I think the president should have more rights

Started by Virtual Headache October 15th, 2005 6:22 PM
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I'm not talking about user permissions (editing threads, etc.).
I just thought it would be great if the presidential campaigns were a little different:
Look at the campaigns in the US for example: presidents make promises, to get people to vote for them.

I think PC's campaigns should be like that: candidates should point out things they'd like to change about PC and new ideas they want to be discussed, so people can vote for the ones with the best ideas.

Presidents should be able to participate in staff's discussions then and have the ability to show them their ideas and points of view so they can probably make some of their promises come true.

Basically I just want the president to be able to talk to staff more and to be able to bring up his/her ideas.

I hope you'll get what I'm trying to say.

What do you think about my idea?
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The president elections thing doesn't really mean anything. If they changed all of it to "Vote for the your favorite member" it'd end up being the same thing. They're still the same member with the same rights, now they just have a pretty colored title.

It's just a fun little contest ya know? Not something to worry over...
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The president elections thing doesn't really mean anything. If they changed all of it to "Vote for the your favorite member" it'd end up being the same thing. They're still the same member with the same rights, now they just have a pretty colored title.

It's just a fun little contest ya know? Not something to worry over...
Yeah, but I actually think it should be more than that.
We already have MotM as a fun-contest, so why not make the presidential elections a little different?

It would give people the chance to change PC...
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The president elections thing doesn't really mean anything. If they changed all of it to "Vote for the your favorite member" it'd end up being the same thing. They're still the same member with the same rights, now they just have a pretty colored title.

It's just a fun little contest ya know? Not something to worry over...
I totally agree with Dakota, its just a contest to have some fun.


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Err... It's only for fun, and will stay that way. The president doesn't and won't have more of a say than any other PC member.
I think it should be that way.
It should be more like real elections and not just a popularity contest...
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I don't think Paul's complaining about his "Limited" privileges. XD If people want things done they post here.

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People can still bring their opinions to the mods anyway, no matter what their position is at PC. We shouldn't hold contests for president if everyone is expecting the winner to be nothing more than a counterbalance to our so-called tyranny, then, in governmental terms, we would just be electing our leaders to walk along the street and spit in the eye of any senators they come across. Popular people aren't always deserving of more power or added responsibility, they shouldn't be forced to make promises, because that brings up issues of accountability and matters that may ensue if someone is swept into office on a platform of empty statements. Like everyone else has said, it's just for fun.

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I don't think Paul's complaining about his "Limited" privileges. XD If people want things done they post here.
I wasn't talking about Paul, I was talking about this title in general....
That's what the higher staff is for *shrugs*
Yes.
But they should also see the things from the members' point of view.
And I know we have the Q&F forums, but people say it's for the staff to decide about things most of the time.
Presidents should take part in these discussions.
People can still bring their opinions to the mods anyway, no matter what their position is at PC. We shouldn't hold contests for president if everyone is expecting the winner to be nothing more than a counterbalance to our so-called tyranny, then, in governmental terms, we would just be electing our leaders to walk along the street and spit in the eye of any senators they come across. Popular people aren't always deserving of more power or added responsibility, they shouldn't be forced to make promises, because that brings up issues of accountability and matters that may ensue if someone is swept into office on a platform of empty statements. Like everyone else has said, it's just for fun.
Well said, as usual.

Giving them the ability to participate would be making us give them access to the lounge/ HQ, and we CAN'T give that to a member unless they're staff. They president gets a pretty name and a title. I honestly think thats more then enough.
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Well said, as usual.

Giving them the ability to participate would be making us give them access to the lounge/ HQ, and we CAN'T give that to a member unless they're staff. They president gets a pretty name and a title. I honestly think thats more then enough.
I didn't say they'd need access there. What about IMs?
I also didn't say the staff has to listen to the president.

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Um, I was a regualr member and still am a member at PC. I've just been given the ability to have an overall say in it's matters.

