Should Pokmon make a true leap into 3D?

Started by phunboy January 11th, 2006 3:41 AM
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Should Pokmon make a true leap into 3D?

MD
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Now I know what your saying, what about the Pokmon Stadium and Colosseum Series as they made the leap into 3D.

But all in all they weren't true leaps in my opinion as they didn't offer a true Pokmon game experience.

The Pokmon Stadium Series was a nice supplement to the games and Pokmon Colosseum Series had some exploration and story but nothing compared to the portable games we all love.

So do you all think they should make a true leap and give us a 3D version of the portable games we love?

I say yes because look at so many popular game series that made the leap such as Zelda and Final Fantasy.

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I'd have to disagree. You see, it is because it is so simple in nature, and 2D, that the Pokmon portable games are so popular. I know loads of people who'd bite your head off if they saw this...
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I'd have to disagree. You see, it is because it is so simple in nature, and 2D, that the Pokmon portable games are so popular. I know loads of people who'd bite your head off if they saw this...
Same reasoning here too.

Pokemon should be 2D anytime.
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Stadium, Stadium GS, Colosseum and XD were not 3D O.o They were 2D... They just had 3d graphics... 3D is when you can look everywhere you want with the camera. In these game the camera was not moving manually but automaticly... So actually they were not 3D.
Anyway I also think Pokemon Prortalble have to be 2d. However, a nice 3D Pokemon expierience in REVO wouldn't be sth bad though ;) Just thing a Pokemon 3D MMORPG. XD
MD
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Anyway I also think Pokemon Prortalble have to be 2d. However, a nice 3D Pokemon expierience in REVO wouldn't be sth bad though ;) Just thing a Pokemon 3D MMORPG. XD
Well, I never said to change that as I meant to go truly 3D in consoles/PC and not the portables as 2D is perfect for the portables.

As for a MMORPG, well I made a thread about that before this so check it out if you like.

And just so you all don't get me wrong, I love the 2D style when it comes to the portables which is the bread & butter of the series but I am just saying that they should throw us a 3D game on the consoles here and there as I love to play one if it was like the 2D games i.e. not like the Pokmon Stadium and Colosseum Series.
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Without being a nitpicking nerd about the relation of 3-D and 2-D graphics I'll give my opinion. It may be a good idea if you could still hook up your GBAs or DS' to the game. But you'd have to make a stand alone game, one which every Pokemon was in, and WILD Pokemon. Even with the Revolution, Nintendo's probably going to be too lazy to do this. So, if any more 3-D Pokemon games come out, they'll always play like Colosseum or XD.
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The Graphics Now Are Fine Keep It 3d It Would Ruin It If It Was 3d
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I voted maybe, simply because if everything went 3D, people would miss the 2D Pokemon games. They could do like Zelda, and make 3D and 2D games simultaneously. (i.e. The Minish Cap, 2005, GBA (2D), Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, April 4th, 2006, NGC (3D))

However, the first 3D handheld Zelda for the DS should be coming out either late 2006 or early 2007. So....

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I voted maybe, simply because if everything went 3D, people would miss the 2D Pokemon games. They could do like Zelda, and make 3D and 2D games simultaneously. (i.e. The Minish Cap, 2005, GBA (2D), Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, April 4th, 2006, NGC (3D))

However, the first 3D handheld Zelda for the DS should be coming out either late 2006 or early 2007. So....
Like I said before I am not saying they should abandon there 2D roots on the handhelds I am just saying they should make a 3D game on the consoles that is like the experience in the 2D games therefore not the Pokmon Stadium and Colosseum Series.

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If they did they should defenitley make it different to the collseum and gale of darkness formula, (which was just side scrolling 2d with 3d graphics). Make it like a true rpg in 3d like zelda, but continue releasing it on hand helds as then you trade easier and the battle system works better. P.S Colloseum sucks.
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Make it like a true rpg in 3d like zelda, but continue releasing it on hand helds as then you trade easier and the battle system works better. P.S Colloseum sucks.
Yes, that is what I was talking about as it be like how Zelda made the leap and I think we can all agree Zelda making the leap was awesome.

Pretty much I want them to do it just like they did with there Zelda franchise, as in make a leap to 3D but still maintain the great 2D games on the handhelds as I never want to see a 3D handheld game.

And I think that's where some people go me wrong as they thought I meant to make the leap on the handhelds and I never said for them to make the leap on the handhelds as I insinuated the leap to be done on the consoles as that is where they need to do it.

