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Old March 17th, 2006 (7:50 PM).
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On my Emerald, my team is:

Rayquaza- level 100
Moves: fly, thunderbolt, surf, flamethrower

Kyogre- level 78
Moves: waterspout, dive, sheercold, waterfall

Groudon- level 78
Moves: eruption, cut, fissure, rock smash

Blaziken- level 78
Moves: strength, flamethrower, earthquake, overheat

Alakazam- level 43
Moves: secret power, psychic, flash, recover

weak pokemon with EXP share- wigglytuff level 26
Moves: pound, disable, rollout, doubleslap

What do you think? And no, I didn't use Gameshark on my Rayquaza. I wish I had one, though.
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Old March 17th, 2006 (7:53 PM).
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nice lineup dude,but why do you have that crappy wigglytuff?
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Old March 17th, 2006 (8:02 PM). Edited March 17th, 2006 by Barboach.
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Rayquaza- level 100
Moves: fly, thunderbolt, surf, flamethrower
This one i do not complain with.

Kyogre- level 78
Moves: waterspout, Double-edge, sheercold, Thunder
Having alot of water moves on Kyorgre is a no no. Scince Kyogre has the drizzle ability, teach it Thunder, and then 100% accuarcy.

Groudon- level 78
Moves: eruption, Solarbeam, fissure, rock smash
Wtf is with cut? scince Groundon has the drought ability, put solarbeam on it one hit and bam water types ground types rocktypes and so on our down.
Blaziken- level 78
Moves: skyuppercut, flamethrower, earthquake, Blaze Kick
As i said before, too much of one type of move is bad. U need supporting moves too.
Alakazam- level 43
Moves: secret power, psychic, flash/trick, recover
Your Alakazam will learn trick at lvl 45 or 50, it lets u steal the opponents item for use (Only if you don't have an item)

weak pokemon with EXP share- wigglytuff level 26
Moves: pound, disable, rollout, doubleslap
scince your training this one i won't rate it.

This is my second rate :)
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All right, Mewtwo Man, it’s time to lay down some rules every time you train a Pokemon:

First of all, never to give a Pokemon two attacking moves of the same type (except in very rare circumstances, which don’t apply to this team). That means don’t use 2 Fire attacks or 2 Water attacks or 2 Electric attacks or 2 whatever attacks on the same Pokemon. Get my point?

Also, never use any HM moves on your main Pokemon except for Surf. All the other moves are really bad. Give them to a Pokemon that you don’t want to raise, like Zigzagoon or Spheal if you need to get around the game.

Water Spout and Eruption are bad: you need to be at full health for it to be at max power. But your opponents will damage you and that means the power of those two attacks will fall, making them useless once you’re at very low health.

Never use OHKO attacks (Fissure, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill, and Guillotine). They aren’t worth it. Let’s see: you have a 30% chance of hitting your opponent. That means you’ll only be able to hit about once every 3 turns. In those three turns, you could have KOed your opponent with another more accurate move instead of wasting your time waiting for one move to hit.

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Rayquaza- level 100
Moves:
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Rock Slide/Fire Blast/Dragon Claw

Rayquaza CAN work with special attacks, but you should really take advantage of physical attacks, since it learns Dragon Dance (boosts both attack and speed with each use). Leave the special attacks to Kyogre and Alakazam.
However, I like Choice Band Rayquaza as well since it can hurt any opponent badly without the need to stat boost:

Rayquaza @Choice Band
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
Extremespeed
Rock Slide/Fire Blast/Dragon Claw

Either version works great. I’m personally fond of the Choice Band set despite its limitations. But with some slick prediction, Choice Banders can easily crush the opposing team.


Kyogre- level 78
Moves:
Surf
Calm Mind
Thunder
Ice Beam

Wow, all 4 of those moves were bad and broke the rules I mentioned above. The new moves I gave you are a standard Kyogre’s moves, with attacks to handle nearly every opponent and Calm Mind to make it a monster in battle.


Groudon- level 78
Moves:
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Rock Slide
Fire Blast

Again, you gave poor Groudon a whole bunch of bad moves. These new moves will suit it better. Groudon excels in physical attacking and this set makes Groudon even more of a beast with Swords Dance. Fire Blast is for Pokemon like Skarmory and Forretress who are hard to take down with your other two attacks.