Any member, whether or not you are President or VP can give a suggestion, ones in the forum for things like that right now(wonder which one). The fact or the matter is staff have to make the choices, not members, not the president, and not the VP.

Look at the community donators, they donated their hard earned money, and they have no more say in staff matters then anyone other type of members; they can still suggest.

The president will not be brought into the affiars of the lounge and HQ. The only possible way for him to have an actually say is by getting modded, just like the rest of you.
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Well said, as usual.

Giving them the ability to participate would be making us give them access to the lounge/ HQ, and we CAN'T give that to a member unless they're staff. They president gets a pretty name and a title. I honestly think thats more then enough.
Ahem. IIRC, before I was fired, there were discussions in the mod lounge about giving lounge access to certain groups who *weren't* staff? That implies that you CAN give that to a member, you just don't want to at the moment. And no, this isn't a leak, because I'm not a staff member anymore.


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Ahem. IIRC, before I was fired, there were discussions in the mod lounge about giving lounge access to certain groups who *weren't* staff? That implies that you CAN give that to a member, you just don't want to at the moment. And no, this isn't a leak, because I'm not a staff member anymore.
I wasn't trying to imply that it wasn't possible. I was trying to imply that we aren't doing that. Oo
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But you said "can't" XD. You should have said "aren't" then. X3 [/pedantic]


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The elections are just a glorified vesion of the MotM where the winners are more obvious. They have the same say that anyone else on PC has, if they have any ideas they think might help PC then they can PM a staff member about it. The staff forums are hidden for a reason, and mods probably have just as much input as any other member when bringing up ideas.
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Dude, This isn't a Republican forum, where it will be ever so important what ideas the president has to improve the nation. This is just PC, a forum that is full with an corrupted/inmature staff.

Think about it, if you were the authority of PC, would you like that somebody just came along and ridded you of your tyrannny? Of course not, so all these "presidential" elections are just for fun.

Besides, if we had speeches and promises we'd probably have an PC Revolution War. lol. The staff obviously doesn't want anybody standing up to them, so that's why this is for fun ^_^

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Dude, This isn't a Republican forum, where it will be ever so important what ideas the president has to improve the nation. This is just PC, a forum that is full with an corrupted/inmature staff.

Think about it, if you were the authority of PC, would you like that somebody just came along and ridded you of your tyrannny? Of course not, so all these "presidential" elections are just for fun.

Besides, if we had speeches and promises we'd probably have an PC Revolution War. lol. The staff obviously doesn't want anybody standing up to them, so that's why this is for fun ^_^
And just who are you to say that? Do you know how the staff works? I've never seen your name bold so I have no idea how you got to these conclusions. You've never been in the lounge or any of the other staff areas to see how things work. Or is it just because you don't get what you want all the time? We don't bend rules for anyone. This election is just for fun, it was never meant to hold any real barring on power here on PC. So please, if we wanted to be tyrants, I would have banned you long ago. While we may not be the 'cruel hateful tyrants' you make us out to be, talking about anyone, staff included like that is against the rules. So there's one warning on you.

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*sigh* Looks like someone else drank the kool-aid.

Dude, This isn't a Republican forum, where it will be ever so important what ideas the president has to improve the nation. This is just PC, a forum that is full with an corrupted/inmature staff.
Okay, first of all, even if a president at PC ran on a platform of change, do you think that the end result would seriously be different? 90% of the people here vote for their friends, and no amount of empty promises of sweeping reform would change that. No candidate would even want to bother with promises anyway; the average presidential candidate at PC is a) in it for fun, and b) incapable of thinking of ways to improve the community. There were exceptions in this past election, but no one except the most vehemently anti-staff people like yourself would run if the premise would be that the winner would be an envoy to the mods or an anti-mod.

