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Old May 22nd, 2006 (1:24 PM).
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I noticed that in that Fly isn't really that bad of a move.

I mean, in some sets it is and some sets it isn't.

Like Crobat for example.

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So it has 90 accuracy! Its better than Protect in my opinion.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (1:30 PM).
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I never thought it was bad. You can dodge one attack for a turn (well Thunder has a chance of hitting you, but not that much). Then do damage.

Yeah its better than protect. Its power is 70 then you get STAB wich makes it 105. Much better than Wing Attack. Plus in-game you can save much more time.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (1:58 PM).
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Yes, Fly really is that bad. I never understood why people think dodging an attack for a turn is good. It is not.

You say that Fly is better than Wing Attack, but I is horribly weaker. Keep in mind that while Fly is 70 AP, it takes TWO TURNS in order to deal that damage, not to mention the fact that you have two turns where there is a 10% chance your Fly will miss. Now, compare that to Wing Attack (or what I prefer in Aerial Ace) that is lower at 60 AP, but you can use it twice during the time you can only use Fly once. Simple math shows us that two attacks of WA/AA yields 120 damage while one attack of Fly yields only 70.

The ONLY benefit of Fly is when you use it on a Poke like Crobat that uses ToxiFuse, where the extra turn of Fly causes more damage to the opponent Poke. Other than that, Fly is worthless.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (2:25 PM).
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Other than the whole base power thing that shane's talking abt in his post above, there's always the possibility that ur opponent can switch to something resistant to flying moves when ur up in the air...Thats a full turn wasted and will probably end up with u being OHKO if its an electric type or a rock type.

BTW annoys such as ur crobat are looked down on.They draw out battles and dont get anything done in the process.
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-aerial ace
-steelwing/return/HP[ground/fighting]
-shadow ball

HP[ground/fighting] is for NB.
He makes one of the best heracross counters.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (2:37 PM).
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Bad?

Dude, Fly is awesome... its anything but bad to me.
I actually rather like that attack. It lets my Pidgeot win lots of battles. ^^
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (2:45 PM).
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Bad?

Dude, Fly is awesome... its anything but bad to me.
I actually rather like that attack. It lets my Pidgeot win lots of battles. ^^
Obviously, you have never NBed

HP[Flying] does 70 base - the same as Fly - in 2 turns, so basiclly its a waste of time.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (2:53 PM).
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Obviously, you have never NBed

HP[Flying] does 70 base - the same as Fly - in 2 turns, so basiclly its a waste of time.
With Toxic its a lot better than stupid Protect.
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Old May 22nd, 2006 (2:58 PM).
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Toxic isnt that great a strategy to use, The words "Switch" could kill your strategy and a Switch to Blissey would make it worse :/
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What's up with the horrible EV spread? O.o

And either way, that moveset fails. Your opponent will be most likely to either switch in Blissey, Zappy, Raikou, Jolteon, Metagross and X amount of other things when you use Fly.

And you'll be screwed if your opponent switches in an Electric type the same turn you use Fly.

Fly would only work together with Mean Look, but a Choice Band Crobat seriously pwn every other Crobat set.
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Dude, Fly is awesome... its anything but bad to me.
I actually rather like that attack. It lets my Pidgeot win lots of battles. ^^
If you think Fly is good, you either haven't played Netbattle, or... you lose most of your NB battles x_x
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (5:17 AM).
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CROBAT @ Leftovers
Inner Focus

Fly
Toxic
Mean Look
Confuse ray

Here's Trapbat :). That's a nice use for fly, but he isn't used anymore, you wonder why? Because he's lame these days because he gets killed by anything. Of course ingame anything is good, you can make the crappiest moveset in the world and still beat the entire game and the Elite 4. I did, the first time I played, but that's when I didn't know what the hell pokemon battles are. So, Yo, don't think you know better than the people here, because you don't. (Not including me, I'm rather new, but I think I can learn fast enough :P)
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (5:37 AM).
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CROBAT @ Leftovers
Inner Focus

