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Old March 6th, 2006 (10:37 AM).
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EVs: 212 HP/158 DEF/rest in SD
Calm nature (SD+/ATK-)
-Wish
-Charm
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass

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EVs: 220 SPD/220 SA/70 DEF
Timid nature (SPD+/ATK-)
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Morning Sun

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EVs: 100 SD/100 DEF/252 HP/58 ATK
Careful (SD+/SA-)
-Amnesia
-Curse
-Body Slam
-Shadow Ball

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EVs: 252 ATK/100 DEF/100 SD/58 SPD
Adamant (ATK+/SA-)
-Dragon Dance
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power [Flying]

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EVs: 200 HP/56 DEF/56 SD/146 SA
Sassy nature (SD+/SPD-)
-Aromatherapy
-Stun Spore
-Razor Leaf
-Sludge Bomb

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EVs: 252 HP/100 SD/158 SA
Modest nature (SA+/ATK-)
-Surf
-Haze
-Ice Beam
-Wish

Team that I used before with some modifications.
WISH OVER HP FIGHTING ON UMBRY IS ONE
I no longer use Blissey because Snorlax is a better special wall. Snorlax can kill stuff too. Amnesia is because Umbreon's Mean Look stops them from switching.
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Old March 6th, 2006 (10:57 AM).
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EVs: 212 HP/158 DEF/rest in SD
Calm nature (SD+/ATK-)
-Wish
-Charm
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass

Bold Nature serves better, regardless of charm.

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EVs: 220 SPD/220 SA/70 DEF
Timid nature (SPD+/ATK-)
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Morning Sun

I'd put in a little HP, taking just a few EVs out of speed.

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EVs: 100 SD/100 DEF/252 HP/58 ATK
Careful (SD+/SA-)
-Rest
-Curse
-Body Slam
-Shadow Ball

Amnesia? using both Curse AND amnesia is a bit more trouble than it's worth, as the set up takes to long, and by that time action against you will be taken. Rest works better for that lame burn hax. Snorlax needs only 160-204 HP, using a bulk of its EVs in SDef, putting the rest in attack and def.

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EVs: 84 HP / 252 Atk / 32 Def / 140 Spd
Adamant (ATK+/SA-)
-Dragon Dance
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power [Flying]

Standard

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EVs: 200 HP/56 DEF/56 SD/146 SA
Sassy nature (SD+/SPD-)
-Aromatherapy
-Stun Spore/Leech Seed
-Sleep Powder
-Sludge Bomb / Razor Leaf / Hidden Power [Grass]

Works a bit like butterfree without WW. Put something to sleep, then stun or leech the next thing coming in. You'll have to adapt the EVs for a more tankish spread, but meh.

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EVs: 252 HP/100 SD/158 SA
Modest nature (SA+/ATK-)
-Surf
-Haze
-Ice Beam
-Wish

It's got as much SAtk as jolteon, so you can move thoseEVs into Def, which it sverely needs. I use 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 SAtk.

Team that I used before with some modifications.
WISH OVER HP FIGHTING ON UMBRY IS ONE
I no longer use Blissey because Snorlax is a better special wall. Snorlax can kill stuff too. Amnesia is because Umbreon's Mean Look stops them from switching.

It's got a couple of tehnniques to handle it, but it has a bit of a tough time against CBers, especially when switching in at the right time. As for Amnesia on lax, I explained that earlier, but in regards to your comment, by the time someone sees Umbreon coming in, a phazer/taunter is usually switched in, potentially ruining your trap-passingg efforts. I suggest letting Vaporeon use Wish, and Have Umbreon use Taunt over Wish to stop phazers from doing so. In other news, You'll have a tough time against Ice Beam Blissey as well. For that, you can switch to CBSalamence using a 4/252/252 spread, giving you a bit more edge.
Overall, though I hate that you mixed in Vileplume with OUs, I actually like it. Yay for a positive rate.
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Old March 6th, 2006 (11:52 AM). Edited March 6th, 2006 by Espy Psyche.
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No Taunt on Umbry. That makes it too much like chaosbreon and I do not want that. I want a set I can put my own name on.

The Vileplume EVs came from Smogon if u believe me on not. Serebii was down so I had to use Smogon.
I don't care about OU/BL/UU/NU classifications.
I will use Dewgong on a team if I need it to approach immunity to Ice.

