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Old December 23rd, 2007 (8:26 PM).
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Planning a team.

Specsmence
CBDugtrio
Agiligross
Jirachi (Wish support)

What covers these weaknesses?

EDIT: @ Shiraishi - Could you tweak the EVs to Make it hold?
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Cresselia perhaps? It lols at SpecsMence and Garchomp who would have fun with your team ._.
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I considered Regice. and for the EV thing, i meant princes McIcys Subs.
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Old December 23rd, 2007 (8:50 PM). Edited December 23rd, 2007 by Waker of Chaos.
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Anybody have anything for Leafion?
Leafeon @ Leftovers; Leaf Guard
Jolly; 132 HP, 160 Attack, 216 Speed
Leaf Blade
Grasswhistle
Swords Dance
Baton Pass

Obvious, but effective. You can use Roar instead of Grasswhistle if you like, but I personally don't like going second just to force my opponent to switch randomly.

Leafeon @ Choice Band; Leaf Guard
Adamant; 252 Attack, 220 Speed, 38 HP
Leaf Blade
X-Scissor
Aerial Ace
Return/Quick Attack

This isn't as good, but it can work in the right circumstances.
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I noted something on the Mix-Gengar. I found a way to make its subs not breakable by Blissey Beam; Light Screen. I saw and have have proof of it happening, so if you are to run the anti-Blissey Gengar, then get a Light Screener.

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Leafeon @ Leftovers; Leaf Guard
Jolly; 132 HP, 160 Attack, 216 Speed
Leaf Blade
Grasswhistle
Swords Dance
Baton Pass

Obvious, but effective. You can use Roar instead of Grasswhistle if you like, but I personally don't like going second just to force my opponent to switch randomly.

Leafeon @ Choice Band; Leaf Guard
Adamant; 252 Attack, 220 Speed, 38 HP
Leaf Blade
X-Scissor
Aerial Ace
Return/Quick Attack

This isn't as good, but it can work in the right circumstances.
Would Swords Dance work instead of return if I gave it a jolly nature for the second set?
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I noted something on the Mix-Gengar. I found a way to make its subs not breakable by Blissey Beam; Light Screen. I saw and have have proof of it happening, so if you are to run the anti-Blissey Gengar, then get a Light Screener.

This is just a note of info for who needed it above.
If anyone ever uses a Screener (Pokémon who uses Reflect, Light Screen, or the like), you need to watch out for Brick Break and Defog. Both will shatter Reflect and Light Screen, and Defog works against Mist and Safeguard as well, plus it lowers your evasiveness, meaning inaccurate moves like Fire Blast can hit more often.

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Would U-turn and Swords Dance work instead of return and X-scissor if I gave it a jolly nature for the second set?
You can use Quick Attack instead of Return if you like, but I wouldn't recommend using Swords Dance without Baton Pass. It MIGHT work, but I would need to see the rest of your team.
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Old December 23rd, 2007 (11:21 PM).
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You can use Quick Attack instead of Return if you like, but I wouldn't recommend using Swords Dance without Baton Pass. It MIGHT work, but I would need to see the rest of your team.
Well I'm trying to make a team using just 4th Gen pokemons.

Infernape-Physical Sweeper
Garchomp-Physical-Sweeper
Weavile-Lead
Lucario-Special Sweeper
Porygon-Z-Special Sweeper
Bronzong-Tank

I'm thinking of removing Weavile for somthing that I need more but can't decide..here are some choices..

Spritomb-gengar/azelf/alakazam counter
Roserade-Cleric
Leafion-baton passer

Any suggestions?
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Well I'm trying to make a team using just 4th Gen pokemons.

Infernape-Physical Sweeper
Garchomp-Physical-Sweeper
Weavile-Lead
Lucario-Special Sweeper
Porygon-Z-Special Sweeper
Bronzong-Tank

I'm thinking of removing Weavile for somthing that I need more but can't decide..here are some choices..

Spritomb-gengar/azelf/alakazam counter
Roserade-Cleric
Leafion-baton passer

Any suggestions?
A curselax could fit in to make the team even,two tanks phy sweepers and two sp sweepers.
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Well I'm trying to make a team using just 4th Gen pokemons.

Infernape-Physical Sweeper
Garchomp-Physical-Sweeper
Weavile-Lead
Lucario-Special Sweeper
Porygon-Z-Special Sweeper
Bronzong-Tank

I'm thinking of removing Weavile for somthing that I need more but can't decide..here are some choices..