Fly
Toxic
Mean Look
Confuse ray

Here's Trapbat :). That's a nice use for fly, but he isn't used anymore, you wonder why? Because he's lame these days because he gets killed by anything. Of course ingame anything is good, you can make the crappiest moveset in the world and still beat the entire game and the Elite 4. I did, the first time I played, but that's when I didn't know what the hell pokemon battles are. So, Yo, don't think you know better than the people here, because you don't. (Not including me, I'm rather new, but I think I can learn fast enough :P)
Wow! A Trapbat? Wow! Wow! Awsome! Sure.

I happened to get a Crobat with these stats.

HP-374
Atk-291
Def-266
Sp Atk-91
Sp Def-280
Speed-332

Go ahead Doom Hammer! Find something wrong with this.
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (6:36 AM).
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Even with those alleged stats, Trapbat fails in today's metagame. It worked in GSC, but CBbat is MUCH more effective.
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (7:13 AM).
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I didn't even use EVs on those stats though.
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Not sure what your post has to do with the topic at hand, but okay, your Crobat has good stats. Just make sure to teach it Aerial Ace instead of Fly.
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (9:46 AM).
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Oh, let me see, no! Fly is good in this case and its worked out for me. If you have a problem with that, who cares.
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Those stats must be sharked because they are too high for RSE. NB teambuilder cannot reach those stats with everything perfect.
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Old May 23rd, 2006 (10:59 AM).
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If you did manage to get those stats, don't know how, though, then why in the world would you waste them on a staller? You don't need toxic, you can go better with this

CROBAT @ Choice Band
Inner Focus

Sludge Bomb
Aerial Ace
Shadow Ball
HP Ground/Fighting/filler

Anyway, if there's no changing your mind, many people that know what they're saying tried to convince you, go with your bloody Fly. And I suggest that nobody should be wasting their time to tell you wrong.
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Other than the whole base power thing that shane's talking abt in his post above, there's always the possibility that ur opponent can switch to something resistant to flying moves when ur up in the air...Thats a full turn wasted and will probably end up with u being OHKO if its an electric type or a rock type.

BTW annoys such as ur crobat are looked down on.They draw out battles and dont get anything done in the process.
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Crobat[Adamant]@choice band
-sludge bomb
-aerial ace
-steelwing/return/HP[ground/fighting]
-shadow ball

HP[ground/fighting] is for NB.
He makes one of the best heracross counters.
Actually AA is just a substitute for HP [Flying] so in the second slot it's going to be AA/HP and in the third slot it's going to be Return.
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My Crobat worked out for me and its fine the way it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
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My Crobat worked out for me and its fine the way it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes ingame. If you play on NB or anyone that is good at Pokemon then that set won't work. Plus you shouldn't even post here if you're not going to take advice.
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Yes ingame. If you play on NB or anyone that is good at Pokemon then that set won't work. Plus you shouldn't even post here if you're not going to take advice.
I was just trying to prove a point. I'm sorry if I offened anyone, but my Crobat with my Mr. Mime, Meganium, Golem, Blastoise, and Entei kick butt in NetBattle and Battle Tower. I've beaten Battle Tower exactly 500 times with this team and only lost 3 times on NetBattle, so I'm sorry that it seemed to you that my Crobat is bad. Fine, I'll try your moveset if it makes you so happy and I'll prove that my Crobat is better off the way it is.
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I was just trying to prove a point. I'm sorry if I offened anyone, but my Crobat with my Mr. Mime, Meganium, Golem, Blastoise, and Entei kick butt in NetBattle and Battle Tower. I've beaten Battle Tower exactly 500 times with this team and only lost 3 times on NetBattle, so I'm sorry that it seemed to you that my Crobat is bad. Fine, I'll try your moveset if it makes you so happy and I'll prove that my Crobat is better off the way it is.
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