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Old April 15th, 2006 (9:13 PM).
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No seriously, I got better within 15 minutes of making this team. Jc can tell you this is one of my cooler ones.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 120 Spd / 16 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 236 HP / 76 Atk / 58 Def / 140 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Return

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 82 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 204 HP / 170 Atk / 40 Spd / 96 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 172 HP / 16 Atk / 160 Def / 96 SAtk / 66 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 38 Atk / 204 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes


I'm thinking Counter on pert.
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Old April 15th, 2006 (9:21 PM).
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hp/bug>counter and protect on pert

EDIT: shadow ball>eq on snorlax imo
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Old April 16th, 2006 (9:21 AM).
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hp/bug>counter and protect on pert

EDIT: shadow ball>eq on snorlax imo
Tyranitar takes care of Celebi, so Swampert has no worries there to use HP Bug. Besides, putting HP Bug in place of the other three moves on a Protect set i not negotiable.

Snorlax needs EQ so it doesn't get screwed by Tyranitar and Meta after the curse. I've got multiple things that take on Gengar.
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Old April 16th, 2006 (12:07 PM).
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i shoulda looked at the whole team

thats y i dont play ou :/
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Old April 16th, 2006 (1:03 PM).
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HP Bug still has an advantage of being on Swampert rather than Tyranitar, Celebi will stay in on Swampert to get ko'd, while it will switch out against Tyranitar. That would also let you use HP Rock instead of Rock Slide, as Tyranitar is too slow to take advantage of flinch anyway and the misses hurt.

But seriously, solid team.

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Old April 16th, 2006 (3:14 PM).
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Bulky Waters give a big "eff you" to this team, most notably Swampert and CalmCune. T-Bolt > Ice Punch on Jirachi.
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Old April 16th, 2006 (6:48 PM).
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Bulky Waters give a big "eff you" to this team, most notably Swampert and CalmCune. T-Bolt > Ice Punch on Jirachi.
*only Suicune

I've seen TTar 2HKO Milo and 3HKO Swampert. also 3HKOs Suicune, but Suicune outruns it

I'm currently using Thunder on Jirachi. EV suggestions on that guy would be of help.
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Old April 17th, 2006 (2:29 PM).
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Speed can be nice on Jirachi, but not really required...

I'd just run 400 HP, 315-320 Def, rest split your choice. (Bold of course)
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Old April 18th, 2006 (10:12 AM).
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No seriously, I got better within 15 minutes of making this team. Jc can tell you this is one of my cooler ones.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 120 Spd / 16 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Punch Psyburn>Psyfreeze IMO so use Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 236 HP / 76 Atk / 58 Def / 140 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Earthquake Shadow Ball>EQ IMO
- Rest
- Return

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 82 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

DDTar>CBTar, again IMO

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 204 HP / 170 Atk / 40 Spd / 96 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 172 HP / 16 Atk / 160 Def / 96 SAtk / 66 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 38 Atk / 204 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes


I'm thinking Counter on pert.
Go for it.

Also, check this out.
Heracross with your EVs has 362 ATK iirc. OK now check this out.
Guts from Sleep Talk will increase ATK by 1.5x.
Now you have 543 ATK.
Now, add Facade's 1.5x ATK boost from sleep.
You now have 815 ATK, enough to OHKO everything with Facade, except maybe Skarm with max HP and DEF, or Aggron in UU. Go with this over Brick Break.

God, e4 2v2 Swellow gets up to 996 ATK with Facade/max+ ATK/CB. See Facade's power sweep teams.
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Old April 18th, 2006 (10:34 AM).
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Brick Break gets STAB, making more useful than facade. Also doesn't let stuff like Skarm wall it. Flying types and Weezing you say? There's a reasone we know how to switch.
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Old April 18th, 2006 (10:39 AM).
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Do a few damage calculations and you will see Facade's power. I have even given you the attack power that Heracross will have.
Which is better, using a 112.5 power move off of a 543 ATK or a 60 power move off of a 815 ATK?

Also, how did you get the "Strategy Dream Team" banner?
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Old April 18th, 2006 (1:06 PM).
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Facade also isn't STAB'd, and is walled by the first steel type that strolls in. Brick Break not only gets STAB, but can break a Reflect and hits Skarm/Forry/Metagross/etc. for powerful neutral damage and can actually score SE hits on things like Lax/Bliss.

And for your information, Facade does NOT work while sleeping. I tested it personally, it only activates on Paralyze, Burn, and Poison.

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Old April 24th, 2006 (1:44 PM).
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Why dont u got draagon dance on tyranitar?
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Old April 24th, 2006 (1:51 PM).
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Because it’s Choice Banded. Why would you use Dragon Dance on a CBer?

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Old April 24th, 2006 (1:52 PM).
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choice band whats the differnece? Whats it do? And how come i 1hit Koed a snorlax and a blissley both lvl 100 maxed stats, with only my swampert?
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Choice band adds 1.5x damage to an attack but only lets you use that one move.

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You’ve never used Choice Band before? Choice Band increase your Pokemon’s attack by 50%, but you can only use one move at a time. So you can’t use non-damaging moves because you won’t be able to use another move until you switch out.

Also, your second question is completely unrelated to the topic. But a high-Attack Swampert can easily OKO a Blissey if it doesn’t have any Defense EVs and it can OKO a Snorlax due to a critical hit.
Or you could have used Curse before and that's why you are so powerful.

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