this controversy and uncertainty in a protracted fiasco undercuts whatever momentum they might have had as the frontrunner going into the next state primary.

Buttigieg's campaign issued a statement saying, "We saw that turnout this year was in line with 2016 turnout and our first and final alignment numbers were around 22% and 25%, respectively. In calculating the State Delegate Equivalents from the final alignment numbers, we came in with 480.44 SDEs (28%) in the precincts that have reported.”

https://whotv.com/2020/02/04/buttigieg-campaign-releases-internal-iowa-caucus-data/

This would seem to correspond with the numbers that the Bernie Sanders campaign collected from some of the different captain precints. The data they released to the press from 4 different locations shows Bernie himself with 29.66% of the votes, Mayor Pete with 24.59%, Elizabeth Warren at 21.24% of the vote and Biden shockingly with only 12.37% and with Amy Klobuchar a little behind him at 11.00%. Now this would represent just around 40% of precincts, it isn't all of the data, but still I thought Biden would be appearing in the top 2.

I'm glad somebody had the foresight to record data independent of the Shadow app that caused all this turmoil. That piece of junk is not downloading, preventing workers from logging in, giving weird warning messages that it can damage their phone if downloaded and going down in complete system crashes, and worse still-- the results it does show are deviating from the numbers that the captain precincts took photos of. This is scary as hell.
https://www.kcci.com/article/democrats-expected-to-release-caucus-results-tuesday-afternoon/30763394

The Democratic party wants to use shadow app again in Nevada to record the results coming in. Oh Joy! The chair of the Iowa democratic party says that there was a coding issue that was preventing the app from transmitting accurate data, and that it's is fixable. No...just no.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/politics/iowa-caucus-app-issues/index.html

In the 2016 Iowa caucus Microsoft was the developer of the app used to record the results. Why is the party so determined to keep using Shadow Inc instead? I don't believe they could genuinely be this stupid twice.

Now this is something else weird and it pertains to Pete Buttigieg. The LA Times, which has an especially good record for factual reporting-- scoring higher than MSNBC at mediabiasfsctcheck.com for instance, reported that Pete Buttigieg is a client of Shadow. Information from the FEC shows that Pete Buttigieg's Presidential campaign paid over 40,000 dollars to the tech firm this summer for software rights and subscriptions. Buttigieg's campaign spokesperson has issued a statement that the services they purchased were for texting out messages to supporters. Even if this is just a bad coincidence and you don't believe that there was any sinister intent I think it is highly inappropriate for Shadow to have anything more to do with recording the results because it is a potential conflict of interest, and after this debacle with data not matching no voters will place their trust in this developer. Shadow has already disqualified itself in my view 10 times over.

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-04/clinton-campaign-vets-behind-2020-iowa-caucus-app-snafu

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The Iowa Caucus was on Monday. It is Thursday morning and we're still waiting for the full results to come in and be verified. This is unprecedented! I signed a petition calling for the resignation of Tom Perez as DNC chair that's gotten 18,000 signatures. He won't of course, but I signed it on principle. I would have Troy Price the Chair of the Iowa Democratic party removed too if I could.

A political activist Shaun King reported that numerous precint captains say they submit results to the Iowa Democratic party, but the party will not immediately post, and over 24 hours will go by without information being made public.

https://wqad.com/2020/02/05/voters-say-the-iowa-caucus-numbers-dont-add-up-and-people-are-freaking-out/

Why are they just sitting on results and slowly posting batches of data day by day here and there, protracting this circus beyond what is necessary? Are we trying to make sure the media has enough time to get their spin game going?

There's been some butterfingers counting in Iowa as well. One instance in particular that stood out to me is that in certain counties state delegates won by Bernie Sanders were awarded to Deval Patrick! Fortunately in Black Hawk County Iowa a supervisor and co-chair Chris Schwartz took to social media and sounded the alarm about the inaccuracies he saw, confirming that Patrick received 0 votes in this county. Patrick did not win anything. The Iowa state democrats tweeted that they'd correct it.

https://kwwl.com/2020/02/05/error-iowa-democratic-party-issues-minor-correction-possibly-to-black-hawk-county-results/

Schwartz tweeted that the results in his area were 2,149 votes for Bernie Sanders with 155 county delegates, 1,578 votes for Pete Buttigieg with 111 county delegates, Elizabeth Warren with 1,244 votes and 87 county delegates, Joe Biden 986 votes and 85 county delegates, Amy Klobuchar 862 and 55 county delegates, Andrew Yang 33 votes and 5 county delegates, Tom Steyer 27 votes and 4 county delegates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/schwartzforiowa/status/1225177618485522432

The numbers being reported by the party have resulted in Elizabeth Warren losing votes too, which were then attributed to Tom Steyer. There were also instances where no support was ever tallied for Andrew Yang though there were voters standing in the room who had committed to Yang.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/05/iowa-democratic-party-reports-iowa-caucus-results-with-errors/4672474002/

In one precinct when there was supposed to be a three-way tie between Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren they literally picked a name at random out of a damn hat--and called it for Biden.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/iowa-caucus-night-is-an-utter-disaster

I have heard several different off the record stories as well from activists and voters who were on the ground inside the caucus that have concerned me about the integrity of the process.

I am having trouble online finding the most recent pledged delegates and vote totals for the Iowa Caucus. Many news sites are just showing the state delegates/sde which slightly favor Mayor Pete with him at 26.2% vs Bernie at 26.1% from the most recent reports I have read--this may have changed. The pledged delegates last I read were tied 11-11 between Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg, with Bernie Sanders ahead in the actual amount of votes by 1200. Again these numbers may have changed as more data is posted, so If anyone has more recent info go ahead and please share so I can be better informed. Most news outlets are saying that although like 85% of the data has been posted it's still too early or close to call.

In 2008 the results of the Democratic primary Florida and Michigan got effectively cancelled at the time by the party. These states were stripped of their Democratic delegates to the national convention because the primary was held outside the DNC's approved timetable. If I were the DNC I would do that with Iowa because of all of the shenanigans and irregularities. I am not even going to get into some of the potential voter suppression issues that's happened in areas like Johnson county, where the caucus sites were changed to different places at the last minute. I really would be uncomfortable declaring anyone a winner in a caucus this controversial, even if it's the guy I'm voting for, this whole caucus still stinks and casts a shadow over the victory. My condolences to the people of Iowa-- y'all deserved better than this muk.

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apparently the mod of this debate wanted to throw some hands too cause that one-two punch on pete buttigieg... jeez