Digimon... With a Twist.

Started by SBaby January 1st, 2006 5:06 PM
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I just found this sweet music video. It's basically footage from all the Digimon series' and movies with various Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny music in the background. The whole thing's like 2 minutes and the majority of it is footage never seen in the US version of Digimon. Anyway...

Warning: Some Violence.

http://youtube.com/watch.php?v=4tKDQsJMbdA&search=gundam

Kid's show, huh? Nice try, Ban Dai...
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Actaully, Digimon was aimed at Teens in Japan.... ^^; I'll take alook at the music video in a sec. ^^ I've always liked Digimon.

Edit: That was just a bunch of clips from different Digimon movies. Awesome movies too. The english dub of the Digimon movie was actually the first three Digimon movies all sliced up and thrown into one. They were incrediably shortened, and the plot was changed a LOT. I've seen all three of them, they were awesome seperatly. Runaway Locomon was awesome... Ruki got possessed by the virus and beat the crap outta Renaman with a lead pipe... T-T ..it was sad, but amusing.


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I just found this sweet music video. It's basically footage from all the Digimon series' and movies with various Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny music in the background. The whole thing's like 2 minutes and the majority of it is footage never seen in the US version of Digimon. Anyway...

Warning: Some Violence.

http://youtube.com/watch.php?v=4tKDQsJMbdA&search=gundam

Kid's show, huh? Nice try, Ban Dai...
Digimon is a kid's show. <___<

Just because it has some blood and some of the things are more mature doesn't mean it isn't. It's sole purpose was to sell toys and cards. It's a kid's show in America, it's a kid's show in Japan. All four seasons were aimed at the same demo. Most of the Digmon movies were weakly paced and little more than a blown up episode for the big screen. There isn't anything really that stands out about any of them. Movie 6 and 8 are the only ones that are really good, there others just weren't worth it.

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Aw, I like like most of the movies. Though I wasnt too fond of the Frontier movies....Digimon Frontier wasn't my favorite season.... except...Kouji was cool...


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It's an area that no one else can fill
The night's never gonna be the same.

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Digimon is a kid's show. <___<

Just because it has some blood and some of the things are more mature doesn't mean it isn't. It's sole purpose was to sell toys and cards. It's a kid's show in America, it's a kid's show in Japan. All four seasons were aimed at the same demo. Most of the Digmon movies were weakly paced and little more than a blown up episode for the big screen. There isn't anything really that stands out about any of them. Movie 6 and 8 are the only ones that are really good, there others just weren't worth it.
LOL. I agree on some parts with what you say. The Digimon series was originally intended as a marketing scheme, primarily aimed toward selling their handheld virtual pets in Japan. While Japan had a few action figures from 01 and 02, many of the others were marketed by BanDai of America, and not BanDai of Japan. I mean, when you look on the bottom of some of them, you won't find 'made in Japan' written.

Anyway, once Digimon got past the Adventure 01 and 02 series, the whole focus changed. The show was way more successful than Japan originally planned it to be, and even picked up a cult following by older viewers (much like Pokemon). With the new successes, they (BanDai) tried to expand the audience from kids to more traditional Anime fans by making the series a bit darker with Tamers. They still made references to 01 and 02, like the teacher being Kari and Ryo being Ken's brother, but for the most part it was original.

Frontier (season 4) was supposed to be an experiment of sorts and an attempt to expand the audience. Low ratings brought the experiment to an abrupt halt after Season 4 (which was originally planned for 100 Episodes, but cut to 50). That's why you see 'The End' at the end of the last episode, instead of 'To Be Continued'. Initially, BanDai of America was thinking about continuing Frontier, but BanDai of Japan shot it down. Remember the aborted Digimon Force Three idea? The story as many already know didn't even refer to the original team of characters. They were already dead by the time the story started. It wouldn't have worked, period. So, there won't be a continuation of Season 4.

As for the movies, I actually only managed to see the subs. I heard they were shown on Toon Disney awhile back, but I don't know when that was. The above footage with Omnimon and Imperialdramon was from Revenge of Diaboromon. The above footage with the Tamers was Runaway Locomon. And don't even get me started with Island of the Lost Digimon... That movie was so irritating... Almost as much as the US version of Digimon: The Movie slapping 3 Japanese movies together and calling it one movie.

Going slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless, I found out that Runaway Locomon actually takes place about 8 or 9 months after a planned continuation of Tamers (does 'to be continued?' ring a bell to anyone?). You might have heard of Milleniumon, the alter-ego of Ryo's partner Digimon (it's referred to a bit in the US version, and in droves in the Japanese version). The continuation was supposed to deal with Ryo and the other Tamers having to fight an out of control Milleniumon, 4 years after the events of the D-Reaper (4 years, where have we heard this before?). And Ryo was going to have to come to terms with the possibility that he may have to destroy his own partner Digimon.

