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Old February 25th, 2006 (1:12 AM).
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No, stop throwing money into this topic! I didn't mean that kind of tip!

But seriously, I haven't really tried working hard on a competitive team, and I'm tired of my friends beating me with the in-game teams that I don't work particularly hard to train. I know I'm basically using the cheapest of cheap strategies, but oh well. My friends use Mewtwo, and that's the one low I will not sink to. This is not the place to make fun of me or flame me for not being very good at forming competitive strategies; do that over PM if you must, but I'd prefer you not. Anyway, here goes, my semi-incomplete team:

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Water Spout
Ice Beam
Thunder
Calm Mind

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Rock Slide
Brick Break
Megahorn (?)
Flamethrower

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Return
Shadow Ball/Brick Break
Curse
Rest

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Psychic
Future Sight
___ Punch
Recover

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Aerial Ace
Brick Break
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower

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Safeguard/Heal Bell
Softboiled
Toxic
Return

I would open with Kyogre and Rhydon; Rhydon would take any and all Electric attacks directed at Kyogre and take no damage, and also take care of little nasties like Shedinja (using Flamethrower) and Pokemon that have high Special Def. Kyogre would sweep the crap out of everything else, only Calm Minding when it really needed that extra boost.

In case this strategy falls apart for some reason, oh crap, out comes my Curselax. Very basic Curselax strategy; Curse up, Rest off any damage, and commence beating. However, I'm not sure if I should go with Brick Break or Shadow Ball.

Alakazam (one of my favorite Pokemon from "the old days") is mainly there to take out nasty fighting types that threaten my team, as well as to dispose of other various threats to my team. I'm not sure what Punch to teach; I am currently leaning towards Fire, as plants are a big threat to me.

Dragonite is one of my favorites, but Salmence can also learn all of these moves; Dragonite exists to take out Fighting- and Dark-types that threaten basically everything on my team except for Kyogre. Should I change it to Salmence?

Lastly, Blissey; I'm not sure whether to go with Heal Bell or Safeguard. Leaning towards Heal Bell because it's better to be able to arrive and fix a problem if I wasn't able to prevent it in the first place. But I'd like some input on how that one looks. This is the Pokemon I'm most iffy about keeping; as much as I love the giant pink egg, there is probably something out there that would better suit my current team. Especially considering that I have that Snorlax up there, too.

This is my first time creating a team using strategy; I have always gone with my policy of All Sweepers (which is most fun to play as, IMO) and I'm tired of being beaten. Any suggestions before I go about making this team? I think that a main issue is speed, as many of these Pokemon are incredibly slow in comparison to the armies of Mewtwos I'll be facing. But I'm not entirely sure what to put there, and what to replace.

Thank you.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (9:20 AM). Edited February 25th, 2006 by Mullet.
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Surf
Ice Beam
Thunder
Calm Mind

Maybe Rest over Ice Beam that way Kyo can tank.

[email protected]Leftovers (Lightningrod ability)
Rock Slide/Rock Blast
Earthquake
Sub
Swords Dance

Rhydon's Sp.atk is much to horrid to use F-thrower. Plus Lax handels Sheddy with Shadowball.


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Return/Body Slam/Earthquake
Shadow Ball
Curse
Rest

Imminity is a better trait IMO since Lax barely takes any damage from Sp.atks anyway. I'm a big fan of Body Slam because with a few Curses is going to do massave damage to a lot of things plus there is always that chance of para-ing the opponet.

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Psychic
Calm Mind
Firse Punch
Thunder/Ice Punch

Calm Mind Zam is a beast the Lefties will help a lot more when you have a few CMs under your belt because it can take hits better.


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Subsistute
Focus Punch
T-bolt
Ice Beam

This is the best set for Nite, about the only thing it can do imo.


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Aromathepry
Softboiled
T-Wave/Ice Beam
Seismic Toss

If your going to use Ice Beam make sure you have quite a bit of special attack, I belive it needs 215 Sp.atk to OHKO Mence with no Sp.def EVs. I doubt any of your friends EV train anyway.
Keep in mind this is from a competitive battling stance. If you have any questions feel free to PM me, I'll reply as so as I get the chance. Hope this helps.
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Even tho mullets dragonite set is probably best,

u can also try :

Dragonite[+Att,-Def]@leftovers
-Dragon dance
-thunder
-earthquake
-HP flying...