Blaziken- level 78
Moves:
Flamethrower
Sky Uppercut
Bulk Up
Thunderpunch

Flamethrower is nice. The other moves - not so much. Strength sucks, Overheat is unnecessary when you already have Flametrower, and Earthquake isn’t needed either because Sky Uppercut is stronger and takes care of basically the same types (Steel and Rock, not Electric but then again Blaziken isn’t weak against Electric moves).


Alakazam- level 43
Moves:
Psychic
Recover
Fire Punch
Calm Mind/Thunderpunch/Ice Punch

So what’s with the random Secret Power? Didn’t you notice that Alakazam’s attack is so low it can’t hurt anything with that? Anyways, give it special attacks only. I would also suggest Calm Mind, but seeing as how you’ll use it on Kyogre, you could fill that last slot with an elemental punch.


weak pokemon with EXP share- wigglytuff level 26
Moves: pound, disable, rollout, doubleslap
Uh, why are you training a Wigglytuff in the first place? There are so many better Normal types – Slaking, Snorlax, Dodrio, Zangoose, Tauros, Miltank etc.
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On my Emerald, my team is:

Rayquaza- level 100
Moves: fly, thunderbolt, surf, flamethrower
Ice Beam, Dragon Claw, Aerial Ace
Reyquazaa has a good Speacil attack I this set is good if you want a sweeper Speacil. Aerial Ace is there to give him a flying move. Fly takes to long to attack while Flamethowere and Surf are not needed here.

Kyogre- level 78
Moves: waterspout, dive, sheercold, waterfall
Surf, Tunder, Ice Beam, Return/Clam Mind
Drizzle abitity raises the chance of Tunder hitting. ICe Beam because it is useful and a grass killer. Surf for a good water move. Clam Mind if you like to boost the power of Ice Beam, TUnder and Surf or Return if you just want a hurting move that doesn't hurt the pokemon.

Groudon- level 78
Moves: eruption, cut, fissure, rock smash
Solar Beam, Break Brick, Flamethrower, Earthquake
Drought makes Solar Beam a one move attack. Just say it and it attacks without charging. Great for knocking out water pokemon. (Fissure isn't good because it doesn't work all the time.) Break Break for power and kills ice. Flamethrower as a good fire move. Earthquake for a good ground attack that kills.

Blaziken- level 78
Moves: strength, flamethrower, earthquake, overheat
Rock Slide, Brick Break
Like the power so I just added a few good ones. ROck Slide to kill flying and Brick Break for just a fighting move.

Alakazam- level 43
Moves: secret power, psychic, flash, recover
Thief/Tunder Punch, Taunt
Mess up with Theif or shock them with Tunderpunch to attack. Taunt them so they can't use the same move twice so Alakazam can use longer.
weak pokemon with EXP share- wigglytuff level 26
Moves: pound, disable, rollout, doubleslap
Won't do

What do you think? And no, I didn't use Gameshark on my Rayquaza. I wish I had one, though.
What I afraid is that you mess yourself up with the Drizzle and Drought thing. then you also have a lot of Legendaries so it not right but they are fun to play with. The thing is the unfair advantage. I just gave you a set so you can just attack with good moves hit after hit.
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Charizard, Kyogre doesn't need Return, and Alakazam doesn't need Taunt. Aragorn pretty much summed it up.
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On my Emerald, my team is:

Rayquaza- level 100
Moves: Aerial Ace, Dragon Claw/Extreme Speed, Rock Slide/Crunch,
(tired and sleepy), its 3:01 in the morning, Leftoves is good on Rayquaza and you could use the Choice Band without the Dragon Claw, by the way, this movesets are the best on Rayquaza than any moves because of its ATK+ and SP.ATK+.

Kyogre- level 78
Moves: Hydro Pump, Calm Mind, Thunder, Ice Beam,
These moves are great on the ultimate Prince Of The Sea! Since its ability is Drizzle the move Thunder will have 100% accuracy! You can't use 1-Hit-Ko-Critical-Hit-Moves because there inaccurate!

Groudon- level 78
Moves: Body Slam/Solarbeam Bluk up, Rock Slide, Earthquake,
Groudon's SP.ATKs aren't that high, but you can use Solar Beam if you what to, because of its ability, Drought.

Blaziken- level 78
Moves: Sky Uppercut, Slash/Aerial, Mirror Move, Blaze Kick,
This move are like a piece of cake or pie!