Incase you haven't noticed, you can already rail against us/praise us/ask questions as much as you want. I believe we already established in this thread that Community Questions/FEEDBACK is for that. Just because you have a problem with us doesn't mean you should be blind enough to think that we don't seriously consider all valid questions that come to our attention. Look at any thread in here that has an intelligent or thoughtful question or idea in it and you will see a detailed, precise, intelligent, thoughtful answer back from a mod. You don't even see what goes on in the lounge; it's a nexus of new ideas that end up in constant improvement. CQ/F wouldn't even exist if we were as misocaineous as you claim us to be. A corrupt and immature administration would quash all dissent. You can't really complain about what we're doing if you say we're Communist when all you want is anarchy. Grow up.

Think about it, if you were the authority of PC, would you like that somebody just came along and ridded you of your tyrannny? Of course not, so all these "presidential" elections are just for fun.
Now you're saying that the presidential elections are a conspiracy. This couldn't have even been a possibility because the presidential election has always been a popularity contest, they've always been just for fun. It never had a purpose, and it most certainly doesn't have a magical, hidden purpose that, if the evil mods didn't so expertly keep you all from knowing, could contain the power to shape PC in the president's image. The president is the representative of the people, nothing more. As I've said, they're not an envoy, they're not an advocate, they're not protestor-in-chief. They're a person with a lot of friends and a uniquely-colored name. Your conspiracy theoires are tiresome and overused.

Besides, if we had speeches and promises we'd probably have an PC Revolution War. lol. The staff obviously doesn't want anybody standing up to them, so that's why this is for fun ^_^
You're standing up to us right now. Not that what you say has a shred of validity, but you're still speaking out. It's your right to. You wonder why none of the mods listen to the anti-mod people? It's because they're unappreciative rebellion-for-rebellion's-sake type of people who do it for attention. People who actually have something to say are a lot more thourough and thoughtful when they bring it up. That RARELY ever happens.

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The PC Presidential Elections is for one thing. Fun. The first time around no one really knew what it was about so they said "I'll do ... if I'm elected PC President". Now days everyone knows the President and Vice-President are really no different then members. All they get is a colored user name, larger PM box and avy size. Other then that they are just a normal member. But they still say it, and to me it's fine. It's really just a big popularity contest and the only people that are going to win is people well known on PC. Some new member can go day and night about the best ways to help PC, but if that member isn't popular that member isn't going to win. If Jorge and Kaga was the only two running then Jorge would most likely win because he gets around PC more then Kaga. Because he's more popular then Kaga (no offence Kaga, for all I know you might be more popular then Jorge, I know you're more popular then me XD), thus meaning he'll win.

And I also wouldn't want some member that just won a popularity contest going around talking about Staff stuff (no offence to any of the Prezs or VPs) on or off PC. They are not Staff members, they are just well liked enough around PC to get the spot. They didn't go around helping members and reporting threads (ok some of you might have). Or worked their way to the Mod spot. The Mods an Admins worked hard to get their spot, they had to put time into PC. No one got Modded by getting one PC once a month or never doing at the forum they got Modded in. They earned that right to have say so in Staff matters, they earned that right to see the Staff forums. I think that has been lost by a lot of members all over PC. A lot of members think the Staff does nothing but lock/move threads and thinks it's nothing to it. Whoever thinks that is wrong, so wrong. That isn't something to be taken lightly. This isn't the US, it's PC, things work differently here.


Dude, This isn't a Republican forum, where it will be ever so important what ideas the president has to improve the nation. This is just PC, a forum that is full with an corrupted/inmature staff.
Says one who knows not what he is talking about.
I think Claire put it best
It's such a shame in my eyes that when members are satisfied with the work we are doing we hear nothing from them (and it is a lot of work -making sure we abide by the rules, responding to all reports, dealing with banning, promotions, demotions, making forum decisions), yet when they don't like something they're more than happy to gang up with others and decide that they officially 'hate the staff'..it really does kill your morale after a while :/