I've also seen ppl drop the sub on subpunchboltbeam nite and replaced it with earthquake....
Just to give you some options.

You can use sub on kyogre over either icebeam/thunder.

Always keep Sesmic toss on blissey IMO.If anything, replace twave for ice beam.
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I like Fire Blast/Flamethrower over Thunder on DD Draggy. If you got a Reflect in, that could spell alot of trouble for the opposition, as your team is a BIT frail physically, and it helps Snorlax set up a couple of curses Easier.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (4:51 PM).
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with kyogre, thunder would make more sense.Depends on the team i guess. If you have to battle mewtwo, then u may want to put some extra EVs into SpDef for blissey.
I'd stick another Uber [latias or lugia =)]in if i was you....but thats biased since i just really like ubers for some reason...

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Oh, my friends and I also have a rule where you cannot use more than one of the same Hold Items. Mostly because Leftovers are so cheap.

Should I switch something out for that Blissey? I'm thinking that two Normal-types is bad against teams with lots of fighting-type moves, though I did try to compensate for that with Dragonite and Alakazam.

Also, I'm limiting myself to one Legendary on this team; I'm facing so many legendaries, I want to only use one so I can rub it in their faces later. I don't like to use Jirachi, and my friends also don't let me use my Mew and Celebi because I had to use Actionreplay to get them. I was thinking of putting Zapdos in for awhile, but Dragonite's high Attack attracted me more to it than Zappy. Plus, Kyogre has me covered in beating up Water- and Flying-types.

I was also considering a Houndoom, as my team has little defense against grass-types.

Oh, and I don't like to use Surf and Earthquake in double-battles. I prefer to have more precise attacks that will do more damage to one Pokemon. And besides, I don't want to hit my own Pokemon with Earthquake.
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Oh, my friends and I also have a rule where you cannot use more than one of the same Hold Items. Mostly because Leftovers are so cheap.

Should I switch something out for that Blissey? I'm thinking that two Normal-types is bad against teams with lots of fighting-type moves, though I did try to compensate for that with Dragonite and Alakazam.

Also, I'm limiting myself to one Legendary on this team; I'm facing so many legendaries, I want to only use one so I can rub it in their faces later. I don't like to use Jirachi, and my friends also don't let me use my Mew and Celebi because I had to use Actionreplay to get them. I was thinking of putting Zapdos in for awhile, but Dragonite's high Attack attracted me more to it than Zappy. Plus, Kyogre has me covered in beating up Water- and Flying-types.

I was also considering a Houndoom, as my team has little defense against grass-types.

Oh, and I don't like to use Surf and Earthquake in double-battles. I prefer to have more precise attacks that will do more damage to one Pokemon. And besides, I don't want to hit my own Pokemon with Earthquake.
lol. Leftovers aren't cheap. I get tired of hearing people call things cheap because it annoys them during the battle.

If a team has lots of moves of the same type, then their team obviously will be disabled by one of the members of your team, so you shouldn't worry about Blissey. Just switch it when they try to Brick Break/Cross Chop it.

If you really want something with High attack and is a Flying type, use Salamence. It's got Better speed than Draggy, about the same attack (I think it's one Base Point more), gets Dragon Dance, and has Intimidate which lessens those Fighting moves even more.

Grass types shouldn't be a problem with Alakazam, Salamence/Dragonite on your team. Snorlax and Blissey can be considered a defense against Grass types as well, assuming they don't carry Leech Seed. If you really want a good thing to go against Grass types, use Vileplume/Victreebel/Venusaur, as their STABed Sludge Bombs are a serious threat to other grass types, AND they evade Leech Seed.

Surf and Earthquake are 100% Accuracy. Water Spout may do alot of damage, but if something beats you to the attack, Water Spout's damage will lesson, and you'll be stuck without a good water type move, which would give you a huge advantage since Drizzle is in effect, and Kyogre gets STAB from it. Therefore Surf is usually a better choice than water Spout, especially since it can hit both foes in a double battle. As for EQ, Draggy/Salamence reisist it, and Snorlax can take a couple after a few Curses. If needed, you can use Protect for other things during a Double Battle.