I just want a 3D version of the 2D Pokmon game experience.
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I would love to see a Online version of a Pokemon game for the Nintendo Revloution.

This way the pokemon team could update new pokemon, pokemon spots and gym leaders.

No more Netbattle, Online would give you the true run for your money. You could create what your character looks like and possibly pick from any of the 9 starters that way you never know who your opponet may have.

I would also like to see a World of Warcraft like structure. The pokemon team could create Quest's and Mission's other then strait battling. They could also give players the chance to actually be breeders intead of battlers.

There is alot more I could add but I know this will be very unlikely to happen.
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I would love to see a Online version of a Pokemon game for the Nintendo Revloution.

This way the pokemon team could update new pokemon, pokemon spots and gym leaders.

No more Netbattle, Online would give you the true run for your money. You could create what your character looks like and possibly pick from any of the 9 starters that way you never know who your opponet may have.

I would also like to see a World of Warcraft like structure. The pokemon team could create Quest's and Mission's other then strait battling. They could also give players the chance to actually be breeders intead of battlers.

There is alot more I could add but I know this will be very unlikely to happen.
Ya me too, me personally I like to see a MMORPG version of the game as I stated in my thread about the subject. Though Nintendo is so fickle about change I doubt they make one or by the time they did it be too late.

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They need to make the 3-d Versions a mix between The GBA versions, XD and Stadium; a Storyline with gyms, minigames, Pokemon School, and gyms with more of a challenge than those in the storyline. Heck they could even have the GBA connect to the GCN and have them interact like they did in Luigi's Mansion or Mickey's MAgic Mirror.

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They need to make the 3-d Versions a mix between The GBA versions, XD and Stadium; a Storyline with gyms, minigames, Pokemon School, and gyms with more of a challenge than those in the storyline. Heck they could even have the GBA connect to the GCN and have them interact like they did in Luigi's Mansion or Mickey's MAgic Mirror.
Well, of course the storyline and what not would have to get a major overhaul as I think we can all agree though the handheld games are great there very thin when it comes to story. In fact until R/S/E there was really zero story in the games which is why I like that those games finally added some real story.
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I was recently thinking about a new console version of Pokemon. It would take the graphics of XD and Colosseum, but provide gameplay that is reminiscent of the handheld games we have grown to love. Here were my suggestions:

- First off, I would have the game keep the text, but also add the voices. With today's tech and data storage, it is crazy that they didn't add that into XD. Crazy, I tell ya!!

- I want to keep the text, basically because it is a great reading tool for my youngest son. Sounds a little silly, but it is quite effective. Maybe a feature to turn on/off the text.

- My next suggestion would be to make the storyline longer and less structured. Get away from the typical game flow (starter, gym, E4, longass credits, gotta catch em all), and add more side quests. I understand the game is setup to help younger kids stay on course, but that can stay intact while at the same time give them more options. Keep the progression as such that a player can be as quick or as slow as they want.

- On a related note, change how you play the game. The player should be given the option to be a Poke trainer, Poke breeder, Poke researcher, Team Rocket/Aqua/Magma/Snagem/Cipher member, or even a Poke policeman. For instance, a Poke breeder could have their own Day Care, focusing on the breeding aspect, and having other AI/Real players take Pokes to train them.

- While I enjoyed how RSE began, you were still stuck with a choice of your three typical Poke types. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Mix up the types and the number of choices you have. The mixed starter types in RSE was a good start, now just abandon the Fire/Water/Grass fixation and open it up a bit.

- Make the area bigger. Give the player an option of starting in Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Orre, or even Orange. Each region has its own storyline that makes it unique. If you start in one region, give the ability to go to another region (like GSC), but scale back the storyline for that region (like GSC). More playability, more fun.

- Get rid of the National Pokedex limitation. If I want to trade in an Evee with its five evolutions to play the game that way, I should be able to do it. Just because I don't have the NP yet, shouldn't mean I cannot start out with Pokes from other regions.

- Give the option of having a Poke walk/run with you instead of lugging them around in their Poke Cell....errr Ball. I have seen a few screenshots from DP that this might be a reality, but we are talking about our own game here. Plus, if your Poke is big enough (i.e. Growlithe, Fearow, etc.), have an option where you can ride on your Poke instead of walking/running/biking. Flying on a Poke, while still being limited to the boundaries of the route, would simply own.

- With that in mind, instead of totally random Poke encounters in the grass, allow the player to see some of the Pokes roaming around. Sure, you could still get ambushed from time to time, but give more control to the user.