Also, what is Snorlax's max lefties HP?
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Old March 6th, 2006 (3:15 PM).
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EVs: 212 HP/158 DEF/rest in SD
Calm nature (SD+/ATK-)
-Toxic
-subsitute
-Faint attack
-Baton Pass

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EVs: 220 SPD/220 SA/70 DEF
Timid nature (SPD+/ATK-)
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Morning Sun

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EVs: 100 SD/100 DEF/252 HP/58 ATK
Careful (SD+/SA-)
-Amnesia
-Curse
-Body Slam
-Shadow Ball

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EVs: 252 ATK/100 DEF/100 SD/58 SPD
Adamant (ATK+/SA-)
-Dragon Dance
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw I have the same nature not to worry

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EVs: 200 HP/56 DEF/56 SD/146 SA
Sassy nature (SD+/SPD-)
-Aromatherapy
-Stun Spore
-Razor Leaf
-Sludge Bomb

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EVs: 252 HP/100 SD/158 SA
Modest nature (SA+/ATK-)
-Surf
-Haze
-Ice Beam
-Wish
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Old March 7th, 2006 (4:37 AM).
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I can see that u don't. Charmbreon>Toxibreon.
If using Adamant don't use SAs.
And u can't even give EV tips.
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Old March 7th, 2006 (5:30 AM).
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lol Dark Venusaur. Please dont rate if you dont know what ur talking about
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No Taunt on Umbry. That makes it too much like chaosbreon and I do not want that. I want a set I can put my own name on.

The Vileplume EVs came from Smogon if u believe me on not. Serebii was down so I had to use Smogon.
I don't care about OU/BL/UU/NU classifications.
I will use Dewgong on a team if I need it to approach immunity to Ice.

Also, what is Snorlax's max lefties HP?
I like psypoke's EV(s) better.
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EVs: 212 HP/158 DEF/rest in SD
Calm nature (SD+/ATK-)
-Toxic
-subsitute
-Faint attack
-Baton Pass

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EVs: 220 SPD/220 SA/70 DEF
Timid nature (SPD+/ATK-)
-Psychic
-Reflect
-Hidden Power [Fire]
-Morning Sun

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EVs: 100 SD/100 DEF/252 HP/58 ATK
Careful (SD+/SA-)
-Amnesia
-Curse
-Body Slam
-Shadow Ball

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EVs: 252 ATK/100 DEF/100 SD/58 SPD
Adamant (ATK+/SA-)
-Dragon Dance
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw I have the same nature not to worry

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EVs: 200 HP/56 DEF/56 SD/146 SA
Sassy nature (SD+/SPD-)
-Aromatherapy
-Stun Spore
-Razor Leaf
-Sludge Bomb

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EVs: 252 HP/100 SD/158 SA
Modest nature (SA+/ATK-)
-Surf
-Haze
-Ice Beam
-Wish



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Everything is good here! But I like Beat UP on Unbreon better!

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Old March 10th, 2006 (10:12 AM).
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SA is Special Attack. I use SA but some people use SAtk. SD or SDef is then Special Defense.
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Old March 10th, 2006 (10:51 AM).
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But I like Beat UP on Unbreon better!
First of all, I hope you aren't suggesting that Umbreon is good with Beat Up.

Second of all, I hope you aren't insisting that Umbreon actually learns the move Beat Up. >_>
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Old March 10th, 2006 (4:39 PM).
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I no longer use Blissey because Snorlax is a better special wall.
uh... it has less Hp and Sp.def... same type and... what?

I swear if your credibility wasn't shaky enough already(do you even HAVE credibility?)

btw, your sets all already have names. the name is 'terrible.'

if you aren't using standard movesets, could you do a little more than just change one move that doesn't do much in context when compared to the old move?
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Old March 14th, 2006 (10:10 AM). Edited March 15th, 2006 by Espy Psyche.
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uh... it has less Hp and Sp.def... same type and... what?
Assuming you are talking about Lax here... It also has way more attack and defense, plus it learns Curse.
I swear if your credibility wasn't shaky enough already(do you even HAVE credibility?)
I am a second tier NBer, on the following tier system.

btw, your sets all already have names. the name is 'terrible.'

if you aren't using standard movesets, could you do a little more than just change one move that doesn't do much in context when compared to the old move?
The tier system I am talking about:
1st tier: Husk1442, Holyknight, skarm, etc. Not: you, g80, giga, Twinkies, etc.
2nd tier: myself, you, g80, giga, Twinkies, Synchronize, etc.
3rd tier: some less experienced NBers who have some idea oh what they are doing (AKA my apprentices)
4th tier: complete n00bs who lack knowledge of Pokemon, such as those who put 3 Fire moves on Zard.

