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Old May 25th, 2006 (6:29 AM). Edited May 27th, 2006 by Lord Mike.
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There are many great Pokemon, individually good for their own special reasons.

Some may include double status infecters.

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Nature: Bold/Calm
-Toxic
-Synthesis
-Giga Drain
-Leech Seed

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Nature: Calm
-Confuse Ray
-Rest
-Will-o-wisp
-Flamethrower

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Nature: Bold/Calm
-Toxic
-Rest/Wish
-Confuse Ray
-Mean Look

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-Confuse Ray
-Toxic
-Rest/Mean Look
-Shadow Ball

Those are just a few.

Then you got Passers. Their main job is to pass special effects from moves such as Calm Mind, Substitute, Agility, Sword Dance, etc.

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Nature: Jolly
-Silver Wind
-Agility/Iron Defense
-Sword Dance
-Baton Pass

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Nature: Timid
-Psychic
-Baton Pass
-Calm Mind
-Wish

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Nature: Jolly
-Agility
-Silver Wind
-Sword Dance
-Baton Pass

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Nature: Timid
-Calm Mind
-Encore
-Baton Pass
-Psychic

There are many more.

Then there are Pokemon that should just attack right away. They usually have high Atk, Sp Atk, and/or Speed and low Defensive stats.

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Nature: Lonely
-Earthquake
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Double-Edge

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Nature: Rash
-Earthquake
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Double-Edge

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Nature: Hasty
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb

Few of the many examples.

Also know that this isn't how you have to use your Pokemon, though they can be used in that way. Many of these natures can vary espcially if you have all physical attacks or all special attacks. There are many ways this can be revised.
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There are many great Pokemon, individually good for their own special reasons.

Some may include double status infecters.

Standard EVs include may be.

4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def

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Nature: Bold/Calm
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def
-Toxic
-Synthesis
-Giga Drain
-Leech Seed

no sucks. Giga Drain is a piss move on Megaium, use HP Grass or Razor Leaf. Counter is better than Toxic though I prefer Swords Dance Meganium in every single way.

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Nature: Calm
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def
-Confuse Ray
-Rest
-Will-o-wisp
-Flamethrower

It can't rest that effectively and your EV spread sucks seeing you should always focus more on HP then on Defences if Base Defence+Base Special Defence > Base HP. It needs at least 301 Speed to outspeed Jolly Hitmonlee.

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Nature: Bold/Calm
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def
-Toxic
-Rest/Wish
-Confuse Ray
-Mean Look

That thing sucks because it can just be outstalled by things like Blissey. Needs Taunt and Batton Pass

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EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def
-Confuse Ray
-Toxic
-Rest/Mean Look
-Shadow Ball

Same thing with Umbreon. It needs Pain Split seeing it works well with its low HP stat. Seismic Toss or Focus Punch is better than Confuse Ray.

Then you got Passers. Their main job is to pass special effects from moves such as Calm Mind, Substitute, Agility, Sword Dance, etc.

Many Passers have EVs in Speed to power up quick and it on.

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Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spd
-Silver Wind
-Agility/Iron Defense
-Sword Dance
-Baton Pass

Doesn't need so much Speed. Baton Pass Scizor should always focus more on defences.

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Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spd
-Psychic
-Baton Pass
-Calm Mind
-Wish

Too much Speed and it can't pass Wish to save his life

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Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spd
-Agility
-Silver Wind
-Sword Dance
-Baton Pass

Why would you give Salac on something that has Speed Boost. Liechi or Leftovers all the way

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Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spd
-Calm Mind
-Encore
-Baton Pass
-Psychic

Not much too say excpect that it has too much Speed

There are many more.

Then there are Pokemon that should just attack right away. They usually have high Atk, Sp Atk, and/or Speed and low Defensive stats.

Their EVs may include Atk/Sp atk and Speed.

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Nature: Lonely
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
-Earthquake
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Double-Edge

I fail to see why anyone would use Petaya AND Double-Edge. Ice Beam/Surf or Hydro Pump/Crunch/Substitute or Earthquake

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Nature: Rash
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
-Earthquake
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Double-Edge

Wailord always needs to focus more on Defences THEN his attacking stats and Speed which is almost uneeded on him.

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Nature: Hasty
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb

The last two moves are pointless. HP Grass/Substitute or Pursuit over them. Fire Blast is piss poor on him due to low accuracy. I'd use Overheat because he doesn't stay in for more than one or two turns
Few of the many examples.

Note that these are examples of some EVs these Pokemon can possibly have. Also know that this isn't how you have to use your Pokemon, though they can be used in that way. Many of these natures can vary espcially if you have all physical attacks or all special attacks. There are many ways this can be revised.
You know nothing of competitive team building and suck at EVs

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You know nothing of competitive team building and suck at EVs

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Owned imo. He may have been harsh but he told the truth unfortunately. I don't mean to gang up on you or anything but your EV's and movesets are bad.
If Synchronize was here he would give you a smack for doing that to Umbreon. Umbreon uses HP and Toxictrapping isnt even used anymore.
Dusclops' EV's are really bad!!
Ninjask with HP... It cant even take one hit
Wailord sucks.... Especially that moveset
You gave Houndoom Petaya. 252 Atk.... zero Spatk... odd
Those arent the suggested EV's for the roles. Even if a poke does a specific role it's EV's are gonna be different from other pokes of the same role.
If you were trying to get this stickied.... nice try
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Pax Deorum be quiet. I don't need your crappy advice. This was a statement. So if you hate it so much, keep it to yourself. Maybe your grades suck for all I know. You could be the dumbest person in the known world. Obviously, though, you aren't there.