- When you use Fly or Surf or Dive, use the actual Poke pixel, not just a generic one. If I am surfing on a Linoone, I want to see my character on the back of one. Same as Fly.

- Speaking of Fly, allow the user to fly ANYWHERE on the map that they have visited before, not just to a PC or the entrance to the E4. At least to the beginning of any route you have visited.

- Have more random encounters with trainers too. Some can be stationary, but some should be roaming just like you are. Plus, as they are roaming, have their Pokes grow too. Similar to the reporter in RSE. Have the levels of the Pokes be similar to the levels of your own. Oh yeah, have the trainers let their Pokes evolve too. Seeing a Level 50 pre-evolution is just wrong.

- Even though Gyms are typically geared towards a specific type, give Gym Leaders a greater selection of Pokes, allowing them to cover obvious weaknesses. Also, get rid of the AI only using items on a Poke when its HP has reached a pre-determined level. That is too predictable and too easy to get around. Give trainers/leaders traits just as Pokes do. Some trainers use items religiously, some switch out, some are balanced. That would greatly improve the strategy in-game. Currently, players play one way in-game and then when they battle someone else, they try to apply the same techniques and get plastered. While more advanced, this option will make players better.

- Get rid of the E4. It has been played and played and been proven wanting. Not only can you destroy the W(eak)4 50 times, when you go back they act like you are still a challenger. Seriously, how many times do we have to watch Gary complain about losing the title to you right after he won it, even though you have destroyed him 50 times? Instead of the W4, do what the original cartoon had. Colosseum. Once you have all the badges, you go to the Colosseum in the region and battle the REAL way. You could even include the W4 as your last challenge to qualify for the Colosseum, although that seems like a stretch. Maybe if you beat the W4, you get a bye for the first few rounds. That would work.

- Once you are deemed champion of a region, have the game make you defend your title in regular Colosseum battles. Plus, give the option to leave the region and work on becoming champ of another region. Also, once you are champ, have champs from other regions call you for challenges.

- Similar to picking how you want to start the game, allow the player an option on how they want to continue the game. Give an option for the player to become a gym leader. Have the player pick their junior trainers and have regular battles with AI/real players. Also get the numbers of all your challengers so that you can see how they are progressing and let them challenge you again. As I suggested before, while you must have some certain Pokes that fit the type of gym, have the ability to use other Pokes too. Plus, in-between challenges, the player can take their Pokes out to get more experience or to level up new Pokes that you want on the team.

Well, that is a pretty short list of what I would LOVE to see in a new Pokemon game. A game like this would be in a word - WOW.
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A game like this would be in a word - WOW.
That's my point as a game like the one you mentioned would be awesome and it just begs the question what is wrong with Nintendo for not making a game like that yet.

All your ideas I have had in mind as what I like to see in a true 3D game, I personally think they should make two types. One in which its like Zelda in which you start out as a pre-selected characters and going on a specific journey. The second type would be a MMORPG version in which you can make up how you like your character to look, choose an occupation i.e. Trainer, Breeder and so on. And from there pick which region you like to start in though I will say I like to keep the games roots and still have the same ol' 3 starter types as I don't find them to be a snooze fest.

About the world being bigger, in a 3D landscape the world would obviously be made bigger in fact I feel the 2D games areas should be bigger as a town usually only contains a few houses which isn't a town in my opinion as its more like a 6th of a town.

As for what you said about riding your Pokmon, they do that already with your Pokmon that Fly and Surf though I do feel you should be able to fly anywhere as well as also teleport anywhere. Something I thought of was what if you could use Dig to get around like say you get a Diglett to do Dig then you could travel underground to say avoid trainers, wild Pokmon and barriers made with small tree's where you normally have to use CUT.

I like all your ideas and I too have lots more like you do so like to chat more on the subject privately?
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As for what you said about riding your Pokmon, they do that already with your Pokmon that Fly and Surf though I do feel you should be able to fly anywhere as well as also teleport anywhere. ?
What I meant is that instead of Running Shoes or a Bicycle, you could choose to actually ride on the back of one of your appropriate Pokes. Imagine rumbling through a route on the back of an Arcanine or a Rapidash, or even flying through it on the back of a Charizard or Gyarados. As for Fly/Dive/Surf, what I want is to actually ride the Poke that has the move, not a shadow of a bird or the back of a Wailmer.

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As good as that sounds, I'm afraid I don't think Pokemon should go 3D. The slowdown would be awful, and it would take game designers well over a year to finish if they were to do it properly.
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