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Old October 15th, 2005 (8:45 AM).
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heh, I haven't had an RMT thread in a good while..

Anyway, here goes:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Peeves
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP / 176 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Giga Drain
- Hypnosis
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

It doesn't really need to outspeed anything faster than adamant CBmence, IMO. Giga Drain for that Swampert weak my team has. Hypnosis misses more than hits, so considering Fire Punch over it for Metagross and friends.

Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meatgroooooooos
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Resttalking metagross is a real pain to kill. Also my Flying/Normal/Rock resist.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Pink Fat Nurse
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Wish

Passes Wishes to donphan, gyara and 'lax, because they wouldn't last long otherwise.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** omg an elephant
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 204 HP / 52 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Spins and p-hazes, counters tyranitar, etc. I hate missing with Rock Slide, so using HP Rock instead.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers ** gyaradoooooooos
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Def / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

DD gyara doesn't work really well with all those Zapdoses out there, so using T-wave instead for paralyzing those Zapdos and whatnot switch-ins.
Taunt is cool to prevent Blisseys from Aromatherapying away the T-waves.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Curselax
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 156 HP / 148 Atk / 64 SAtk / 140 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]

0malax. Helps with that Skarmbliss weak and HP Bug is cool for catching Celebi on the switch.

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Old October 15th, 2005 (9:48 AM).
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heh, I haven't had an RMT thread in a good while..

Anyway, here goes:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Peeves
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP / 176 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Giga Drain
- Hypnosis
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

It doesn't really need to outspeed anything faster than adamant CBmence, IMO. Giga Drain for that Swampert weak my team has. Hypnosis misses more than hits, so considering Fire Punch over it for Metagross and friends.
OK that makes sense. But go with Fire Punch over Hypnosis.

Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meatgroooooooos
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Resttalking metagross is a real pain to kill. Also my Flying/Normal/Rock resist.
Usually I use a Psychic Agiligross. But this works too...

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Pink Fat Nurse
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Wish

Passes Wishes to donphan, gyara and 'lax, because they wouldn't last long otherwise.

OK. Good for killing dragons too.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** omg an elephant
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 204 HP / 52 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

OK this is odd but it works.

Spins and p-hazes, counters tyranitar, etc. I hate missing with Rock Slide, so using HP Rock instead.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers ** gyaradoooooooos
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Def / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

DD gyara doesn't work really well with all those Zapdoses out there, so using T-wave instead for paralyzing those Zapdos and whatnot switch-ins.
Taunt is cool to prevent Blisseys from Aromatherapying away the T-waves.

Blissey will just use Natural Cure to fix them. DD Gyarados is better imo. For Blissey just sweep it.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Curselax
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 156 HP / 148 Atk / 64 SAtk / 140 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]

0malax. Helps with that Skarmbliss weak and HP Bug is cool for catching Celebi on the switch.

Focus Punch w/out Sub? Actually I like powerlax more. I will explain powerlax.

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Powerlax is the following Snorlax.
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Rest
Belly Drum
Double-Edge
Shadow Ball
252 ATK/129 SD/129 HP
This works because of the added power of Double-Edge and Belly Drum. Uses Belly Drum/Chesto Rest combo effectively.
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Old October 15th, 2005 (10:14 AM).
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go with Fire Punch over Hypnosis.
ok.
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Usually I use a Psychic Agiligross.
I don't really prefer agiligross, and psychic on a non-special based meta isn't going to OHKO weezing anyway, and well, that's the only reason to use psychic on it.
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Blissey will just use Natural Cure to fix them.
Natural Cure doesn't heal the opponent's whole team, just Blissey. ;/
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Focus Punch w/out Sub?
They usually switch Skarmory in on lax, and after their Skarm got below 50% on health from Fire Blast, they'll switch and Focus Punch will kill or at least hit something very hard on the switch; so basically no need for sub on it.
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Powerlax is the following Snorlax.
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Rest
Belly Drum
Double-Edge
Shadow Ball
252 ATK/129 SD/129 HP
This works because of the added power of Double-Edge and Belly Drum. Uses Belly Drum/Chesto Rest combo effectively.
The problem with that set is, that Weezing switched in and gg. Not many people use Weezing though, but anything with enough offense will be able to kill lax on the turn it BDs or the turn it is going to Rest.

Anyway, thanks for the rate.
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Old October 15th, 2005 (11:25 AM).
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hey, wait a second, E4prosucker, it was this team that you beat? you beat a team that had less ability than it could, with a strategy it has no counter for, with only one pokemon left? you're pitiful.
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EQ>HP:Bug on Snorlax. If you're using Body Slam, give it 60 Spd EVs to outspeed paralyzed base 130s.

