Pokémon Chit-Chat

Started by Natsuki April 9th, 2006 1:15 PM
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Natsuki

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Well, we're going to start anew with the Pokemon Chit-Chat thread. ^^ Here, you can talk about anything Pokemon-related. Please abide by The PokeCommunity Rules as well as the Pokemon General Rules. Let's keep the conversations clean everyone - commence with the Pokechatting~! X3

~Kelsey

NOTE: This thread is not to be used to ask things like "What's a good moveset for my Ruby team?" or other such questions. Those belong in their respective forums for the Pokemon video games (i.e. - the "Simple Questions" threads). This thread is simply for general discussions on the wonderful world of Pokemon~ =)
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Coolness, a new Pokemon CC?

Anyways, I have to say that Nintendo should stop making new baby Pokemon. A lot of the Pokemon need Evolutions, not Preevolutions. Mantine, Sudowoodo, Mr. Mime – they’re rather weak compared to other Pokemon. If they got evolutions, more people would use them since they’ll be stronger. Preevolutions don’t help. Unless, the babies learned some cool attack that the parents can’t learn. Calm Mind Mantine, anyone? But this is unlikely.

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I actually don't really like any of the new baby pokemon (or most baby pokemon in general, really. I'm just not fond of most of the designs), so I dislike the fact that we've gotten a bunch of new babies. I'd rather have more evolutions, if nothing else. x.x I have no use for babies other than to get them into my pokedex.

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Anyways, I have to say that Nintendo should stop making new baby Pokemon. A lot of the Pokemon need Evolutions, not Preevolutions.
Agreed. Even digging back further with the baby Pokemon that have been introduced in GSC and RS, it feels a bit pointless. I mean, sure, it was cute for a little while after GSC was released, but slowly, I think it got old. That and it just feels like it's an attempt by Game Freak to get some player interest in Pokemon that many of us, quite frankly, don't care about to begin with. Seriously, by a show of hands, who really remembered Mantine existed before Tamanta came out?

As for the moves, I just don't see why they can't just add on moves to the movepools of Pokemon, rather than create baby Pokemon that can pass those moves on, if that makes any sense. After all, it's not like movepools have never been changed before, what with the constant altering of what level a Pokemon is at when it learns a certain move. (For example: Vulpix with Fire Spin.)

So, let's see. What are we up to by now? Four baby Pokemon so far, bringing the number at roughly half of all of the revealed Pokemon thus far?

All I have to say, then, is the next revealed Pokemon had better be a brand-new one and not a baby, or I'll have to sacrifice a Pichu to Ho-oh.
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But Mantine has a bad movepool while Gyarados could learn a ton of moves. And compared to all the better Water types out there, Mantine just doesn’t cut it.

I also fear a baby Skarmory, since Skarm is Mantine’s counterpart.

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Merchandise of baby pokemon may make good profits with girls, but I don't want useless pokemon.

And cute doesn't cut it with me.
True. Cute does not make it worth putting in the game. I wouldn't really mind having some baby Pokemon around, but evolutions would be much better. The only baby Pokemon I found actually useful was Tyrogue, since then you can get all the Hitmons.
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Then let us broil that kid with Charizards.
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Some kid told me pokemon was g-a-y on my MySpace. [I have my picture in a Pokemon card]

And I was like "blah to you =P"

But the fact is, the game is completely appropriate for teens.
You can't say that ;D

I saw that pic. Wasn't it the Shiftry pic? I would have done the sandstorm picture instead.
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But the fact is, the game is completely appropriate for teens.
Not really too fitting though... the plot is beyond terrible. I know that Pokemon game doesn't really focus on the concept of "plot" so much, but seeing how they tried with Team Magma/Team Aqua and the gamecube games, it's safe to say that Pokemon and "good plot" are not fitting with each other.

Compare true "teen games" like Kingdom Heart series... I think it's rather obvious what's wrong with Pokemon and why it's a kids' game, and it merits the title of "kids' game" rightfully so.

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I'd hate to go back on the subject, but...

Mantine isn't bad in the meta game, besides having a double weakness to electric =/ But so did gyrados.
Based on personal observation, it was still fairly forgotten compared to other Pokemon, especially -- for one reason or another -- Milotic. (Which is kinda funny because Mantine actually has better stats for its purpose than Milotic anyway.) In fact, I haven't seen a team involving Mantine for quite awhile. Maybe it's just been the server and boards I've been visiting.
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Not really too fitting though... the plot is beyond terrible. I know that Pokemon game doesn't really focus on the concept of "plot" so much, but seeing how they tried with Team Magma/Team Aqua and the gamecube games, it's safe to say that Pokemon and "good plot" are not fitting with each other.

Compare true "teen games" like Kingdom Heart series... I think it's rather obvious what's wrong with Pokemon and why it's a kids' game, and it merits the title of "kids' game" rightfully so.

Plotwise, I couldn’t care less. What older players like about Pokemon is the battling (especially competitive battling). There’s so much involved in battling that little kids can’t grasp, like the element of prediction, team roles, and all the invisible stats involved like EVs, IVs, damage calculations etc.

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Plotwise, I couldn’t care less. What older players like about Pokemon is the battling (especially competitive battling). There’s so much involved in battling that little kids can’t grasp, like the element of prediction, team roles, and all the invisible stats involved like EVs, IVs, damage calculations etc.

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I agree with Birdy on this one. In fact, I think the games were actually directed a little more towards older kids because of the strategic value, whereas the anime and movies were made more with younger kids in mind. Of course either age group could be involved in the games and the series of they want, I'm just saying~ 8D

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In my opinion, the Pokémon games are suitable for people of all ages. Just playing through the game can be more than a challenge to those who don't know anything about EVs, IVs, movesets etc, while for those who do, the games rarely prove to be a challenge. Playing the game through like this is really no problem once you get the hang of EVs, movesets etc. And that's why we have competitive battling, where you can match up with someone of your skill level (I had no such luck untill very recently though. I have a couple of friends who used to play Pokémon, but they were both completely horrible. I remember my friend bragging with his Gyarados with Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard and Hyper Beam x_x Good thing I now have my brother to compete with).

The games can atleast prove to be somehow challenging for anyone as long as you use the right Pokémon though. Let's say you have a fully EV trained team with a perfect team set up, the best movesets and the strongest OU Pokémon (even though many UUs, like Cradily, for example, can easily defeat many standard OU Pokémon.) and you're a player who knows how to use them. The games won't be much of a challenge now, will they? But let's start a new game and make a team with the Pokémon Mantine, Murkrow, Wigglytuff and equally unerdused Pokémon (I'm not saying any of these would be bad Pokémon if used correctly. Most Pokémon with atleast decent movepools can be surprisingly useful. How often do you see a Sharpedo, for example? I thought so, but it's still a perfect CBer and Heracross counter, it easily ohKOs Heracross with Hidden Power flying, and even if it was an endure/reversal Heracross Sharpedo's Rough Skin would take care of it). This would prove to be at least slightly more challenging, nay? It's all about wether you want it to be challenging or wether you just want to kick every trainer's butt efortlessly.