Alakazam- level 43
Moves: Reflect, Ice Beam, Thunderpunch, Fire Punch/Psychic,
Punch SP.ATKs are very warming on Alakazam this moveset can also be a master piece with Medicham! Use these attacks on Alakazam and you will have a better Alakazam than everybody's Alakazam, like me!

weak pokemon with EXP share Wigglytuff- level 40
Moves: Dyamic Punch, Mega Kick, Body Slam, Double-edge,
I'm sorry to say, but Wiggytuff doesn't fight tight in this team, it doesn't have a lot of good moves, just punch attacks and kick attacks only good on this pokemon, a whole bunch of people thinks Wigglytuff sucks, so use a different normal type pokemon such as, Porygon2, Togetic, Blissy, Pidgeot, Swellow, Notowl, Persian, Lickitung, Dunsparce, Ursaring, Smeargle, Exploud, Delcatty, Castform and Kecloen

What do you think? And no, I didn't use Gameshark on my Rayquaza. I wish I had one, though.
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LMAO, congratulations Tory, those were the worst movesets yet. =P Kyogre doesn't need Hydro Pump because STAB and Drizzle make Surf so strong that the little extra that you get out of Hydro Pump isn't worth the loss of Accuracy and PP. If you want a harder hitting Water move then Water Spout can be added in as a replacement for Calm Mind, but personally I think Aragornbird's set is the way to go. I've faced it and know that it's tough. For Groudon...lollerskates, Groudon's Sp.Attack is completely dwarfed by its tremendous Attack stat, making Solarbeam a complete waste. You might think of it as a born Sunnybeamer but in practice it sucks, a Mirror Coat Swampert laughs at Solarbeam Groudons, as do practically all other Water types. Physical moves are the way to go, with Fire Blast to sweep away steel types with the power of Drought. Oh, and Earthquake and Rock Slide both trump Body Slam, Earthquake because of STAB and Rock Slide because of the type advantages. And since Groudon is at its best when sweeping, Swords Dance > Bulk Up.

Now what's more...oh yeah, Slash is a sad and pathetic move for any pokémon, it's only halfway decent if you get luck and critical hit, and only N00Bs rely on luck strategies like that. Also, Flamethrower has more power and accuracy than Blaze Kick which far exceeds the pathetic critical hit bonus, as for Mirror Move...why the heck? Blaziken is a sweeper and completely lacks the defensive abilities to wait for your opponent to attack first, and odds are that you'd end up taking things like Surf from Water types in which case the Mirror Move would just plain suck. xP

Furthermore, Alakazam can't learn Ice Beam, get your facts straight. And Psychic is a must for Zam because it's its only proper STAB move.

Concerning your Wigglytuff...that one's just god-awful. Dynamicpunch and Mega Kick are both sad moves that should never be put on anything, and trippling up on any type of damaging move is a big no-no. A proper Wigglytuff set would be;

Nature: Bold (-Attack, +Defense)
Item: Leftovers
Moves:
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Counter/Calm Mind/Flamethrower
Softboiled

Yeah, Wigglytuff actually kicks some serious arse with Counter because of its surprisingly good Defense and HP and I've seen it leave quite a few Fighting types crying, but if you don't feel like it then Calm Mind can be used to power up Thunderbolt and Ice Beam for a decent sweeping ability, or if you're even more of a head on type then you could even try Flamethrower, I suppose. In any case, Softboiled is a too good move to just pass up on.

Seriously Tory, get some help with your moveset making, because you really need it. For the other movesets I'd suggest going with Aragornbird's suggestions, he's got his facts straight. Unlike some people here. =P
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LMAO, congratulations Tory, those were the worst movesets yet. =P Kyogre doesn't need Hydro Pump because STAB and Drizzle make Surf so strong that the little extra that you get out of Hydro Pump isn't worth the loss of Accuracy and PP. If you want a harder hitting Water move then Water Spout can be added in as a replacement for Calm Mind, but personally I think Aragornbird's set is the way to go. I've faced it and know that it's tough. For Groudon...lollerskates, Groudon's Sp.Attack is completely dwarfed by its tremendous Attack stat, making Solarbeam a complete waste. You might think of it as a born Sunnybeamer but in practice it sucks, a Mirror Coat Swampert laughs at Solarbeam Groudons, as do practically all other Water types. Physical moves are the way to go, with Fire Blast to sweep away steel types with the power of Drought. Oh, and Earthquake and Rock Slide both trump Body Slam, Earthquake because of STAB and Rock Slide because of the type advantages. And since Groudon is at its best when sweeping, Swords Dance > Bulk Up.