Spritomb-gengar/azelf/alakazam counter
Roserade-Cleric
Leafion-baton passer

Any suggestions?
I'd change Weavile for Spiritomb as lead.
If you really want Leafeon, switch for Infernape because at least then,
instead of having 2 physical sweepers, one can at least baton pass it on.
You're missing a special wall in there..
Could use a Blissey/Cressy instead of Lucario, because you don't need 2 special sweepers.
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I'd change Weavile for Spiritomb as lead.
If you really want Leafeon, switch for Infernape because at least then,
instead of having 2 physical sweepers, one can at least baton pass it on.
You're missing a special wall in there..
Could use a Blissey/Cressy instead of Lucario, because you don't need 2 special sweepers.
Spiritomb can act as a special wall.
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Spiritomb can act as a special wall.
Doesn't have enough HP to do so, unlike Blissey, Cresselia or Snorlax.
But makes a good starter.
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I'm going to go with curselax for the last pokemon....what's the moveset for it anyways (sorry I know I'm an idiot)?
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I'm going to go with curselax for the last pokemon....what's the moveset for it anyways (sorry I know I'm an idiot)?
Snorlax @ Leftovers; Thick Fat
Careful; 216 Special Defense, 136 HP, 44 Attack, 12 Defense
Body Slam
Earthquake/Crunch/Fire Punch
Curse
Rest/Selfdestruct

There you go.
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Need a moveset for Skarm Empoleon.


Edit: and also a Gyarados lead moveset.
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Old December 24th, 2007 (4:38 AM). Edited December 24th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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As to my mix Gengar thread which got locked up. I was thinking

Lonely nature
Sub
Focus punch
Shadow ball
Thunderbolt

I need help where to place the EV's and how many.

What your looking for is this.

You dont need to sub-punch it if you can predict.


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204 Atk / 54 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Shadow ball
- Explosion
- Focus Punch
- Thunderbolt

Focus Punch OHKOS T-TAR, 2HKOS Blissey.

Explosion OHKO's Blissey 100% of the time.


Please dont use this on me EVER, i think you know why i'd hate it.



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Need a moveset for Skarm Empoleon.


Edit: and also a Gyarados lead moveset.
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Adamant Nature
212 HP / 16 ATT / 180 DEF / 100 SPEED
- Ice Fang / Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt

Bulky Gyarados.

Stone edge and Waterfall. OR Ice Fang and Earthquake work best together in terms of coverage.

Dragon Dance is self explanitory

Taunt stops skarm from whirlwinding you and stops will-o-wisp and other status.

Evs allow for or 384 HP / 319 Atk / 239 Def / 223 Speed.

348 hp evs allows for optimal leftovers recovery.

16 att evs allow to be granted a bonus point in att with only 12 evs it would have 317, but with 16 it gets 319.

223 speed evs lets it outrun a jolly max speed garchomp after a single dragon dance.


As for empoleon


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Calm Nature
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot / Protect / Hidden power Electric
~ Yawn / Roar / Stealth Rock

good specs mence counter.

Surf and Ice Beam for stab and coverage.

Grass Knot will do alot to bulky waters coming in to wall you.

Protect for scouting.

Hidden power Electric also for bulky waters, especially gyarados.

Yawn and roar allow for psuedo hazing.

Stealth Rock is for team support.

OR Agilipoleon

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72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
~ Agility
~ Surf / Hydro Pump
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot

404 speed after a single agility, as well as having around 460 sp.att with the life orb. Works well for last game sweeps
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yeah any1 got a good healbell articuno set?????
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If anyone ever uses a Screener (Pokémon who uses Reflect, Light Screen, or the like), you need to watch out for Brick Break and Defog. Both will shatter Reflect and Light Screen, and Defog works against Mist and Safeguard as well, plus it lowers your evasiveness, meaning inaccurate moves like Fire Blast can hit more often.
Well, Gengar works very well with Light Screen due to the fact that they must switch to something with Defog only. You can't Brick Break Gengar without Scrappy, and only Miltank is used in that situation. Also, I've never seen a pokemon use Defog in a competitive battle.
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yeah any1 got a good healbell articuno set?????
I totally didn't steal Anti's ;D

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EVs: 252 HP / 64 SAtk / 192 SDef
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Well, Gengar works very well with Light Screen due to the fact that they must switch to something with Defog only. You can't Brick Break Gengar without Scrappy, and only Miltank is used in that situation. Also, I've never seen a pokemon use Defog in a competitive battle.
Because Defog's main function is only lowering evasiveness. People prefer Brick Break because it does damage, and decent damage at that.
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I have a shiny bronzong and its a relaxed nature. its ivs are:

26/10/10/19/7/7

BUT it has hp ice 69. i need a moveset and ev spread that is good sweeper+team support.
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Is this a good 3rd gen Raichu moveset,

Raichu @ Leftovers
Static
Hasty Nature
252Atk / 150Spd / 108SAtk
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- Agility
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ice / Grass]
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Raichu @ Leftovers
Static
Hasty Nature
252Atk / 150Spd / 108SAtk
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- Agility
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ice / Grass]
yeah but if you want to get focus punch in you might want a move that either lowers a stat or thunder wave to distract them for that turn.
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Could I use Substitue over Agility?
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Could I use Substitue over Agility?
That would work, making it a subpuncher variant quite obviously...
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