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Old February 25th, 2006 (3:06 PM).
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Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Note The Tail
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 216 Def / 40 SAtk / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Standard Milo, I guess >_>

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Michael Jackson
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 204 HP / 80 Atk / 184 Def / 40 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

Subclops. Heart. Next...

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** I Beat Anorexia
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 40 Def / 116 SAtk / 72 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Frustration

Having to rely on Wish Support isn't always the smartest idea, but this lols at Skarms switching in that Spike instead of Roar on the first turn, and is useful overall.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 188 HP / 224 Def / 96 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Still working out the kinks on this particular slot...This is cool if the opponent decides to get greedy and use HP (SAtk) on Donphan, but unfortunately it has found limited success =/ Roar and Rest for that last slot have been debateable.

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** My Name is Jir
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 236 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Jirachi. It burns with its mind.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** I Have A Beak
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 60 Def / 144 Spd / 100 SAtk / 80 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

StalkerZappy.

Recently, I've been having a lot of trouble with Raikou and Celebi, both for completely different reasons. The only two slots on this team that have been giving me trouble are Donphan and in some instances Dusclops. Help to remedy this would be greatly appreciated.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (3:19 PM).
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Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Note The Tail
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 216 Def / 40 SAtk / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

I like some speed but meh, otherwiase *yawn*

Standard Milo, I guess >_>

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Michael Jackson
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 204 HP / 80 Atk / 184 Def / 40 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

Oh my.

Subclops. Heart. Next...

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** I Beat Anorexia
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 40 Def / 116 SAtk / 72 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Frustration

No Rest then Selfdestruct plz.

Having to rely on Wish Support isn't always the smartest idea, but this lols at Skarms switching in that Spike instead of Roar on the first turn, and is useful overall.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 188 HP / 224 Def / 96 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

This guy almost got me the other day.

Still working out the kinks on this particular slot...This is cool if the opponent decides to get greedy and use HP (SAtk) on Donphan, but unfortunately it has found limited success =/ Roar and Rest for that last slot have been debateable.

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** My Name is Jir
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 236 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

O noz JIRACHI. Standard.

Jirachi. It burns with its mind.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** I Have A Beak
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 60 Def / 144 Spd / 100 SAtk / 80 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

More HP and def IMO.

StalkerZappy.

Recently, I've been having a lot of trouble with Raikou and Celebi, both for completely different reasons. The only two slots on this team that have been giving me trouble are Donphan and in some instances Dusclops. Help to remedy this would be greatly appreciated.

You may want to try Jolly Duggy for your Raikou weak.
Hope this helps.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (4:29 PM).
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I can't remember who told me not to use Counter Donphan, but It was someone from the Shadow Arena >_>. Trade HP Ice for Metal Sound on Zappy, and maybe Donphan for dugtrio. Then you can put in maybe Sub Skarm over Dusclops (Dusclops doesnt have any spikes to protect on your current team anyway. That might add a boltbeam weak though, so I stand firmly by my first two suggestions and a little unsure of Skarm.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (5:53 PM).
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I can't remember who told me not to use Counter Donphan, but It was someone from the Shadow Arena >_>. Trade HP Ice for Metal Sound on Zappy, and maybe Donphan for dugtrio. Then you can put in maybe Sub Skarm over Dusclops (Dusclops doesnt have any spikes to protect on your current team anyway. That might add a boltbeam weak though, so I stand firmly by my first two suggestions and a little unsure of Skarm.
Dude that thing nearly cost me the match against Pyro it's awesome. You can Counter HP too. Always use HP [Ice/Grass] on Zappy you either use Rest Talking or Metal Sound Zappy. I like Metal Sound better myself. Sub Skarm sucks imo.
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Old February 25th, 2006 (6:00 PM).
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Dude that thing nearly cost me the match against Pyro it's awesome. You can Counter HP too. Always use HP [Ice/Grass] on Zappy you either use Rest Talking or Metal Sound Zappy. I like Metal Sound better myself. Sub Skarm sucks imo.
I didnt say Counterphan was bad, its just that I never used it after a comment in a certain RMT at Umby's Shadow Arena. Stalker zappy is cool with Metal Sound. It's like a Stalkercune.
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Old February 26th, 2006 (12:37 AM).
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Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Note The Tail
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 216 Def / 40 SAtk / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Standard Milo, I guess >_>
The 212 HP/252 Def/44 SDef spread works better.

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Michael Jackson
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 204 HP / 80 Atk / 184 Def / 40 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

Subclops. Heart. Next...
Needs max HP.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** I Beat Anorexia
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 40 Def / 116 SAtk / 72 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Frustration

Having to rely on Wish Support isn't always the smartest idea, but this lols at Skarms switching in that Spike instead of Roar on the first turn, and is useful overall.
doesn't need that much SAtk, 64 is enough. Put some more EVs into SDef, and perhaps Rest, Focus Punch or Selfdestruct > Curse.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 188 HP / 224 Def / 96 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Still working out the kinks on this particular slot...This is cool if the opponent decides to get greedy and use HP (SAtk) on Donphan, but unfortunately it has found limited success =/ Roar and Rest for that last slot have been debateable.
yeah, Counter is cool on Donphan. Always max HP before bothering with the defenses, though.

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** My Name is Jir
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 236 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Jirachi. It burns with its mind.
I never liked Fire Punch on this tbh, but whatever floats your boat.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** I Have A Beak
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 60 Def / 144 Spd / 100 SAtk / 80 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

StalkerZappy.
I use 252 HP/20 Spd/rest in SAtk for this, and it seems to work better than the other spreads.