Unfortunately, it got shelved when the Digimon series went on hiatus after Season 4. It was the closest to actually being used before it was shelved. Even still, I'd be willing to bet money (a small amount since I'm not rich) that one of the new seasons might cover this continuation, and what happens to the characters during it.
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Aw, I like like most of the movies. Though I wasnt too fond of the Frontier movies....Digimon Frontier wasn't my favorite season.... except...Kouji was cool...
Yeah, Kouji was cool but other then that I didn't like fronteir that much.
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LOL. I agree on some parts with what you say. The Digimon series was originally intended as a marketing scheme, primarily aimed toward selling their handheld virtual pets in Japan. While Japan had a few action figures from 01 and 02, many of the others were marketed by BanDai of America, and not BanDai of Japan. I mean, when you look on the bottom of some of them, you won't find 'made in Japan' written.
Of course not, you'll find 'Made in China' on almost every one of them, even the ones in Japan. It's a known fact that BoA milks everything they have more than their Japanese counterpart, but in this case that was almost nill.

Anyway, once Digimon got past the Adventure 01 and 02 series, the whole focus changed. The show was way more successful than Japan originally planned it to be, and even picked up a cult following by older viewers (much like Pokemon). With the new successes, they (BanDai) tried to expand the audience from kids to more traditional Anime fans by making the series a bit darker with Tamers. They still made references to 01 and 02, like the teacher being Kari and Ryo being Ken's brother, but for the most part it was original.
Tamers was plugged as a series with deep under laying mature tones and plots, but still light enough to appeal to children. BadDai makes toys, not the anime so they had no say in that. The people that did make Digimon tried to expand the fan base while keeping in mind that kids are the number one demographic for the show.

Frontier (season 4) was supposed to be an experiment of sorts and an attempt to expand the audience. Low ratings brought the experiment to an abrupt halt after Season 4 (which was originally planned for 100 Episodes, but cut to 50). That's why you see 'The End' at the end of the last episode, instead of 'To Be Continued'. Initially, BanDai of America was thinking about continuing Frontier, but BanDai of Japan shot it down. Remember the aborted Digimon Force Three idea? The story as many already know didn't even refer to the original team of characters. They were already dead by the time the story started. It wouldn't have worked, period. So, there won't be a continuation of Season 4.
Digimon Force Three went ahead, it was never planned as an anime though. It was a manga/toyline that had a good deal of success, mainly in China though. Frontier at the most was planned to be 56 episodes, never 100 as TOEI didn't and still doesn't have that much money to drop into one season without more or less knowing that it will make them money. Sentai at the time as popular in Japan, more so than it had been in the past few years, the Digimon team saw this as a way to cash in on that and they tried it. It failed of course, I like the season myself, but I can see why it failed. The only humans we ever saw for more than three episodes were the main six. The ones that showed up later on left as soon as they came. There was little chance for character interaction and that bored kids.

As for the movies, I actually only managed to see the subs. I heard they were shown on Toon Disney awhile back, but I don't know when that was. The above footage with Omnimon and Imperialdramon was from Revenge of Diaboromon. The above footage with the Tamers was Runaway Locomon. And don't even get me started with Island of the Lost Digimon... That movie was so irritating... Almost as much as the US version of Digimon: The Movie slapping 3 Japanese movies together and calling it one movie.
Fox Kids didn't have enough money at the time and those movies are not long enough to be shown on their own, not even in Japan, probably the reason they were coupled with the One Piece movies. The English dubs of the last four movies were pretty good, three of the four aired almost uncut.

Going slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless, I found out that Runaway Locomon actually takes place about 8 or 9 months after a planned continuation of Tamers (does 'to be continued?' ring a bell to anyone?). You might have heard of Milleniumon, the alter-ego of Ryo's partner Digimon (it's referred to a bit in the US version, and in droves in the Japanese version). The continuation was supposed to deal with Ryo and the other Tamers having to fight an out of control Milleniumon, 4 years after the events of the D-Reaper (4 years, where have we heard this before?). And Ryo was going to have to come to terms with the possibility that he may have to destroy his own partner Digimon.
Milleniumon was never an alter ego of Ryo's partner. He was an enemy in the Wonderswan games that starred Ken and Ryo, in that series Ryo's partner was a V-Mon I believe. The continuation of Tamers was also only a passing thing, it never got past a brief memo at the most, like I've said, Digimon was primarily aimed at children, so stories going longer than one season won't appeal to children as much. It works with anime like Pokemon because you don't need to see past episodes to get the story, not so with Digimon. That's one of the main reasons why season two got so low ratings...aside from the horrible story and dropped arcs.
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Milleniumon was never an alter ego of Ryo's partner. He was an enemy in the Wonderswan games that starred Ken and Ryo, in that series Ryo's partner was a V-Mon I believe. The continuation of Tamers was also only a passing thing, it never got past a brief memo at the most, like I've said, Digimon was primarily aimed at children, so stories going longer than one season won't appeal to children as much.
Sorry about the length, but it's out of necessity.