My position now is 'why should i help out and put so much care into a forum when so many members are so negative about the work myself and other staff do'..i've gone from really enjoying my job to just wondering when the next negative outburst will be..positive outbursts are unfortunately unheard of ._.
It's members like you Greed that made Claire quit. There are 2 things I can't stand on PC. Staff that's never on (we take care of that by demotion). And Staff bashers/haters. I look at it this way, "You hate the Staff, I hate you.". I put my time and work into PC every day and people like you come on and try to make yourself look big or smart by putting down Staff. It's members like you that PC can do without.
You haven't seen the Staff forums, you haven't Modded around PC, you haven't got reports, you haven't made PC better. So untill you get all them you shouldn't talk about something you don't have a darn clue on. You'd change your tune if you really saw how much we help PC. If it wasn't for the Staff you wouldn't have a forum to bash the Staff on. Think about that the next time you open your mouth and bash Staff.

Think about it, if you were the authority of PC, would you like that somebody just came along and ridded you of your tyrannny? Of course not, so all these "presidential" elections are just for fun.
First off PC isn't a tyranny, like you say. If you had any sense in your head or were on PC enough then you would know that. Instead of bashing the Staff you wouldn't be so blind to see that.
Anyway like Kaga said, there is no dark conspiracy or some hidden meaning to the elections. From day 1 it was just a popularity contest and just for fun. It wasn't this or that, it was just for fun for the members. More or less the same as the MOTM, just on a larger scale and forum wide. Both are just a popularity contest for the members to vote in. By your meanings the MOTM has some dark conspiracy behind it some how tied to the Staff not wanting to give up power or whatever.

Besides, if we had speeches and promises we'd probably have an PC Revolution War. lol. The staff obviously doesn't want anybody standing up to them, so that's why this is for fun ^_^
It's not that we don't want anyone standing up to us (it happens all the time, and if it's like a Mod doing something wrong then action will be taken. That is standing up to the Staff). It's just Anti-Staff make just a fool of themselves and never win. Lets take you for an example. How many of your Anti-Staff reasons got by the Staff without one of us coming along and cutting down your pointless and biased argument? Like you say "corrupted/inmature", how do you know? Do you see us corrupted or immature on anything? Can you see what we do in the Staff forums that shows we are corrupt or whatever? No you can't, so there goes your argument. Thus making yourself look like a fool.
You hate the PC Staff for some reason. Most likely you don't like authority over you, or a Staff member locked your thread, or you were banned. For whatever the reason you don't like the Staff and you'll make up reasons to make us look bad.


I just think it's really sad that a good number of the members don't give the Staff the respect they earned. I'm not saying do whatever they want (if it doesn't have to do with Modding), or fear them. We are all just normal members like all of you. We all joined, we all were a new member at one time. The reason why I'm saying the Staff should get respect is because they put their time into PC. They have to warn that member, lock or move that thread, talk about thinks to make PC better. Normal members just go around posting and having a good time. But Staff have to work on PC, they got to move or lock that thread, they have to talk about that new forum before it comes up and members get to post it in. And that's why the Prez and VP shouldn't be in Mod stuff. They didn't earn that right like the Mods, S-Mods, Praetors and Admins. So that's why they should just be a normal member (and also, it's not easy work, they are better off this way).

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Dude, This isn't a Republican forum, where it will be ever so important what ideas the president has to improve the nation. This is just PC, a forum that is full with an corrupted/inmature staff.

W00t w00t for you...you have officially been marked a trouble maker...what an immature statement.

Think about it, if you were the authority of PC, would you like that somebody just came along and ridded you of your tyrannny? Of course not, so all these "presidential" elections are just for fun.

Congrats again for contradicting yourself.

Besides, if we had speeches and promises we'd probably have an PC Revolution War. lol. The staff obviously doesn't want anybody standing up to them, so that's why this is for fun ^_^

You can't really compare the two....you lose
I think that the staff is way too touchy on subjects about them. They are really sensitive, because 99% of the time the staff gets flamed in these subjects. But the rare times when people simply want to comment on them...bleh

But this isn't what Greed did...he just wanted to be the cool kid that insults the staff here. Wow, that just blew up in his face.