Ice Blade you are just as annoying. No, I wasn't trying to get this stickied. I was just trying to help those beginning trainers that do nothing but teach their Pokemon sucky moves. Since you think you're so smart, prove it.
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We were just giving you some friendly advice... If i went too far I am sorry but we needed to fix this so that those beginning trainers that do nothing but teach their Pokemon sucky moves(as u say) dont make the same mistakes again... You took it too harshly imo
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I'm sorry if I took it too harshly, but that wasn't "friendly" advice at all when that Pax Deorum says "EVs SUCK!!! ARRRGH!!!". Besides, its not like your advice is helpful.
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There's a difference between "EV's suck," and "You suck at EV's."
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I'm sorry if I took it too harshly, but that wasn't "friendly" advice at all when that Pax Deorum says "EVs SUCK!!! ARRRGH!!!". Besides, its not like your advice is helpful.
No1 said ARRRGH!!!... Anyways... Even if my advice is not helpful, Pax Deorums is as he knows what he is talking about and he has been here longer than us both. Go over his suggestions again, you will find them extrememly helpful.
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Pax Deorum be quiet. I don't need your crappy advice. This was a statement. So if you hate it so much, keep it to yourself. Maybe your grades suck for all I know. You could be the dumbest person in the known world. Obviously, though, you aren't there.

Ice Blade you are just as annoying. No, I wasn't trying to get this stickied. I was just trying to help those beginning trainers that do nothing but teach their Pokemon sucky moves. Since you think you're so smart, prove it.

Pax and Ice Blade are much better than you at Pokemon get over it.

Oh and btw my OU guide is a good place for begginers to start not this thread filled with bad movesets. It is stickied for a reason.
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I'm sorry if I took it too harshly, but that wasn't "friendly" advice at all when that Pax Deorum says "EVs SUCK!!! ARRRGH!!!". Besides, its not like your advice is helpful.
Are you crazy or something? Why do you continually stick in 'ARRRGH' and a slew of exclaimation marks where, in the original post, there were none?
Thats a bit odd.Don't you agree?...[or a bit melodramatic]


Anyway u need to learn how to EV spread..252/252/6 spreads dont work exception being the likes of Aero.

Instead of being so defensive, why don't you try to pick up pointers from ur fellow posters?
Pax is very good at the UU metagame.Try learning a few things from him.
[Agreed we're slightly sour tempered around here.But thats what makes posting fun...]
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Are you crazy or something? Why do you continually stick in 'ARRRGH' and a slew of exclaimation marks where, in the original post, there were none?
Thats a bit odd.Don't you agree?...[or a bit melodramatic]


Anyway u need to learn how to EV spread..252/252/6 spreads dont work exception being the likes of Aero.

Instead of being so defensive, why don't you try to pick up pointers from ur fellow posters?
Pax is very good at the UU metagame.Try learning a few things from him.
[Agreed we're slightly sour tempered around here.But thats what makes posting fun...]
There are examples of EVs for Pete's sake. I just know how you guys always say "Always include Hold Item, Nature, and EVs with the moveset" and you guys for some apparent reason hate me. If you do, you don't have to respond to the post. Its that easy.
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It really isn't our fault if you lack common sense. If you had any you wouldn't suggest Petaya and Double-Edge on the same pokemon.

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When making defensive spread focus first on HP (preferably max) if Base Defence + Base Sp. Defence > Base HP.

Contrary to what you are saying, you are the dumb one for not accepring good advice. If you want to live in the shadow of ignorance that is your mind then stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

When making such posts you should always know someone will make a critic. If you don't want people to then don't make the thread.
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There are examples of EVs for Pete's sake. I just know how you guys always say "Always include Hold Item, Nature, and EVs with the moveset" and you guys for some apparent reason hate me. If you do, you don't have to respond to the post. Its that easy.
Examples should at least hold some common sense in them. Like look in your math textbook the example show you how to approch and do each problem not just a vague idea of how to do it because that wouldn't be helpful at all. Examples are a guide line and should help.

Well we don't really hate the bad players in here we just try to give them good advice and they refuse it that is what gets us mad. We are all quite mean in here though. That is our job.
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We are all quite mean in here though. That is our job.
What? That sounds weird. Pax Deorum's job is obviously doing his job by saying everything I suggested sucks. Its a pretty easy job to do if you ask me.
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What? That sounds weird. Pax Deorum's job is obviously doing his job by saying everything I suggested sucks. Its a pretty easy job to do if you ask me.
But he is saying why and is being productive so you can't say anything about it...
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What? That sounds weird. Pax Deorum's job is obviously doing his job by saying everything I suggested sucks. Its a pretty easy job to do if you ask me.
You seem to forgot the most important part where he is right.
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I'm truely sorry if I stink at EVs, but that's just not my thing.
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