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Old July 18th, 2005 (7:28 AM).
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alright, so here's my ash team. it used to work quite well and i was beating pretty much everybody and rarely lost(it was practically invincible) but recently it seems to struggle a bit.. so some help would be greatly appreciated.

Pikachu (M) @ Light Ball ** Allen Iverson
Trait: Static
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Encore
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Quick Attack
- Volt Tackle
i gave it max speed. it's around 307 ish speed.. i'm thinking of toning it down to 300 or so and add the extra ev's to special attack.. i mean what's it gonna be outspeeding anyway? and the extra boost in special attack can help it sweep even more pokes..
i think the moveset should be fine. quick attack beats berry abusers. the problem with him is that it's dead against a dugtrio unless it happens to use hp ice the turn duggy switches in.

Heracross (M) @ Salac Berry ** Ron Artest
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
should be a solid pokemon. i could use CB but i rather not.. Usually i send out my blastoise to yawn, and if they choose to tbolt blastoise anyway and fall asleep, it creates an opportunity for him to set up. he's also quite handy when an opponent tries to rest.

Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers ** Tim Duncan
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 122 Def / 8 Spd / 128 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Sludge Bomb
i used to have modest nature and have giga drain and hp fire instead of earthquake and sludgebomb. the problem with the special set is that i already have enough special attack users, imo, and also many things are weak against earthquake. i could just make charizard my physical sweepert... but nah, my special zard gives the opponent more of a surprise cuz they always expect a physical zard.
i know many things are earthquake+sludge bomb resistent(skarm :S gengar) but leech seed usually forces the opponent to switch anyway. against a gengar you'd most likely have to switch cuz even with special set you're still weak to psychic/ice punch/fire punch.

Blastoise (M) @ Leftovers ** Yao Ming
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 54 Atk / 148 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Focus Punch
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Yawn
yawn not only annoys the opponent and also helps it replenish its hp every turn when its hp get a little low. this usually causes the opponent to attack and fall asleep allowing my heracross to set up. i can also use it to attack on the switch. lum berry may beat it... but he usually lasts a while.

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry ** Kevin Garnett
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Claw
- Endure
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
dragon claw hits most things, and hp grass finishes off swamperts. milotic beats it but oh well, it's good enough to sweep a lot of things that are normal resistent to flamethrower and dragon claw slays off the OU dragons (salamence tsk tsk).

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Shaq O'Neal
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 156 HP / 178 Def / 176 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Rest
- Return
- Shadow Ball
standard curelax. i know it's not exactly unique, but it seems to be the best snorlax, imo. it's a real special tank and with curse it becomes practically invincible. weezings suck tho.

overall this team has trouble against a fast CB user like aerodacytl. it lacks normal resistance. a steel type addition could work but i'm not really willing to switch any of my pokes. it's balanced enough to beat a typical OU team tho.
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alright, so here's my ash team. it used to work quite well and i was beating pretty much everybody and rarely lost(it was practically invincible) but recently it seems to struggle a bit.. so some help would be greatly appreciated.

Raichu (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Static
EVs: 212 Atk / 252 Spd / 46 SAtk
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- HP Grass/Ice/Water
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt


i gave it max speed. it's around 307 ish speed.. i'm thinking of toning it down to 300 or so and add the extra ev's to special attack.. i mean what's it gonna be outspeeding anyway? and the extra boost in special attack can help it sweep even more pokes..
i think the moveset should be fine. quick attack beats berry abusers. the problem with him is that it's dead against a dugtrio unless it happens to use hp ice the turn duggy switches in.
Neither mouse will survive too many hits so use Raichu.

Heracross (M) @ Salac Berry ** Ron Artest
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
should be a solid pokemon. i could use CB but i rather not.. Usually i send out my blastoise to yawn, and if they choose to tbolt blastoise anyway and fall asleep, it creates an opportunity for him to set up. he's also quite handy when an opponent tries to rest.
However, Tyranitar negros this to pieces.
Herry @ Lefties
Focus Punch/Rock Slide
Swords Dance
Megahorn
HP Ghost


Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers ** Tim Duncan
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 122 Def / 8 Spd / 128 SDef
Calm/Bold Nature
- Razor Leaf
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Sludge Bomb
i used to have modest nature and have giga drain and hp fire instead of earthquake and sludgebomb. the problem with the special set is that i already have enough special attack users, imo, and also many things are weak against earthquake. i could just make charizard my physical sweepert... but nah, my special zard gives the opponent more of a surprise cuz they always expect a physical zard.
i know many things are earthquake+sludge bomb resistent(skarm :S gengar) but leech seed usually forces the opponent to switch anyway. against a gengar you'd most likely have to switch cuz even with special set you're still weak to psychic/ice punch/fire punch.
I like Razor Leaf, Bold Nature and more Def EVs but that's just me

Blastoise (M) @ Leftovers ** Yao Ming
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 54 Atk / 148 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Rest
yawn not only annoys the opponent and also helps it replenish its hp every turn when its hp get a little low. this usually causes the opponent to attack and fall asleep allowing my heracross to set up. i can also use it to attack on the switch. lum berry may beat it... but he usually lasts a while.
Put those Atk EVs in Speed or SDef.

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry ** Kevin Garnett
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Claw
- Endure
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
dragon claw hits most things, and hp grass finishes off swamperts. milotic beats it but oh well, it's good enough to sweep a lot of things that are normal resistent to flamethrower and dragon claw slays off the OU dragons (salamence tsk tsk).
Fire Blast/Earthquake/Aerial Ace/Rock Slide. Jolly/Naive if you want SAtk.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Shaq O'Neal
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 156 HP / 178 Def / 176 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Rest
- Return
- Shadow Ball
standard curelax. i know it's not exactly unique, but it seems to be the best snorlax, imo. it's a real special tank and with curse it becomes practically invincible. weezings suck tho.
512 HP, 300 Def, 200 Def, rest in Attack. Careful

overall this team has trouble against a fast CB user like aerodacytl. it lacks normal resistance. a steel type addition could work but i'm not really willing to switch any of my pokes. it's balanced enough to beat a typical OU team tho.
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alright, so here's my ash team. it used to work quite well and i was beating pretty much everybody and rarely lost(it was practically invincible) but recently it seems to struggle a bit.. so some help would be greatly appreciated.

Pikachu (M) @ Light Ball ** Allen Iverson
Trait: Static
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Encore
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Quick Attack
- Volt Tackle
i gave it max speed. it's around 307 ish speed.. i'm thinking of toning it down to 300 or so and add the extra ev's to special attack.. i mean what's it gonna be outspeeding anyway? and the extra boost in special attack can help it sweep even more pokes..
i think the moveset should be fine. quick attack beats berry abusers. the problem with him is that it's dead against a dugtrio unless it happens to use hp ice the turn duggy switches in.

More Evs in SpAtk would make no difference -_-, dunno what encore is for

Heracross (M) @ Salac Berry ** Ron Artest
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
should be a solid pokemon. i could use CB but i rather not.. Usually i send out my blastoise to yawn, and if they choose to tbolt blastoise anyway and fall asleep, it creates an opportunity for him to set up. he's also quite handy when an opponent tries to rest.

Like I told you the other day "CB"

Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers ** Tim Duncan
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 122 Def / 8 Spd / 128 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Sludge Bomb
i used to have modest nature and have giga drain and hp fire instead of earthquake and sludgebomb. the problem with the special set is that i already have enough special attack users, imo, and also many things are weak against earthquake. i could just make charizard my physical sweepert... but nah, my special zard gives the opponent more of a surprise cuz they always expect a physical zard.
i know many things are earthquake+sludge bomb resistent(skarm :S gengar) but leech seed usually forces the opponent to switch anyway. against a gengar you'd most likely have to switch cuz even with special set you're still weak to psychic/ice punch/fire punch.


Don't use mixed venusaur like the guy above suggested, this looks fine except it needs 260 SpDef

Blastoise (M) @ Leftovers ** Yao Ming
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 54 Atk / 148 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Focus Punch
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Yawn
yawn not only annoys the opponent and also helps it replenish its hp every turn when its hp get a little low. this usually causes the opponent to attack and fall asleep allowing my heracross to set up. i can also use it to attack on the switch. lum berry may beat it... but he usually lasts a while.

Set is odd but, worked in a way. The only thing I don't like is how it loses effectivity if someone lets their pokemon sleep.

