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Old March 14th, 2006 (4:14 PM). Edited March 14th, 2006 by Espy Psyche.
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Which is better, Alakazam or Espeon?
I see some things in favor of one or the other.
Zam has:
higher SA (135 v 130)
higher SPD (120 v 110)
ability to learn Recover
ability to learn element punches

Espy has:
Higher HP ( 65 v 55)
Higher ATK ( 65 v 50)
Higher DEF ( 60 v 45)
Higher SD (95 v 85)
Ability to pull off Reflect set
Ability to learn Helping Hand for 2v2 battles

Zam has the SPD/SA to sweep, but gets screwed if it doesn't OHKO.
Espy can actually take a hit (and with Reflect that's a really big hit), but can't get OHKOs as easily as Zam.

Espy with Reflect and 70 DEF EVs can survive a CBed Meteor Mash from a Metagross. That is a big physical hit.
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Old March 14th, 2006 (4:23 PM).
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LOL! dude like that was so complicated that i dont know wtf u even said...im lost...lol...are these things u talkin about pkm? if so which 1's? just curious to see wut these things look like cause they sound all hectic crazy'ly rectile...dude lol plz?
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Old March 14th, 2006 (4:30 PM).
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Dude Zam means Alakazam and Espy means Espeon.
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Old March 14th, 2006 (4:42 PM).
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I don't understand how u compare the two... Zam can trick, its speed is faster and speed means alot. Zam doesnt need a high attack and I doubt espy does either... why would you keep zam in against a metagross in the first place? why would you keep espy in against meta in the first place? They are both good pokes but zam has higher speed and sp.atk and thats what a special sweeper needs...
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This moveset is better with mine, I will finish putting them on level 100 with my cheat codes, Kmmahahahahaha!![IMG]

Zam(m)@Leftovers, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Inner Focus
Lv.100 HP:249 SP.ATK:300 ATTACK:148
SP.DEF:221 DEFENSE:108 SPEED:275
Reflect/Counter
Ice Punch
Fire Punch
Thunder Punch

V.S

Espy(f)@Brightpowder, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Sychonize
Substitude
Lv.100 HP:296 SP.ATK:304 ATTACK:182
SP.DEF:267 DEFENSE:118 SPEED:258
Psybeam
Iron Tail
Morning Sun
Substitude


And the results are in!
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Old March 14th, 2006 (5:50 PM). Edited March 14th, 2006 by Fr0st.
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Counter on zam???

Psybeam and iron tail??

Zam without psychic??

182 ATTACK ON ESPEON AND YOU CHOOSE IRON TAIL??!??
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Old March 14th, 2006 (5:59 PM).
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They have a differnet purpose but I'll go with espeon.
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This moveset is better with mine, I will finish putting them on level 100 with my cheat codes, Kmmahahahahaha!![IMG]

Zam(m)@Leftovers, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Inner Focus
Lv.100 HP:249 SP.ATK:300 ATTACK:148
SP.DEF:221 DEFENSE:108 SPEED:275
Reflect/Counter
Ice Punch
Fire Punch
Thunder Punch

V.S

Espy(f)@Brightpowder, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Sychonize
Substitude
Lv.100 HP:296 SP.ATK:304 ATTACK:182
SP.DEF:267 DEFENSE:118 SPEED:258
Psybeam
Iron Tail
Morning Sun
Substitude


And the results are in!

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where is psychic?

physical moves suck on both of them

alakazam will not survive a physical attack without baton passed def unless it is called siesmic toss

those movesets are really silly for that kind of test, go with their strengths which are speed and sp atk.
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They have a differnet purpose but I'll go with espeon.
I'd like to know what purpose a countering zam and a iron tailing espeon without psychic have??
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Old March 14th, 2006 (7:12 PM).
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I'd like to know what purpose a countering zam and a iron tailing espeon without psychic have??
he was referring to the original question i believe

anyway, espeon with its greater [albeit not by much] durability is used basically to pass CM to the rest of the team while Zam is a hit/trick and run kinda pokemon.
I'm not really in favour of comparing the two but, to ans ur question, I'd go with alakazam..and thats only because i heart RBY pokemon.
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Old March 14th, 2006 (7:19 PM).
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Lol. My bad, I thought he was talking to me=) There are better Bpassers in the Eevee evolutions than espy..
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Old March 15th, 2006 (7:21 AM).
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This moveset is better with mine, I will finish putting them on level 100 with my cheat codes, Kmmahahahahaha!![IMG]

Zam(m)@Leftovers, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Inner Focus
Lv.100 HP:249 SP.ATK:300 ATTACK:148
SP.DEF:221 DEFENSE:108 SPEED:275
Reflect/Counter
Ice Punch
Fire Punch
Thunder Punch

V.S

Espy(f)@Brightpowder, Nature: Gentle
Ability: Sychonize
Substitude
Lv.100 HP:296 SP.ATK:304 ATTACK:182
SP.DEF:267 DEFENSE:118 SPEED:258
Psybeam
Iron Tail
Morning Sun
Substitude


And the results are in!
Tory, please try to justify why in the world you would give these movesets to these two Pokemon????? I may not be the smartest when it comes to movesets, but even I know that both of them are EXTREMELY weak. Again, please explain to me why.
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Old March 15th, 2006 (10:07 AM). Edited March 21st, 2006 by Espy Psyche.
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Try these sets to compare the Pokemon.
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252 SA/252 SPD/6 HP
Modest nature
Psychic
Calm Mind
F/Punch
Trick

vs

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220 SPD/220 SA/70 DEF
Psychic
Reflect
Morning Sun
HP Fire
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Alakazam is more useful by comparison. It can deal great damage out the gate, screw Blissey over with trickband, and messup alot of otherstuff with Subencoring. Espeon is similar in damage dealing, but it requires, usually, 1+ turns than Alakazam to do what it really wants to do.

There's also the fact that Alakazam gets those cool punches, making it hard for many things to switch in.
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I like Espy because Espy is better at e4 Espy set than Zam is. Espeon can survive any physical attack, except Shadow Ball/HP Ghost, that is thrown at it if it has Reflect up. Morning sun and Reflect make this Pokemon just as dangerous. I just wish it learned Recover...
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Old March 15th, 2006 (10:33 AM).
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Well I like Umbreon because it can resist Psychic attacks. >_>
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where is psychic?

physical moves suck on both of them

alakazam will not survive a physical attack without baton passed def unless it is called siesmic toss

those movesets are really silly for that kind of test, go with their strengths which are speed and sp atk.
Hold up, the reason why I didn't put psychic because people always say its sucks, but I don't think psychic sucks.
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Tory, please try to justify why in the world you would give these movesets to these two Pokemon????? I may not be the smartest when it comes to movesets, but even I know that both of them are EXTREMELY weak. Again, please explain to me why.
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Hold up, the reason why I didn't put psychic because people always say its sucks, but I don't think psychic sucks.
We say it only sucks on certain pokemon, like Gengar, usually, as its only really useful with STAB. Almost any psychic pokemon should have Psychic
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Old March 21st, 2006 (4:16 AM).
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I like espion better better. It's so graceful.
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Well, this isn't as much a topic on opinion as much as it is based on the individual abilites of these individual pokemon.
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We say it only sucks on certain pokemon, like Gengar, usually, as its only really useful with STAB. Almost any psychic pokemon should have Psychic
Psychic takes out heracross duh. :rofl:
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Old March 21st, 2006 (11:29 AM).
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Psychic takes out heracross duh. :rofl:
jaja. Tbolt 2-3HKOs iirc.
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