The first two tiers could probably be combined into one, but I wanted to acknowledge that Husk, Holyknight, skarm, etc are better than me or you.
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The tier system I am talking about:
1st tier: Husk1442, Holyknight, skarm, etc. Not: you, g80, giga, Twinkies, etc.
2nd tier: myself, you, g80, giga, Mullet, Synchronize, etc.
3rd tier: Espy Trainer April, kaymae2006, etc.
4th tier: complete n00bs who lack knowledge of Pokemon, such as those who put 3 Fire moves on Zard.
I've never even heard of the "3rd" tier people. Why are Giga, Umby, G80, you and I on the same tier?

The few times Husk and I have battle Husk has won, but he was down to one or two Pokemon. G80 and Husk seem to be about even, and I've seen a lot of their battles. You have know idea what your talking about.

I hope you know that I AM Twinkies, considering that I've posted many logs of me batting under that name. It makes no sense to post two different names for one person. It was so obvious that Twinkies was me and you didn't know, which is pretty sad.
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I know that you are Twinkies, I have fought you. Our battles were pretty close so I put us on the same tier. 3rd tier are some less experienced NBers that have some idea of what to do. Editing post now.
The only thing that makes me different from the rest of my tier is my unconventionality.
I do not take sets from Smogon/Serebii and use them untouched.
I find the set I see most effective from Smogon/Serebii's complete move list, as why "e4" sets can really be called "e4" sets.
I am working on creating my own site to have my own strategies posted.
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Old March 15th, 2006 (1:43 PM).
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I know that you are Twinkies, I have fought you. Our battles were pretty close so I put us on the same tier. 3rd tier are some less experienced NBers that have some idea of what to do. Editing post now.
The only thing that makes me different from the rest of my tier is my unconventionality.
I do not take sets from Smogon/Serebii and use them untouched.
I find the set I see most effective from Smogon/Serebii's complete move list, as why "e4" sets can really be called "e4" sets.
I am working on creating my own site to have my own strategies posted.
Then why did you post two names to identify the same person? The only reasons they were "close" as you say are because of hax I was up to par or because I was using a stupid team, as I do often. Last time I checked 4 or 5-0's arn't close.

Dude if you change one move that makes it less effective than it already is, it doesn't really matter. Your sets arn't even good. Like HP Umby for example. Serebii sucks.
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calm down Mullet, I swear this Twinkies guy on nb has the same anger management issues.

o and for the team, if you do anything, please use rest on snorlax
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calm down Mullet, I swear this Twinkies guy on nb has the same anger management issues.

o and for the team, if you do anything, please use rest on snorlax
Husk I wasn't being angry, lol.

Stop trolling imo.
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Why does Serebii's effectiveness matter? I am only getting move charts from Serebii, I am not using their sets. Oh, and when I haxed you it was 2-0 in my favor. So without it theywould probably be 1-0 in your favor, maybe 2-0.
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Why does Serebii's effectiveness matter? I am only getting move charts from Serebii, I am not using their sets. Oh, and when I haxed you it was 2-0 in my favor. So without it theywould probably be 1-0 in your favor, maybe 2-0.
That still means I would have won dude. Plus I was using a dumb teams, lol. Your nubbiness distracts me, lol.

I have 5-0 and 4-0 you before, you have never done that too me. I also beat you with a bad UU team.
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The tier system I am talking about:
1st tier: Husk1442, Holyknight, skarm, etc. Not: you, g80, giga, Twinkies, etc.
2nd tier: myself, you, g80, giga, Twinkies, Synchronize, etc.
3rd tier: some less experienced NBers who have some idea oh what they are doing (AKA my apprentices)
4th tier: complete n00bs who lack knowledge of Pokemon, such as those who put 3 Fire moves on Zard.

The first two tiers could probably be combined into one, but I wanted to acknowledge that Husk, Holyknight, skarm, etc are better than me or you.
well I'm glad you can make up immaginary teir lists. that is a good skill for life.

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Assuming you are talking about Lax here... It also has way more attack and defense, plus it learns Curse.
oh goody! stats that do NOTHING for lowering special damage and a move that doesn't effect Sp.def! wow!

BTW, way to ignore how I called your movesets all terrible without even vaugely trying to defend them. go you, I guess.
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