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Old December 22nd, 2005 (10:33 AM). Edited December 29th, 2005 by Squarewalker.
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Heracross (F) @ Leftovers ** Horn Weak
Trait: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 68 Def / 136 Spd / 96 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

This thing makes a decent starter imo, since no one leads with Salamence anymore anyway. Sleep activates guts, giving it CB-like attack. In other words: gg.

Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meteor Miss
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 164 Def / 136 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit
- Thunderpunch

lol, well Pursuit because this team has some major gengar problems, t-punch to 2HKO Skarm. Relaxed nature, because it's my only normal resist, and I don't want things like Tauros to 6-0 this team. :/

Donphan (F) @ Leftovers ** Earthwalker
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Sponges DDtar/Mence/etc hits. HP Rock because it can't afford to miss.

Regice @ Leftovers ** Sup Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 140 Def / 88 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psych Up
- Rest
- Thunderbolt

Special wall. Psych up is awesome to screw over the huge number of CM Celebis running around wild in the current metagame.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Aquatic Wave
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Def / 56 SAtk / 44 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Charm
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

Wish support. Charm annoys the hell out of cursers like Snorlax and Swampert.

Salamence (F) @ Leftovers ** Wyvern
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 248 Atk / 16 Def / 140 Spd / 20 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Hydro Pump

A cool late-game sweeper. Hydro Pump ****s over the common Claydol/Donphan switch-ins, and it hurts Skarm also. Has enough speed to outspeed adamant Heracross when un-DD'd.


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Old December 22nd, 2005 (2:26 PM).
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a little more SAtk on Meta IMO. I swear Donphan needs Rock Slide. I really don't know why, it just NEEDs it more than HP Rock, despite accuracy disadvantage. Here's another spread for donphan I've been meaning to use if u want it:

192 HP / 64 Atk / 252 Def

Still gets max lefties iirc, but packs a little more punch.
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Old December 22nd, 2005 (3:04 PM).
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a little more SAtk on Meta IMO. I swear Donphan needs Rock Slide. I really don't know why, it just NEEDs it more than HP Rock, despite accuracy disadvantage. Here's another spread for donphan I've been meaning to use if u want it:

192 HP / 64 Atk / 252 Def

Still gets max lefties iirc, but packs a little more punch.
Umby HP [Rock] only has 5 less power.:\
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Old December 22nd, 2005 (3:07 PM).
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I know all the statistics, but sometimes you gotta battle on feeling as well. And I feel that Donphan has a need for Slide.
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Old December 22nd, 2005 (3:08 PM). Edited December 29th, 2005 by Mullet.
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I know all the statistics, but sometimes you gotta battle on feeling as well. And I feel that Donphan has a need for Slide.
Big deal it can make the opponet flinch like 10% of the time.

Also Squarewalker I hate RMTs, lol.
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Old December 22nd, 2005 (3:10 PM).
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Don't try and make a deal out of it, I just said its a feeling. And IMO 5% power CAN go a decent way vs. Intimidate.
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Don't try and make a deal out of it, I just said its a feeling. And IMO 5% power CAN go a decent way vs. Intimidate.
I know, I'm just saying. It does make somewhat of a difference.:\
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Until someone comes up with a damage calculation that shows Rock Slide>HP:Rock against something (like 2HKOing vs. 3HKOing or something like that), unless you like having a minute chance at flinching Skarm or w/e on the Roar while risking accuracy against everything, the majority of us will continue using HP:Rock.
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pretty solid team imo

but, vappy won't be able to take CBmence hits all day, actually I think yours is 2hko'ed, or barely saved from that fate

well anyway mence can really open this team up, gyarados can mess this up aswell
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Old December 23rd, 2005 (3:36 AM).
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a little more SAtk on Meta IMO. I swear Donphan needs Rock Slide. I really don't know why, it just NEEDs it more than HP Rock, despite accuracy disadvantage. Here's another spread for donphan I've been meaning to use if u want it:

192 HP / 64 Atk / 252 Def

Still gets max lefties iirc, but packs a little more punch.
Gross doesn't need any more SAtk, as with 136 SAtk EVs, T-punch is a guaranteed 2HKO on Skarm with no SDef EVs, and Pursuit 3HKOs Gengar iirc.