Now what's more...oh yeah, Slash is a sad and pathetic move for any pokémon, it's only halfway decent if you get luck and critical hit, and only N00Bs rely on luck strategies like that. Also, Flamethrower has more power and accuracy than Blaze Kick which far exceeds the pathetic critical hit bonus, as for Mirror Move...why the heck? Blaziken is a sweeper and completely lacks the defensive abilities to wait for your opponent to attack first, and odds are that you'd end up taking things like Surf from Water types in which case the Mirror Move would just plain suck. xP

Furthermore, Alakazam can't learn Ice Beam, get your facts straight. And Psychic is a must for Zam because it's its only proper STAB move.

Concerning your Wigglytuff...that one's just god-awful. Dynamicpunch and Mega Kick are both sad moves that should never be put on anything, and trippling up on any type of damaging move is a big no-no. A proper Wigglytuff set would be;

Nature: Bold (-Attack, +Defense)
Item: Leftovers
Moves:
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Counter/Calm Mind/Flamethrower
Softboiled

Yeah, Wigglytuff actually kicks some serious arse with Counter because of its surprisingly good Defense and HP and I've seen it leave quite a few Fighting types crying, but if you don't feel like it then Calm Mind can be used to power up Thunderbolt and Ice Beam for a decent sweeping ability, or if you're even more of a head on type then you could even try Flamethrower, I suppose. In any case, Softboiled is a too good move to just pass up on.

Seriously Tory, get some help with your moveset making, because you really need it. For the other movesets I'd suggest going with Aragornbird's suggestions, he's got his facts straight. Unlike some people here. =P
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Water Spout don't even need to be a move for Kyogre because the moves sucks! The only time you use it is when your Kyogre's HP is full, nobody don't even trust that move. No!!!!! Kyogre needs Calm Mind!
Groudon can use Solar Beam, its SP.ATK on L.v100 is 240+. Bulk up is a better move than Sword Dance on Groudon, Groudon use Sword Dance but, it needs Bulk Up for its both ATK and DEF, if you use Sword Dance it will only increase its ATK which §~cks!
Slash isn't a bad move, its perfect on Blaziken, Blaziken has high ATK you nO±ß! I have no idea who told you Mirror Move sucks, but this is a *must-need* move for Blaziken, Mirror Move is wonderful you Blaziken must have low speed! Feed it Carbos please!
Oh sorry, I must of made a mistake, I meant to put "Ice Punch" insted of "Ice Beam", ! You don't always have to put Psychic on Alakazam all the time!!!! Dyamic Punch and Mega Punch sucks? Dyamic Punch and Mega Punch are alwsom moves, I don't know what the hell are you talking about.
Those moves are great on Belluom!
EDIT: Shut Up Kataphraktoi, stop thinking about things to say!
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Water Spout don't even need to be a move for Kyogre because the moves sucks! The only time you use it is when your Kyogre's HP is full, nobody don't even trust that move. No!!!!! Kyogre needs Calm Mind!
Groudon can use Solar Beam, its SP.ATK on L.v100 is 240+. Bulk up is a better move than Sword Dance on Groudon, Groudon use Sword Dance but, it needs Bulk Up for its both ATK and DEF, if you use Sword Dance it will only increase its ATK which §~cks!
Slash isn't a bad move, its perfect on Blaziken, Blaziken has high ATK you nO±ß! I have no idea who told you Mirror Move sucks, but this is a *must-need* move for Blaziken, Mirror Move is wonderful you Blaziken must have low speed! Feed it Carbos please!
Oh sorry, I must of made a mistake, I meant to put "Ice Punch" insted of "Ice Beam", ! You don't always have to put Psychic on Alakazam all the time!!!! Dyamic Punch and Mega Punch sucks? Dyamic Punch and Mega Punch are alwsom moves, I don't know what the hell are you talking about.
Those moves are great on Belluom!
Hmmm.... ~

