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Old March 29th, 2006 (3:56 PM).
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Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quetzalwhata
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 20 Spd / 154 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

ZOMG DON'T CLAUSE LEGENDS.

Swampert (F) @ Leftovers ** MUDDY WATERZ!!1
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 156 Def / 96 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest

Oh my a Swampert.

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers ** lol anorexia
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 136 Def / 140 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

Curselax, lol.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shooting Star
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

Spinner and special sweeper.

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Facade
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Don't **** with Chuck.

Salamence (M) @ Leftovers ** Wyvern
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 148 HP / 236 Atk / 60 Spd / 64 SAtk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Flying]

DEEDEEMENCE!

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Old March 30th, 2006 (11:17 AM).
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Rate my team.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quetzalwhata
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 20 Spd / 154 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

ZOMG DON'T CLAUSE LEGENDS.

I like some of the HP into that Spd and SAtk. My personal opinion is that his SAtk EVs should be around 172+

Swampert (F) @ Leftovers ** MUDDY WATERZ!!1
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 156 Def / 96 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest

Oh my a Swampert.

What? No SDef? Take some Def and put it in SDef, and possibly few SAtk EVs should be transfered as well. Brave Nature IMO.

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers ** lol anorexia
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 136 Def / 140 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

Curselax, lol.

Zapdos well eat you alive. At least 172 SDef, as I learned the hard way. I'm also hoping a new spread I thought of might work:

252 HP / 56 Atk / 160 Def / 40 SDef

With Careful Nature of course


Starmie @ Leftovers ** Shooting Star
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

Spinner and special sweeper.

A Few EVs from SAtk into HP and I'd say you're good. I like Surf in there somewhere, but whatever helps you sleep at night

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Facade
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Don't **** with Chuck.

Speed on a Champ? More like HP and Def IMO. Don't forget about that wonderful move called Sleep Talk as well.

Salamence (M) @ Leftovers ** Wyvern
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 148 HP / 236 Atk / 60 Spd / 64 SAtk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Flying]

DEEDEEMENCE!

WE LOVE YOU PRYOx2

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Slightly allergic to boltbeam. That's why I never use Salamence and Zapdos on the same team. I'd say run Magneton over Zapdos or something Physically Tankish over Salamence/Machamp. Also seems like you need a cleric after everyone falls asleep. After that, Zapdos gives you a hell of a hard time.
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Old March 30th, 2006 (2:48 PM).
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Your team looks pretty good. But if it was me I would use DDragonite over DDsalamence and a Heracross over machamp.
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Old March 30th, 2006 (3:48 PM).
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Slightly allergic to boltbeam. That's why I never use Salamence and Zapdos on the same team. I'd say run Magneton over Zapdos or something Physically Tankish over Salamence/Machamp. Also seems like you need a cleric after everyone falls asleep. After that, Zapdos gives you a hell of a hard time.
I hadn't even thought of Zappy weak. I just wanted to use him because I don't seem him anymore.

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Your team looks pretty good. But if it was me I would use DDragonite over DDsalamence and a Heracross over machamp.
DDMence is much better than DDNite.

CB Machamp is awesome dude. Not much can switch into him because almost everything takes a heavy hit from him. Not much can really wall Machamp.
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Old March 30th, 2006 (3:54 PM).
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[font=tahoma]DDMence is much better than DDnite
I don't understand. Wouldn't dragonite's defence stats make it better? Allowing it to use more DD's?
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Old March 30th, 2006 (5:26 PM).
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I don't understand. Wouldn't dragonite's defence stats make it better? Allowing it to use more DD's?
Both of there base stat totals add up equaly but Mence gets more speed and attack so it can use DD's more effectivly. He is also considered to be better in general.
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Old March 31st, 2006 (9:25 AM).
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If Machamp is statused, Facade will have a base power of 100. You can get 2 more base power with Return/Frustration, without having to get statused. Just replace with Sleep Talk imo. Synchronize got the rest.
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Old March 31st, 2006 (10:26 AM).
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That doesn't sound right for some odd reason. Guts and the Facade effect should provide a higher Base Power than 100. Either way I wouldn't suggest it, as Weezing will still wall you.
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Crap, I forgot to take Guts into effect =/. Still though, Sleep Talk is better.
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Paradise: Fire, Flying, Ghost, Dark, rock
Paradise: and toxic and sandstorm
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm...........
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Houndoom Star: ?
Paradise: no.
Paradise: Use Willowisp if you have it
Houndoom Star: hmmmmm sludge bomb didn't work
Houndoom Star: thunderbolt will work?
Paradise: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Paradise: yes.
Paraidse: yes, i told you to use electric moves
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Old March 31st, 2006 (1:49 PM).
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I don't even know why I put all those Speed EVs on him. He only needs a 180 Speed stat. This is the new Machamp

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band ** Chuck Norris
Trait: Guts
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Facade
- Hidden Power

Paradise, 70 x 2 (Facade)=140. So Guts plus boosted Facade would do more damage than Reture/Frustration.
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Old March 31st, 2006 (1:50 PM).
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If Machamp is statused, Facade will have a base power of 100.

What? No…Façade has a base power of 140 after status. And that’s without the Guts boost. It’s almost as strong as a STAB Cross Chop, but with a lot more Accuracy and PP.

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Old March 31st, 2006 (3:33 PM).
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What? No…Façade has a base power of 140 after status. And that’s without the Guts boost. It’s almost as strong as a STAB Cross Chop, but with a lot more Accuracy and PP.

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Well technically Guts boosts just base attack. Not move power.
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Old March 31st, 2006 (6:09 PM).
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Well technically Guts boosts just base attack. Not move power.

I know that. I’m just saying that even without Guts, a boosted Façade is only 10 points short of a Hyper Beam.

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Old April 1st, 2006 (1:41 AM).
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Running Facade + CC on champ deserves the plus of an HP GHOST
don't waste Speed EVs on champ either
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Old April 1st, 2006 (8:11 AM).
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Running Facade + CC on champ deserves the plus of an HP GHOST
don't waste Speed EVs on champ either
Rock Slide can hit Ghosts.

It can use a little bit of speed.
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Synchronize is right on machamp, put the speed EV's in Defence and HP as Machamp isn't gonna outspeed anything
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Old April 1st, 2006 (9:02 AM).
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Synchronize is right on machamp, put the speed EV's in Defence and HP as Machamp isn't gonna outspeed anything

Actually with 180 speed he outspeeds Metagross.
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Old April 1st, 2006 (9:29 AM).
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Still... 252 is a little redundant
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Old April 1st, 2006 (11:57 AM).
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Still... 252 is a little redundant
It;s not redundant, just weird. I don't know why it was all there anyway. It was because I had to go and I just quickly set the EVs and never changed them, hmm. So I just went for CBer EVs.

I changed it a while ago though and posted it. Look up in the thread.
 

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