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Old March 23rd, 2006 (3:35 PM).
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Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 212 HP / 136 Def / 84 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Annoys Salamence, Heracross, Snorlax, and Zapdos starters, along with anything fast.

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 212 HP / 68 Def / 228 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Taunt
- Mean Look
- Wish

Standard, I think, Tauntbreon. On this team to provide Wish support.

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

Sleep absorber, Blissey counter, etc.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Def / 88 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Double-Edge

Double-Edge should do some damage on a switch to Zapdos.


Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 192 Def / 8 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Roar
- Spikes
- Thief

I don't know how much I should be relying on Umbreon's Wish support, but Thief truly can come in handy.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 172 HP / 212 Def / 24 Spd / 36 SAtk / 64 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf

Well, Regice already has Ice Beam, so I thought I'd go ahead and use Rest over Ice Beam on this.
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Paradise: Fire, Flying, Ghost, Dark, rock
Paradise: and toxic and sandstorm
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm...........
Houndoom Star: a weezing sludge bomb
Houndoom Star: ?
Paradise: no.
Paradise: Use Willowisp if you have it
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm sludge bomb didn't work
Houndoom Star: thunderbolt will work?
Paradise: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Paradise: yes.
Paraidse: yes, i told you to use electric moves
Houndoom Star: it didn't
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Old March 23rd, 2006 (3:54 PM).
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IMO this team has trouble with a tbolting mcgar
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Old March 23rd, 2006 (4:44 PM).
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Originally Posted by Paradise
Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 212 HP / 136 Def / 84 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

With Counter Regice, you'll want to give it Max HP to be able to have a better chance of surviving any physical attacks thrown at it. Also, 284 Defense (192 EVs) guarantees that Regice survives a CB Salamence's HP Flying and you'll still have enough EVs leftover for a good Sp. Attack.

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 212 HP / 68 Def / 228 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Taunt
- Mean Look
- Wish

Well, Tauntbreon only need 224 Spd EVs to outspeed Ttar, but I guess you want to outspeed other Tauntbreons too.

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

I do fancy Stalker Cross.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Def / 88 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Double-Edge

Double-Edge...interesting. Give it a little more speed (249 total) to outrun 372 speeders, especially Alakazam.

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 192 Def / 8 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Roar
- Spikes
- Thief

Thief Skarmory would do better on a Sandstorm team since the Leftovers negation hurts even more. Also, give Skarm max HP.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 172 HP / 212 Def / 24 Spd / 36 SAtk / 64 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf

I prefer 401 total HP instead of all that Sp. Defense.

Like ice_blade said, you have a McGar weakness and also a 3x Electric weakness in general (and since Regice has no Rest, it can’t keep stopping special attacks). I’d suggest replacing Gyarados for a DDMence with Rock Slide, which is basically the same thing except its stronger, faster, and has no Electric weakness.

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Old March 24th, 2006 (3:45 AM).
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Double-Edge should do some damage on a switch to Zapdos.
Sounds like suicide to me. Personally i would go with taunt or thunder(surprise skarmony).
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Old March 24th, 2006 (3:50 AM).
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Fire Blast > Thunder for Gyarados, cos it's more accurate (although the paralysis hax is nice, burn + Intimidate is slightly better. After a couple of DDances speed won't be an issue, so paralysis isn't as great). FBlast is more predictable though, so feel free to take your pick.
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Old March 24th, 2006 (11:03 AM).
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Originally Posted by Paradise
Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 212 HP / 136 Def / 84 SAtk / 76 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Counter
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Annoys Salamence, Heracross, Snorlax, and Zapdos starters, along with anything fast.

Starting with Regice is probably not good. Lead off with Umbry over Regice. Umbry has fewer weaknesses. Good set though.

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 212 HP / 68 Def / 228 Spd 212 HP/156 DEF/148 SD
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Taunt Charm
- Mean Look
- Wish

Standard, I think, Tauntbreon. On this team to provide Wish support.
No. Charmbreon over chaosbreon.
Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

Sleep absorber, Blissey counter, etc.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Def / 88 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Double-Edge

Double-Edge should do some damage on a switch to Zapdos.

good.
Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 192 Def / 8 Spd / 16 SDef Enough speed to outspeed Maggy and enough ATK to OHKO with HP Ground. Max HP and rest in DEF
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck HP Ground
- Roar Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Thief Rest

I don't know how much I should be relying on Umbreon's Wish support, but Thief truly can come in handy.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 172 HP / 212 Def / 24 Spd / 36 SAtk / 64 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Roar Ice Beam
- Surf

Well, Regice already has Ice Beam, so I thought I'd go ahead and use Rest over Ice Beam on this.
Pretty good overall. Unpredictability is good. Charmbreon will catch enemies off guard so you can lock in enemies an take out their physical attack power, then pass to Suicune and CM 6x. That is my [Charmbreon/DDMence] idea.
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Old March 24th, 2006 (11:17 AM).
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There's no point in leading off with Umbreon, IMO, as then everyone knows automatically what you're planning to do. I could see it if you were passing curses or had a Perish Songer there, but Regice does fine, seeing as it beats some of the most Common starters. And in this case, chaosbreon > charmbreon, as no one will let Charmbreon set up. Either way, Suicune would do just as fine without a charmpass since it almost physically walls random stuff and rests.

I rofl at your Skarmory E4, as in using speed for outrunning Magneton (188-208 Spd EVs) and Atk for KOing, you have NO EVS LEFT FOR HP AND DEFENSE. Meaning Skarmory would become useless as a defensive wall.

Paradise, the spread should look similar to 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def. Although, I only advise Theif in the duration of a sandstorm, and even then only on a TSS team. Personally, if I were going to try to support the team with just Umbreon, I'd use a 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SDef spread (or something similar) with a Relaxed Nature and 00 Spd IV with this set:

- Baton Pass
- Protect
- Substitute / Mean Look / Toxic
- Wish
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Old March 25th, 2006 (11:54 AM).
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I think I'll take aragornbird's advice and use DDTar over Gyarados, so there will be a sandstorm in play. But I will take your advice for Umbreon. Thanks for the rates everyone.
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Houndoom Star: What moves to use against Shedinja?
Paradise: Fire, Flying, Ghost, Dark, rock
Paradise: and toxic and sandstorm
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm...........
Houndoom Star: a weezing sludge bomb
Houndoom Star: ?
Paradise: no.
Paradise: Use Willowisp if you have it
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm sludge bomb didn't work
Houndoom Star: thunderbolt will work?
Paradise: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Paradise: yes.
Paraidse: yes, i told you to use electric moves
Houndoom Star: it didn't
Houndoom Star: Psyduck you
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Old March 25th, 2006 (6:17 PM).
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Like ice_blade said, you have a McGar weakness and also a 3x Electric weakness in general (and since Regice has no Rest, it can’t keep stopping special attacks). I’d suggest replacing Gyarados for a DDMence with Rock Slide, which is basically the same thing except its stronger, faster, and has no Electric weakness.
A heavy-hitting electric, notably zapdos, can still take out DD sulamence if im not mistaken. Be sure to have rock slide\HP rock on that salamence. (I have many bad experiances fighting zapdos :/ )
 

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