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry ** Kevin Garnett
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Claw
- Endure Sub/ Blast Burn
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
dragon claw hits most things, and hp grass finishes off swamperts. milotic beats it but oh well, it's good enough to sweep a lot of things that are normal resistent to flamethrower and dragon claw slays off the OU dragons (salamence tsk tsk).

Many people would call me a noob, but, with that speed you might as well give them a nice farewell gift

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Shaq O'Neal
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 156 HP / 178 Def / 176 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Rest
- Return
- Shadow Ball
standard curelax. i know it's not exactly unique, but it seems to be the best snorlax, imo. it's a real special tank and with curse it becomes practically invincible. weezings suck tho.

only needs a def stat of 190 and 512 HP


overall this team has trouble against a fast CB user like aerodacytl. it lacks normal resistance. a steel type addition could work but i'm not really willing to switch any of my pokes. it's balanced enough to beat a typical OU team tho.
Raikou causes problems too ;-)
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Old July 19th, 2005 (12:06 AM). Edited July 19th, 2005 by c_dog.
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Raikou causes problems too ;-)
um, yeah, we'll see about that next time :P

and encore has more use than you think. it beats baton passers who try to stat up(ninjask) and forces calm mind users to switch. it has many many good uses.

and no, no CB on heracross. if heracross gets one sword dance it's as strong, if not stronger, than a CB cross. sub allows it to avoid status and can lead to reversal. sword dance + reversal = deadly combo which only weezings can beat.

and this team has ZERO problem against tyranitar, let's just make it clear. venasaur, blastoise, both beats it, charizard with hp grass surprises it and make sure it hurts. tyranitar is one of the weakest OU's imo. sandstorm is annoying cuz it stops heracross from setting up properly, but nothing sword dance can't fix.

and there's nothing wrong with an opponent letting their pokemon sleep against blastoise. it allows heracross to come in and stat up... that's the reason i don't use CB, i want to really make them pay for sleeping.
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but, the fact that tyranitar was put into play carries sandstream. And I generally switch afer my pokemon was put to sleep, guts would make up for sub on a CB set, I see why you wouldn't want it. I'd place rockslide instead of reversal =/
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but, the fact that tyranitar was put into play carries sandstream. And I generally switch afer my pokemon was put to sleep, guts would make up for sub on a CB set, I see why you wouldn't want it. I'd place rockslide instead of reversal =/
sandsteam don't matter really. it stops heracross from using reversal to its maximum power, that's it, it doesn't ruin my team or anything. obviously my team doesn't depend solely on heracross' reversal :S

and yeah, smart users switch but some don't(quite a lot of them). some just try to avoid yawn by resting, and both ways allow my heracross to set up.

why rockslide? i'd rather hp rock for the accuracy.. but why not brick break/focus punch for stab?
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Blast Burn, right...

I forgot: Belly Drum>Rock Slide
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hmm husk is right.
blast burn is pretty cool if used correctly.
Try it out sometime......
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(not having to recharge after breaking a substitute or after KO'ing a pokemon)
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well, there's absolutely no place for blast burn. endure is too valuable, imo. endure allows charizard to beat pokemon faster than it like dugtrio, tauros, aerodactyl, jolteon, etc, who are all extremely OU. blast burn would make for a nice final attack but there's just no place for it, none. without endure, charizard won't even be in the position to use blast burn, it'd most likely get OHKO'd.
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cbmence says "hi" to this team

in other words, you have a HUGE cbmence problem.
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Not entirely true. Treat it as you would Explosion. When you know they're going to KO you land the big hit and say good bye.
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with blaze+stab+sunny day (lol), it can **** stuff up

150 w/ STAB=225
225 w/Blaze=337.5
337.5 w/ Sunny Day=506.25

whomg, stronger then explosion! but no one uses sunny day anyway, and it is hard to activate blaze+sunny day and everything
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cbmence says "hi" to this team

in other words, you have a HUGE cbmence problem.
yeah, like i said, anything with CB causes problems. not just CB mence. CB aerodactyl, CB tauros, CB heracross, CB metagross, CB dodrio.

really, the only way to beat CB anything is with a steel type and i ain't about to replace any of my pokemon. other from the CB users this team is practically invincible... and if i'm lucky, blastoise with yawn or venasaur with sleep powder gets the CB pokemon since they usually have the defense to endure a couple hits. but yes, when i run into CB, i pray.
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