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You should edit that post out before someone sees it... ;)
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Would you all shut up about my Wigglituff? All I meant was that I was trying to get all my pokes at least level 30, and I was working with that one right now! Oh, and my lv. 100 Rayquaza kills everything in one hit anyway.
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Tory, your advice sucks, you are bad at pokemon, your reasoning is flawed beyond words, your thought process can only be described as 'not', and Gentle natures are ****. get over it.
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Tory, your advice sucks, you are bad at pokemon, your reasoning is flawed beyond words, your thought process can only be described as 'not', and Gentle natures are ****. get over it.
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check link in sig for smogon, and use their movesets. you really, really, REALLY, REALLY need it.

btw, I voted garbage
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Thank you King C. for that!
You will be banned in no time :)
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Thank you King C. for that!
You will be banned in no time :)
oh no banned! what will I ever do!

uh... not care?

oh yeah! I could ALLWAYS do that!
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oh no banned! what will I ever do!

uh... not care?

oh yeah! I could ALLWAYS do that!
Make sure you hurry up and delete that before some sees it!
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Thank you King C. for that!
You will be banned in no time :)
Your missing the c in screw btw. If anyone gets banned it should be you for posting fake teams and complaining that you get flamed.
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Your missing the c in screw btw. If anyone gets banned it should be you for posting fake teams and complaining that you get flamed.
SHUP UP, SHUT UP, SHUP UP!!!! I am no posting any fake teams!
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LOL... calm down... If your teams are not fake, then how come they are all gentle natures and why are there stats so low??
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Stop arguing and screaming your head off. If you want to rationalize, at least have your post make sense. Also, this thread is a bit off topic. Stay focused on the team. =/
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LOL... calm down... If your teams are not fake, then how come they are all gentle natures and why are there stats so low??
The shiny pokemon code, I am trying to find a code to not get Gentle nature, why yal users only care about the nature of the pokemon insted of every thing else? WHY? There is no where else to get those pokemon any way!
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The shiny pokemon code, I am trying to find a code to not get Gentle nature, why yal users only care about the nature of the pokemon insted of every thing else? WHY? There is no where else to get those pokemon any way!

Then STOP cheating and get Pokemon the legal way just like every other hard-working trainer. Good natures are essential for building a good team (and so are good stats, which your Pokemon don’t have)

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Stop arguing and screaming your head off. If you want to rationalize, at least have your post make sense. Also, this thread is a bit off topic. Stay focused on the team. =/
This is extremely on topic, his pokemon have low stats because they are not EV trained, he used gameshark to get 'em to level 100, They are all gentle because he refuses to train non shiny pokemon. Other trainers randomly find Shinies in the wild and train them accordingly. This is how the game should be played... Oh lol, I just noticed this was the rong thread=/
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The concept of fake teams and the team itself is relatively different; I was mainly referring to Kataphraktoi's post. I apologize for any confusion.
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Hmmm, I should reply to Mewtwo since he is the actual starter of this thread.

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Would you all shut up about my Wigglituff? All I meant was that I was trying to get all my pokes at least level 30, and I was working with that one right now! Oh, and my lv. 100 Rayquaza kills everything in one hit anyway.

So why including Wigglytuff on your team when it’s not going to be there for long? When making a team rate thread, choose only the Pokemon that you want on your team, not the random Pokemon that just happen to be there because you suddenly decided to level it up a little bit.
Your Rayquaza kills everything in-game in one hit because there are no other Lv. 100 opponents in the game (Battle Frontier doesn’t count, Rayquaza is banned from there). But in link-battles, can your Rayquaza kill another Lv. 100 Pokemon in one-hit? A Blissey, a Snorlax, a Swampert, even a Lanturn? That answer would be no, and that’s why you need to change your movesets if you can’t handle a large number of Pokemon.

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This is extremely on topic, his pokemon have low stats because they are not EV trained, he used gameshark to get 'em to level 100, They are all gentle because he refuses to train non shiny pokemon. Other trainers randomly find Shinies in the wild and train them accordingly. This is how the game should be played... Oh lol, I just noticed this was the rong thread=/
I do have non-shiny pokemon, I have every rare pokemon in my PC, shinys and non-shinys, my non-shiny pokemon have right natures, I just can't get the shinys to work, OK, I will start making non-shinys, but there have be cheated!

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Then STOP cheating and get Pokemon the legal way just like every other hard-working trainer. Good natures are essential for building a good team (and so are good stats, which your Pokemon don’t have)
I am sorry I can't help it! I had to go to those secret Islands, there is no where else you get, Mew, Deoxys and Ho-oh!
 

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