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Old November 24th, 2005 (1:45 PM).
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I've been fiddling with the idea of TormentProtecting (TP) on Dusclops lately, so i said, "Why not on Umbreon as well?"

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If you torment a phazer on the switch, protect can be like an inferior Taunt, but Torment can make things annoying for non-phazers after the BP, especially if you have Things with Pressure or Protect on your team. I'm also working out TP on Dusclops, Gengar, and soon some other dark types.
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Old November 24th, 2005 (3:16 PM).
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I personally don't see how TPing could be useful. But hey, it's not a bad idea, good for you for trying new things.
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Old November 24th, 2005 (9:36 PM). Edited November 30th, 2005 by Pyrotechnix.
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Ok, here's a full explanation of Torment Protecting so that Umby doesn't have to explain it to every person who happens to walk by this topic:

Torment is hell to CBers, for starters. If a TPer is out and they predict a CBer switch, they use Torment on the incoming opponent, meaning they can't use the same attack twice. The CBer says, hey, no problem, this attack will own them anyway. That's where Protect comes in. You Protect against that attack, and then the CBer is forced to switch out or Struggle, in which time you have a chance to set up another attack, such as Focus Punch or Substitute in TPGars case, or Wish/Mean Look in Umby's case.

Second: Stopping Phazers in their tracks. Say you're trying to set up a Mean Look combo ala PerishTrapping with Celebi and Umbreon. The opponent, knowing what you are attempting, tries to Roar you out. If you have Tormented beforehand, however, this allows you to Protect against the Roar, and they can't phaze you out on the next turn, meaning you have ample opportunity to complete whatever combo it is you are desiring and moving on with your ownage of their team.

Third: *GAR and DUSCLOPS (for Shadow Ball sets) ONLY* Say goodbye to Snorlax and Blissey. Usually a Snorlax will either be carrying only Body Slam and Shadow Ball or Body Slam and Earthquake. This plays to your advantage, as if they have a BS/SB set, you Protect against the Shadow Ball and Torment it on your next turn. While they are forced to use an alternative move or switch out on the next turn, you Focus Punch them and they take at least some damage (unless your opponent somehow decides to switch into their own Dusclops, Gengar for kicks =/) while you continue to Protect/Torment/Attack away. You'll beat down their Shadow Ball even if they manage to Curse it up if you play it right. For Blissey, this makes Ice Beam Blissey afraid of Gar again. Usually, Bliss will be like, hum de dum, I broke the sub, makes McGar a little useless, eh? Not in this case. Same as Snorlax: You Torment them so they can't use Ice Beam after using it against you once (It won't come anywhere near killing Gar) again, and start plugging away with Focus Punches, then protecting if necessary. You really don't need to accomplish this with Dusclops, as Blissey can't do jack squat to Dusclops anyway before being burned and Pain Split for the lol effect. This Torment/Protect combo works best on Gengar and Dusclops, since they get a Normal/Fighting resist, but it could be managed on any Pokemon who can get Torment/Protect movesets. Umby has had success with TPUmby, and Clops can definitely use this set to advantage. Be careful with Gengar, tho, as this is more meant to stall, and Gengar isn't really good at the whole stalling game.
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Oh I see. Sexy.

UMBY CAME UP WITH A NEW STRATEGY WOOT
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Old November 25th, 2005 (12:06 PM).
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yea, spread the word. Also Wish is an alternative over Mean Look, just for support.
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I think its nice, but umby isn't the best choice, as pyro said you can also use gar or dusclops, which are better in a way.
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Old November 26th, 2005 (5:31 PM).
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it doesn't do much of anything.
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Old November 27th, 2005 (10:33 AM).
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Except mess up Ham's CB team
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Old November 29th, 2005 (12:26 PM).
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Nice Umby. Torment does do hell to CBers. Heck, Torment does hell to me, and I don't use CB. It makes me use a weaker attack than what I can use.
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Old November 29th, 2005 (1:14 PM).
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Except mess up Ham's CB team
by mess up you mean make the battle last retardedly long then yes.
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Old November 29th, 2005 (2:46 PM).
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That was my fault......I already told you why.....
But by mess up I mean making you predict Gyarados with Medicham to use Rock Slide and instead used Torment.

And also by keeping 1%HP after me tormenting and you HP Flying and healing from my Wish.
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Old November 30th, 2005 (12:02 AM). Edited November 30th, 2005 by TwinScythe.
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so what is the idea of this, just stall their ****
and BP Mean Look to something else? This just looks
like a free DDmence or DDtar or even Curse lax setup to me..

BTW "Teh" is seriously a *** word..
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Old November 30th, 2005 (6:21 AM).
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People who think enough to complain about the word "Teh" need to dai IMO.
Anyways, the idea was similar to chaosbreon with Mean Look, only I just wanted a set of my own =/. Later I put in Wish. Now it supports like a Supportbreon, while being annoying with its Tormenting goodness. and there are the reasons Pyro listed above.
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I made some small edits on the TP explanation after taking into account some of its actual use.
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Old November 30th, 2005 (6:34 PM).
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yea, spread the word. Also Wish is an alternative over Mean Look, just for support.
Cpt if you use wish over ml thaey just switch? :shocked:
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Old December 1st, 2005 (1:08 AM).
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Still not mentioned but you get setuped on.
Gengar and Dusclops do this so much better all
Umbreon can do is stall and BP it..
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Old December 1st, 2005 (6:05 AM).
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Cpt if you use wish over ml thaey just switch? :shocked:
Like I said, for support. TP allows it to be more annoying while it sets up a Wish. Protect even furthers the wish for Umby's own health.
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Old December 1st, 2005 (7:15 PM).
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With all the focus-punchers out there.........

Neverless, creative idea tho.
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Old December 2nd, 2005 (8:03 AM).
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Well, not to many umbreons stay in against FPers.....in this case, if you can get a Torment on the switch then you can, but It'd most likely be pointless.
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Old December 3rd, 2005 (7:35 AM).
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So your point is to switch in, jajaja sends out FPer, switch out. O_o
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Old December 3rd, 2005 (7:47 AM).
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Not all teams have an FPer......But it can stay in against some FPers, as long as it isn't STABed or based on anything higher than Base 110 attack iirc. I've only stayed in once against that, and I think it was an Aggron, so I honestly don't know. Try it if you want, I guess.
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