Keep in mind that the Wonderswan games take place before the events of 02 and Tamers, respectively (Ryo's already missing in 02). Though they do tie into Tamers to an extent, they leave some things out. The games were originally intended to tie Digimon Adventure 01 and 02 together with Tamers. Also remember that back then, there were no definite plans to even make a continuation of Tamers (until Season 3 ended).

Here's the thing to think about. If Tamers and Adventure 01 and 02 are tied together, then how is it that the two worlds (Tamers and Adventure) are so different? For that matter, where are Ryo's parents (and Ken for that matter)? They don't even make so much as a reference to them.

As far as Veemon is concerned, there is talk that it may be the one Daisuke/Davis has in 02, but that's just a rumor, so I can't confirm it 100 percent. It does seem likely though. Assuming Tamers is continued (which is still up in the air), if BanDai goes with the arc I know of, Veemon will in fact be the same one that Davis had. Also, Ryo will have quite a shock to deal with.

This is a general timeline of the games that Ryo is in.

1) Ryo has gotten his Digivice sometime before or during Season 1 of the anime, at least it looks that way from the first Wonderswan game package where he shows up with Taichi. However, he's also shown to have gotten another (Digivice) in Tag Tamers, which takes place immediately after the Omegamon vs. Diablomon battle in one of the movies. Also, in "Bokura no Wargame" he's shown in the same outfit he wore while adventuring with Taichi, but in Tag Tamers he wears the blue pseudo-military shirt and green cargo pants he keeps during Tag and D-1 Tamers. Yes, it's nitpicking, but what the hey.

2) For the extent of the games, Ryo's digimon partners tend to vary, so he never sticks to one for long. In Tag Tamers, his partner of the moment was a V-mon who later Jogress/DNA evolved with Ken's Wormmon into Paildramon. No one knows whether this is the same V-mon that Daisuke/Davis has other than the creators. But events seem to point in that direction.

3) Where does Ryo end up disappearing to after D-1 Tamers, anyway? Some fans think that he's either a military brat in the real world or a lone traveller in the Digital World. Again, who knows but the creators. It does offer some interesting fanfic possibilities, however.


As for Milleniumon. All four games (Anode/Cathode Tamer, Tag Tamers, D-1 Tamers, Brave Tamer) had to do in some way with defeating Milleniumon. In each, he reincarnated in a different form. Here is where the Wonderswan games start to tie into 02. After the events of Tag Tamers, is when Milleniumon spread his Dark Seeds in 02. If you remember, one was intended for Ryo, but Ken pushed him out of the way and took the hit instead, essentially creating the Digimon Emperor.

At the end of D-1 Tamers (which is assumed to be where the Tamers Series begins), Milleniumon mentions a bond with Ryo as being the reason he keeps coming back. He says he is 'the shadow to Ryo's light' and that one cannot exist without the other. What this means is anyone's guess, but that would explain why Milleniumon keeps coming back.

It's in Brave Tamer that his personality is truly shown. No longer can he be considered just a mindless killer, he is shown with motives that suggest significant foresight. He is brilliantly intelligent in his plots and speaks in a rather cultured manner, yet doesn't seem to have a good handle on reality. Despite the revelation of his love for Ryo (he refers to Ryo as his beloved near the end of Brave Tamer), he doesn't seem to understand that his games have a damaging impact on the boy and believes that they are doomed to battle each other for eternity. He is capricious when he wants to be, vindictive, obsessive, megalomanic and egocetric. He also displays the true depth of his obsession.

*Timeline and game info from Polar's Digimon Land and syldra.net.

Out of this, I can gather these things:

1: Milleniumon is NOT dead.
2: Milleniumon can appear any time and in any form.
3: Milleniumon believes Ryo and he are doomed to battle for eternity.
4: Milleniumon cannot exist without Ryo and vice-versa.
5: Veemon may be the one Davis has.
6: Veemon is not Ryo's current partner.

Milleniumon wasn't originally an alter-ego of Ryo's partner Digimon. In my haste, I left out a few lines of what I was going to type. In the version of the Tamers Continuation from above, he was going to reincarnate within Monodramon. That was supposed to bring up the whole 'heroes having to fight their friend' scenario. Of course, this part is just rumor anyway, so it may not even mean anything.
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