And Ice Demon, I just noticed the Drizzle thing, referring to Fire Blast vs. Thunder on Draggy >_>.
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Always keep Sesmic toss on blissey IMO.If anything, replace twave for ice beam.
Oshi your right. My bad.:P
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However, sometimes you don't want to hit both foes in a Double Battle. Water Absorb is a huge menace to Surfers.
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However, sometimes you don't want to hit both foes in a Double Battle. Water Absorb is a huge menace to Surfers.
Only Vaporeon, Mantine, and Quagsire have those. Quagsire can be taken out by other means, and Vaporeon and Mantine will have to deal with Drizzle+Thunder. Even still, just ATTEMPTING hitting both opponents would still be more benificial than concentrating on just one.
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No, stop throwing money into this topic! I didn't mean that kind of tip!

But seriously, I haven't really tried working hard on a competitive team, and I'm tired of my friends beating me with the in-game teams that I don't work particularly hard to train. I know I'm basically using the cheapest of cheap strategies, but oh well. My friends use Mewtwo, and that's the one low I will not sink to. This is not the place to make fun of me or flame me for not being very good at forming competitive strategies; do that over PM if you must, but I'd prefer you not. Anyway, here goes, my semi-incomplete team:

[email protected]???Leftovers
Water Spout
Ice Beam
Thunder
Calm Mind

[email protected]??? (Lightningrod ability) Leftovers
Rock Slide
Brick Break
Megahorn (?)
Flamethrower Rock slide already kills Sheddy. HP Ghost maybe.

[email protected] Berry (Thick Fat)
Return
Shadow Ball/Brick Break
Curse
Rest

[email protected]??? Leftovers
Psychic
Future Sight Reflect
Fire Punch
Recover

[email protected]???Leftovers
Aerial Ace T/Bolt
Brick Break I/Beam
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower

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Safeguard/Heal Bell
Softboiled
Toxic I/Beam
Return S Toss

I would open with Kyogre and Rhydon; Rhydon would take any and all Electric attacks directed at Kyogre and take no damage, and also take care of little nasties like Shedinja (using Flamethrower) and Pokemon that have high Special Def. Kyogre would sweep the crap out of everything else, only Calm Minding when it really needed that extra boost.

In case this strategy falls apart for some reason, oh crap, out comes my Curselax. Very basic Curselax strategy; Curse up, Rest off any damage, and commence beating. However, I'm not sure if I should go with Brick Break or Shadow Ball.

Alakazam (one of my favorite Pokemon from "the old days") is mainly there to take out nasty fighting types that threaten my team, as well as to dispose of other various threats to my team. I'm not sure what Punch to teach; I am currently leaning towards Fire, as plants are a big threat to me.

Dragonite is one of my favorites, but Salmence can also learn all of these moves; Dragonite exists to take out Fighting- and Dark-types that threaten basically everything on my team except for Kyogre. Should I change it to Salmence?

Lastly, Blissey; I'm not sure whether to go with Heal Bell or Safeguard. Leaning towards Heal Bell because it's better to be able to arrive and fix a problem if I wasn't able to prevent it in the first place. But I'd like some input on how that one looks. This is the Pokemon I'm most iffy about keeping; as much as I love the giant pink egg, there is probably something out there that would better suit my current team. Especially considering that I have that Snorlax up there, too.

This is my first time creating a team using strategy; I have always gone with my policy of All Sweepers (which is most fun to play as, IMO) and I'm tired of being beaten. Any suggestions before I go about making this team? I think that a main issue is speed, as many of these Pokemon are incredibly slow in comparison to the armies of Mewtwos I'll be facing. But I'm not entirely sure what to put there, and what to replace.

Thank you.
Don't worry about H20 Absorb. Vaporeon is the only one you will fight in 2v2 because of the Jolt/Vap combo. Watch out for it.

Also, make sure Rhydon's DEF is as high as it can be because it is the only defense against guts + toxic + facade that you have.

Also, Water Spout hits both targets too.

Common 2v2 combos to defend against:
Guts + Toxic + Facade (I always use Swellow and Crobat for this)
Helping Hand + high power attack (Jolt+Vap or any Eevee pair)
Lightningrod and stat up water (Gyarados + Rhydon)
Follow Me + Focus Punch (Clefable + Machamp)
You need Brick Break to kill this combo because Clefable will double barrier.
Flatter/Swagger + Persim Berry (Nidoking + Nidoqueen)
any others I am missing?
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And yet finally another more accurate rate. That makes 3 I've seen so far from you.

Gengar w/Skill Swap and Swagger + Slaking with Persim.
Follow Me'er + Dragon Dancer/Swords Dancer/CMer
Fake Out/Psych Up/Baton Pass Mr. Mime + Ninjask.
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