Recently, I've been having a lot of trouble with Raikou and Celebi, both for completely different reasons. The only two slots on this team that have been giving me trouble are Donphan and in some instances Dusclops. Help to remedy this would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah, Raikou and other hard-hitting special sweepers are obviously going to give you problems in the late-game if you don't have Rest on Snorlax =/, so you might as well add Rest on it and the problem should be solved.
And as already mentioned, Dusclops is useless w/o spikes support, so you could add something for Celebi over it, or if you want to keep Dusclops, then a spiker over Jirachi.
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Stalker zappy is cool with Metal Sound. It's like a Stalkercune.
And then it will get walled by every ground type, and the opponent can just simply switch out after the MS.
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Old February 26th, 2006 (12:52 PM).
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Trying something gimmickery in place of Dusclops..


Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** Godzilla's Bro
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide
- Wish

Hi Hi New Wave CBMence. I'm keeping Fire Blast on Snorlax and Fire Punch on Jirachi. Yes, that is 275 speed you are looking at =o
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Old February 27th, 2006 (10:13 AM).
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Milotic (M) @ Leftovers ** Note The Tail
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 216 Def / 40 SAtk / 40 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hypnosis
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Standard Milo, I guess >_>

I prefer toxic milotic but whatever.

Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers ** Michael Jackson
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 204 HP / 80 Atk / 184 Def / 40 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

Subclops. Heart. Next...

Interesting. Pain Split + Sub? Clops's low speed might hurt that combo though.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** I Beat Anorexia
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 40 Def / 116 SAtk / 72 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Frustration

Having to rely on Wish Support isn't always the smartest idea, but this lols at Skarms switching in that Spike instead of Roar on the first turn, and is useful overall.

Go with Double-Edge over Frustration. The extra damage will kill physical walls like Weezing faster than Frustration.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 188 HP / 224 Def / 96 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Still working out the kinks on this particular slot...This is cool if the opponent decides to get greedy and use HP (SAtk) on Donphan, but unfortunately it has found limited success =/ Roar and Rest for that last slot have been debateable.

Donphan dies from SA anyway. Put Rest over Counter.

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** My Name is Jir
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 236 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Jirachi. It burns with its mind.

Effective. I usually use Doom Desire on Jirachi to hurt someone who switches in on the attack turn.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** I Have A Beak
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 124 HP / 60 Def / 144 Spd / 100 SAtk / 80 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

StalkerZappy.

Recently, I've been having a lot of trouble with Raikou and Celebi, both for completely different reasons. The only two slots on this team that have been giving me trouble are Donphan and in some instances Dusclops. Help to remedy this would be greatly appreciated.
Do you have XD support for this? If so, use this set for Zappy:
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Mild nature
T/Bolt
Drill Peck
HP Grass
Extrasensory
252 SPD/100 ATK/158 SA

If not, use:
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Mild nature
T/Bolt
HP Grass
Drill Peck
Light Screen
100 ATK/158 SA/100 SD/152 SPD

Hope this helps!
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Old February 27th, 2006 (10:57 AM).
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And then it will get walled by every ground type, and the opponent can just simply switch out after the MS.
You know as well as I do that many things get walled. you just gotta roll with it and adapt, and build your team to compensate for that.

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Go with Double-Edge over Frustration. The extra damage will kill physical walls like Weezing faster than Frustration.
Too bad Weezing phazes the Curse, then Burns lax to completely stop it from killing weezing. >_>. Pay attention to the thread's title.
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Do you have XD support for this? If so, use this set for Zappy:
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Mild nature
T/Bolt
Drill Peck
HP Grass
Extrasensory
252 SPD/100 ATK/158 SA

If not, use:
[email protected]
Mild nature
T/Bolt
HP Grass
Drill Peck
Light Screen
100 ATK/158 SA/100 SD/152 SPD

Hope this helps!
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Go with Double-Edge over Frustration. The extra damage will kill physical walls like Weezing faster than Frustration
Fire Blast dude, would do more because Weezing Burns Lax and laughs at it, and it's physical attacks. Leaving Lax in on Weezing is not very favorible.
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God. I am fighting too many random newbs. I never see WoW Weezing anymore. I have seen ones with Flamethrower for some reason but not very many with WoW. Maybe to kill Skarm...

WoW Weezing stops Lax but Double-Edge is still > Frustration/Return.

What is Zappy's standard nature anyway? Modest maybe?
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Old February 28th, 2006 (10:50 AM).
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It's quite obvious. Modest >_>.
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Drill Peck is a nice "hi heracross" or "hi random grass type". It works.
With Extrasensory it might be redundant though.
Zappy's defense sucks. It is Zapdos's lowest stat, even including its ATK.
Maybe grass types are more commonly used by newbs than PR players.
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Old February 28th, 2006 (11:24 AM).
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Drill Peck is a nice "hi heracross" or "hi random grass type". It works.
With Extrasensory it might be redundant though.
Zappy's defense sucks. It is Zapdos's lowest stat, even including its ATK.
Maybe grass types are more commonly used by newbs than PR players.
It doesn't matter. Unless your defenses are so low that it won't matter (like Gengar) you don't lower your defenses, especially on something that uses rest or needs to survive longer.
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Wow, GG you've been spamming alot lately. I think your gimmic is making you retarded.
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