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Old April 8th, 2006 (4:16 AM).
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Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Rubben Studdard
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EVs: 252 HP / 104 Atk / 76 Def / 76 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Shadow Ball
- Sleep Talk

I swear the EVs work extra well on the Stalking set. CBSala actually 3HKOs (2HKO on account of double-edge, but meh).
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hmm it can be interesting, get on netbattle plox.
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Old April 8th, 2006 (6:43 PM).
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You've already witnessed its 1337ness, jc.
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Old April 9th, 2006 (12:38 PM).
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That picture is obviously Link vs. Volvagia, if that's what you were asking. but please dont do that again.
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Old April 10th, 2006 (9:20 AM).
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Okay, Synch, time to play "educate the old guy" again. What is 1337ness????

BTW - I used to run Rest/Sleep Talk on Snorlax back in the day before I became edumacated about Curse. Please let me know how successful that bad boy is. I might revisit it.
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Old April 10th, 2006 (9:26 AM).
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I find Amnesia lax effective as well, never tried S-talking Lax. Might work.

Synch loves Umbry, right? So he says that Umbry has "1337ness".
1337=awesome
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Okay, Synch, time to play "educate the old guy" again. What is 1337ness????

BTW - I used to run Rest/Sleep Talk on Snorlax back in the day before I became edumacated about Curse. Please let me know how successful that bad boy is. I might revisit it.
To reply to both yours and E4's post, Stalkerlax is amazing with enough Attack EVs. It's obvious a STABed Double-Edge off a base 110 hurts when it's not resisted, but when you can do it while you're asleep, it becomes even more dangerous. It's also a pain for those Random Gengars with Hypnosis, and even some with WoW. The effects of curse are a negligible loss in this case.
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Okay, Synch, time to play "educate the old guy" again. What is 1337ness????

BTW - I used to run Rest/Sleep Talk on Snorlax back in the day before I became edumacated about Curse. Please let me know how successful that bad boy is. I might revisit it.
To reply to both yours and E4's post, Stalkerlax is amazing with enough Attack EVs. It's obvious a STABed Double-Edge off a base 110 hurts when it's not resisted, but when you can do it while you're asleep, it becomes even more dangerous. It's also a pain for those Random Gengars with Hypnosis, and even some with WoW. The effects of curse are a negligible loss in this case.
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That picture is obviously Link vs. Volvagia, if that's what you were asking. but please dont do that again.
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Amnesia lax sux and Stalker lax is actually good... But why amnesia!!!! it doesnt need that much... Stab Psychic from zam onli takes 100 to begin with and thats a powerfl SP.atk right there. Stalker lax rocks like Stalker milo but the bad thing is its too random...
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I dont understand the apeal of the rest talking sets actually. The few times i have seen them, i came out with the upper hand by switching something that cant be ohkoed by it and setting up a bit. I like it in GSC, but in adv its sooo easy to setup and sweep
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I dont understand the apeal of the rest talking sets actually. The few times i have seen them, i came out with the upper hand by switching something that cant be ohkoed by it and setting up a bit. I like it in GSC, but in adv its sooo easy to setup and sweep
It allows the Pokemon to basicly have a chance to not lose those turns in which it is sleeping.
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I dont understand the apeal of the rest talking sets actually. The few times i have seen them, i came out with the upper hand by switching something that cant be ohkoed by it and setting up a bit. I like it in GSC, but in adv its sooo easy to setup and sweep

It's just as effective in Advance as it is in GSC. In fact, RestTalking might be even more useful in Advance due to traits. Guts increases the Attack of the user by 50% if it gets statused, INCLUDING Sleep. By putting yourself to sleep, you're boosting your own attack and since you have Rest, you can heal again if you're low on health. Heracross and Machamp use this strategy to great advantage.

Now Snorlax uses Sleep Talk because then it is able to counter the new Metal-Sound Zapdos. If Snorlax were to Rest without Sleep Talk, Zapdos would Metal Sound its Special Defense and kill it with Thunderbolt. By Sleep Talking, Snorlax gains a chance against Zappy even while sleeping.

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How much is that metal sound zapdos actually used? On netbattle chat the other day general census was that it was very overrated, although I dont know how much weight that has. I have had it used on me, but i took it out far easier than the sleep talker zapdos, which is a royal pain.

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It allows the Pokemon to basicly have a chance to not lose those turns in which it is sleeping.
While being vulnerable to attacks. Heracross for example has 4x weakness to flying...while your gambling on a 33.3% chance to use a attack to ohko(you hope anyway). Thats only a bit better than an ohko move.

And just as effective in adv? You can run rest on practicly every poke in gsc and get away with it. While it is a great move on some pokes, that general statement doesnt tie in with what ive seen personally.
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How much is that metal sound zapdos actually used? On netbattle chat the other day general census was that it was very overrated, although I dont know how much weight that has. I have had it used on me, but i took it out far easier than the sleep talker zapdos, which is a royal pain.
Metal Sound Zapdos is used quite often, as I'm sure we all like a chance to take down a special wall with a special sweeper. It's not overrated, as aThunderbolt off a STABed base 120 SAtk will usually 2-3HKO Snorlax after a Metal Sound. Heck I've seen Zapdos nearly 5HKO without it.

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While being vulnerable to attacks. Heracross for example has 4x weakness to flying...while your gambling on a 33.3% chance to use a attack to ohko(you hope anyway). Thats only a bit better than an ohko move.
You wouldn't keep Hera in on a Flying Type anyway, unless you know it's slower and can be OHKOd. Even then, you wouldn't gamble with Stalking 1 on 1 vs a Flying type unless you were desperate.

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And just as effective in adv? You can run rest on practicly every poke in gsc and get away with it. While it is a great move on some pokes, that general statement doesnt tie in with what ive seen personally.
Well, if we're talking a CBer that's been Sleep Powdered or Hypnotized and uses Sleep Talk, then it's a pretty cool move as it was in GSC. However, in advanced, i must agree with you as Now that Rest is available in your sleep talking options, Nintendo has almost screwed you over.

still, Overall, Stalking is for defensive purposes, and not really meant to be used such as when Zapdos is up against a CBMence and has Thunderbolt and HP Ice in it's arsenal. You should play it smart and switch as effetively as you would when the sleep talker was awake.
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You wouldn't keep Hera in on a Flying Type anyway, unless you know it's slower and can be OHKOd. Even then, you wouldn't gamble with Stalking 1 on 1 vs a Flying type unless you were desperate.
I only mean you have to hope that the move you want\need is chosen, although snorlax is tough enough to take a few hits in the interm.
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I only mean you have to hope that the move you want\need is chosen, although snorlax is tough enough to take a few hits in the interm.
Not necessarily true, as say you were using CB Hera with sleep talk. You're not asleep, and you use Megahorn, knowing you wanted to use Rock Slide, predicting a Sala switch in. But in the case of Heracross using Sleep Talk, it's pretty much random, so the same effect almost applies.

Yes, that was confusing but that's the only way I could get it out.
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