Donphan doesn't need Rock Slide, because 5 less or more power doesn't make that much of a difference, and it is way too slow to flinch anything (anything that's slower than it, it should rather EQ than Rock Slide in the first place anyway). I rather prefer max HP on it, to take more recovery from Wishes, as well as to switch into CBMence hits a tad better.

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pretty solid team imo

but, vappy won't be able to take CBmence hits all day, actually I think yours is 2hko'ed, or barely saved from that fate

well anyway mence can really open this team up, gyarados can mess this up aswell
Well, I won't be switching in Vappy in on CBMence hits anyway. Metagross and Donphan can switch into HP Flys and Rock Slides, while I can switch in my own Mence on EQs and Fire Blasts.

Gyarados isn't really a problem either, since Donphan pretty much walls it, and Regice can also kinda take care of it.
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Heracross (F) @ Leftovers ** Horn Weak
Trait: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 252 Spd / 48 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

This thing makes a decent starter imo, since no one leads with Salamence anymore anyway. Sleep activates guts, giving it CB-like attack. In other words: gg.

fine

Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meteor Miss
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 164 Def / 136 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit
- Thunderpunch

lol, well Pursuit because this team has some major gengar problems, t-punch to 2HKO Skarm. Relaxed nature, because it's my only normal resist, and I don't want things like Tauros to 6-0 this team. :/

cool set

Donphan (F) @ Leftovers ** Earthwalker
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Sponges DDtar/Mence/etc hits. HP Rock because it can't afford to miss.

a little less defense and more attack

Regice @ Leftovers ** Sup Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 140 Def / 88 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psych Up
- Rest
- Thunderbolt

i'd use bold. psych up is way situational. i used psych up for awhile and then thunder wave and thunder wave works so much better...

Special wall. Psych up is awesome to screw over the huge number of CM Celebis running around wild in the current metagame.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Aquatic Wave
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Charm
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

Wish support. Charm annoys the hell out of cursers like Snorlax and Swampert.

i'd use a spiker on this team to piss off cursers even more

Salamence (F) @ Leftovers ** Wyvern
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 248 Atk / 16 Def / 140 Spd / 20 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Hydro Pump

A cool late-game sweeper. Hydro Pump ****s over the common Claydol/Donphan switch-ins, and it hurts Skarm also. Has enough speed to outspeed adamant Heracross when un-DD'd.

hydro pump sounds cool


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Old December 29th, 2005 (11:01 AM). Edited December 29th, 2005 by Squarewalker.
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I like max def on Donphan, not like it is going to attack that much anyway, as it is usually swiftly met with a physical wall.

Psych Up might seem to be a bit situational on Regice, but then I'd have Jirachi problems. Also ****s up Roarless Suicune, Celebi, Raikou and a bunch of other CMers, which is cool. T-wave isn't that useful on Regice imo, seeing as the common special walls don't mind getting para'd.
Bold might work, but it has enough Def imo. Currently is survives 3 HP Flys from Mence iirc.

And there isn't really any room for a spiker. =/
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more defense vappy is better for takign on 'mence' and 'gross' :mgmr:
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Heracross (F) @ Leftovers ** Horn Weak
Trait: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 252 Spd / 48 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

after the first attack i can tell it's not a CBer and deal with it a lot easier now i know it has no choice band, also run defence on it


Metagross @ Leftovers ** Meteor Miss
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 76 HP / 132 Atk / 164 Def / 136 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit
- Thunderpunch

k

Donphan (F) @ Leftovers ** Earthwalker
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

bit more attack so you can actually dent dusclops on the switch


Regice @ Leftovers ** Sup Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 140 Def / 88 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psych Up
- Rest
- Thunderbolt

k

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Aquatic Wave
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Charm
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

max defence, only needs 440 hp


Salamence (F) @ Leftovers ** Wyvern
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 248 Atk / 16 Def / 140 Spd / 20 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Hydro Pump

using hydro pump without enough SAtk evs doesn't 2hko claydol
can't think of anything to waste 25 whole characters
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Old December 30th, 2005 (12:01 AM).
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k using max def on vappy, gave cross some def as well as pumped up the sdef stat a bit more and using some atk evs on donphan now.
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