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EQ>HP:Bug on Snorlax. If you're using Body Slam, give it 60 Spd EVs to outspeed paralyzed base 130s.
I've tried EQ on it before, but Celejump --> Sleeptalk Zapdos has kinda been a problem, so I'm using HP Bug on it.
k, I might try to take out 60 EVs from SDef and put it to Spd then.
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Old October 17th, 2005 (7:22 AM).
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I know that Natural Cure only works on Blissey. I thought you meant you would paralyze blissey.
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I like the originality myself. maybe consider curse on lax over fire blast/body slam
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Old October 17th, 2005 (7:55 AM). Edited October 17th, 2005 by Squarewalker.
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I know that Natural Cure only works on Blissey. I thought you meant you would paralyze blissey.
I didn't say I would paralyze Bliss, since after the Taunt it will be forced to switch out anyway, but the other T-waves will stay. (my team obviously needs para-support to work well =/ )
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maybe consider curse on lax over fire blast/body slam
nah, snorlax w/o STAB isn't that great IMO, and that para chance is nice. If I'd take FB off, my team would get walled by Skarmbliss. :/
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Maybe give Gengar Dream Eater instead of Giga Drain?
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Giga Drain is for Swampert, Dream Eater fails since they can switch
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Old October 18th, 2005 (8:21 AM).
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If you did a Mean Look/Hypnosis/Dream Eater it may work, but that would require a weakness to sub users. Also Gengar is too fragile to do that.
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Rellies too much on a move with a crappy Accuracy, needs you to trap first then pray for Hypnosis to hit or you die the next turn
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Originally Posted by torkoal_7
heh, I haven't had an RMT thread in a good while..

Anyway, here goes:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Peeves
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 80 HP / 176 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Giga Drain
- Hypnosis
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

It doesn't really need to outspeed anything faster than adamant CBmence, IMO. Giga Drain for that Swampert weak my team has. Hypnosis misses more than hits, so considering Fire Punch over it for Metagross and friends.

Just make sure Giga Drain OHKOs Swampert. I'd stick with Hypnosis if I were you.

Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meatgroooooooos
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Resttalking metagross is a real pain to kill. Also my Flying/Normal/Rock resist.

More DEF, less hp imo. Also consider Thunderpunch somewhere for Skarm.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Pink Fat Nurse
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Wish

Passes Wishes to donphan, gyara and 'lax, because they wouldn't last long otherwise.

Your team doesn't like status, so replace counter with aromatherapy.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** omg an elephant
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 204 HP / 52 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Spins and p-hazes, counters tyranitar, etc. I hate missing with Rock Slide, so using HP Rock instead.

I'd put some DEF evs into attack, it's plenty defensive enough.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers ** gyaradoooooooos
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Def / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

DD gyara doesn't work really well with all those Zapdoses out there, so using T-wave instead for paralyzing those Zapdos and whatnot switch-ins.
Taunt is cool to prevent Blisseys from Aromatherapying away the T-waves.

Thunder Wave over Taunt, Dragon Dance over Thunder Wave (EQ|HP Flying|Taunt|TWave)

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Curselax
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 156 HP / 148 Atk / 64 SAtk / 140 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]

0malax. Helps with that Skarmbliss weak and HP Bug is cool for catching Celebi on the switch.

CB I think.

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7/10, 8/10 if you put Aromatherapy on bliss.
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Old October 20th, 2005 (4:45 AM).
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Just make sure Giga Drain OHKOs Swampert.
It doesn't OHKO, but it does like:
Minimum Damage 74%
Average Damage 81%
Maximum Damage 88%
to standard 'pert.
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More DEF, less hp imo.
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Also consider Thunderpunch somewhere for Skarm.
I'd need to put like 136 EVs in SAtk for a 2HKO on Skarm, and I don't really have room for Thunderpunch on gross anyway. Snorlax handles skarmbliss well enough, imo.
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Your team doesn't like status, so replace counter with aromatherapy.
Metagross can take statuses. Last time I checked, Aromatherapy wasn't compatible with Wish, so that won't work, and a Resttalker with a heal beller on the same team would be quite lol anyway.
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I'd put some DEF evs into attack, it's plenty defensive enough.
I'll try that.
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Thunder Wave over Taunt, Dragon Dance over Thunder Wave
I've tried DD on it before, and doesn't work well.
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(EQ|HP Flying|Taunt|TWave)
lol, that's the current moveset. ._.
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CB I think.
meh, CB lax dies easily to sandstorm..

Anyway, thanks for the help.
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