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What is faster though? Dual 2GHz Power Mac G5 or AMD's latest processor?

And btw the G5 chip IS a combination of the P4 chip (one of them as far as I know).
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    What is faster though? Dual 2GHz Power Mac G5 or AMD's latest processor?

    And btw the G5 chip IS a combination of the P4 chip (one of them as far as I know).
    Intel's latest processor as of last check. I am looking into AMD's and Intel's newly released processors now.

    Btw, no it isn't because the latest G5 is one of the slowest (both performance per clock and wise GHz wise) processors on the market today.

    Edit: I just finshed reading the review. The Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz Extreme Edition (aka. Xeon MP in P4 camaflague) exceeds the Athlon 64 FX-51 at streaming data processing (e.g. video games), multimedia files encoding (e.g. video editing), and mutithreading (e.g. Photoshop). The AMD Athlon 64 FX-51 exceeds the Pentium 4 3.2GHz Extreme Edition at scientific (99.9% of all computer users don't use this) and bussiness (do you really need hundreds of fps in MS Word? it doesn't make your more productive).

    As You can see, I am slightly biased since Intel because their processors are optimized for the growing needs of the vast majority of the people who use them. Not to mention they are highly scalable (Highest Northwood P4 core will go at is 4.2GHz while the highest the Althon Barton core will go at is 2.4GHz last check).
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      Hmmmmm. I want to get my hands on P4 Techology..

      This is my dream computer:

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      Hmmm. Who knows, I might get a laptop of my own someday.
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          That thing is so powerful you'd probably die if you touched it... *_*;

          Is Blackcomb the name for the next Windows, or is that something different? I thought the next Windows was 2005?
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            I thought there was a new operating system called "longhorn"?
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              Longhorn is the next generation desktop version of Windows. Blackcomb is the desktop/server version that follows it.
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                Have they decided an abbreviation for it? Few people are going to want to type or say that out each time they refer to it.

                It's going to handle 64-bit processors right?
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                  The software must be compiled for use with different processors. There is a 64bit version of XP and its server counterpart, Windows 2003 Server.
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                    Yes, of course. There's 64-bit versions of most of the operating systems, just few programs that are configured for it.
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                    Old September 24th, 2003 (3:18 PM).
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                      But, theres a disavantage for 64-bit operating systems.

                      They cannot run 32-bit or 16-bit programs.
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                        That isn't necessarily true. Windows XP 64Bit edition emulates 32Bit for the Itanium while it just changes 32bit calls to 64bit calls on the Althon.
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                        Old September 24th, 2003 (6:18 PM).
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                          Whaaaaaaa!... Hmmmm. I never used the 64-bit verson of Windows XP yet... I never touch complicated stuff.. anyways..
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                          Old November 1st, 2003 (12:17 PM).
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                          SA said the Power Mac G5 was the slowest PC around on the market a while ago.
                          That might be false.
                          SA have you tried the G5 at all?

                          Anyway very soon speed will not be a necessity. They we'll be looking at Hard Drives, RAM and Graphics.
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                          Old November 1st, 2003 (1:58 PM).
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                            The benchmarks are good enough for me. I don't need to use an obsolute computer to discover what review sites have prediscovered for me. Not to mention Apple's PCs are known for being slow.
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                            Old November 1st, 2003 (7:28 PM).
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                              Well, I thought Macs are sposed to be better than PCs.

                              PCs is the real McCroy. Nothing can beat it. Not even VMS(Virtual Machines) (which is the half of the proformance of the real thing.)

                              If you are picking out a VM software for windows, Stay away from Virtual PC... It's evil! (because it's made by microsoft)
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                              Old November 2nd, 2003 (12:18 AM).
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                              Why stay away? Virtual PC was made by Connectix originally... nothing except the copyrights have actually changed in it.

                              I got positive and negative stuff about the Power Mac G5 when reading Australian Personal Computer magazine.

                              And what about the memory bandwidth? 16 GB/s? 1GHz Frontside bus speed? 2 FPUs? 2 Integer Units? 4 instructions per branch of maximum execution and 16 stages of pipeline depth? 4 SIMD units and 8GB Max. Memory (although rumoured it will go to 4TB)?

                              I hear they're working on the 3Ghz Dual Power Mac G5.
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                                Well, I used to have Virtual PC but it uses too much memory and it wasn't funny at all. The windows verson doesn't support USB devices and it's just runs too slow.

                                vmWare is the real mccoy! It only costs 299 for the download verson of it.

                                BTW: I was talking about the windows verson of virtualPC.
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                                Old November 3rd, 2003 (12:58 PM).
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                                Horray! I got my G4 setup with Virtual PC!
                                Believe me it was painful since installing was cumbersome. I am currently using Windows XP to type this message.
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                                Old November 3rd, 2003 (1:14 PM).
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                                  Well Congrats!

                                  Well, my VM has Windows NT 4 installed on it... but no sound though. :D
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                                  Old November 3rd, 2003 (7:02 PM).
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                                  *sigh* The Microsoft Windows versions of all the Microsoft programs I have are all better than mine...
                                  Bad MICROSOFT! Bad!
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                                  Old November 4th, 2003 (6:15 PM).
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                                    I see... Microsoft's counterpart is 10x slower and worse on a Mac then...
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                                      Does that thing work on your Virtual PC for Mac? I am just woundering (because the windows verson is soooo crappy!)
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                                      Many USB devices work with Virtual PC for Macintosh.
                                      And, if the device isn't compatible with the Mac OS, it might work with Virtual PC anyway, even if there are no Mac drivers.

                                      The Power Mac G5 can run almost all 32-bit applications, and Panther handles the processor(s) neatly as one OS. There isn't exactly a 64-bit version (although there was for 10.2.7 Jaguar) but if there is it would probably be installed chosen automatically during installation.
                                      10.2.7 (G5 version) or later is needed to control the fans and the 64-bit processor.
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