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Old May 26th, 2006 (5:12 AM).
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Oki, so I made my own Ash team, and I forgot the last poke and used Skarm instead. I need all the EV's and the natures fixed. I only made it out of fun, so I didn't even had second thoughts about them.

Charizard(M) @ Salac Berry
Blaze
Relaxed (-Spd, +Def)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Att / 7 Def
Aerial Ace
Belly Drum
Earthquake
Substitute

Sub in, Belly Drum and the Salac kicks in. Then, just sweep. The EVs suck, but I have no ideea what to use. I thought he gets speed from the Salac, and he could use some HP, since he's Belly Drumming...

Venusaur(M) @ Leftovers
Overgrow
Brave (-Spd, +Att)
EVs: 251 HP / 8 Att / 252 SDef
Hidden Power (Grass)
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb
Synthesis

I dislike Sleep Powder because of the Sleep Cause. If I wanted a sleeper, I would have chosen Breloom. Since he has Leech Seed + Synthesis + Lefties I thought he could be a tank, so the + to SDef.

Blastoise(M) @ Leftovers
Torrent
Modest (-Att, +SAtt)
EVs: 231 HP / 227 SAtt / 52 SDef
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
Rest
Surf

Yeah, Blastoise isn't made for sweeping. But meh :P. Ice Beam for grass, Surf for STAB, Rest for...well, the nice HP and SDef and Mirror Coat just because. I killed a Zapdos with Mirror Coat. I like it alot.

Pikachu(M) @ Light Ball
Static
Timid (-Att, +Spd)
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtt / 252 Spd
Thunderbolt
HP Grass
Surf
Substitute

He needs all the speed he can get IMO. I need better moves to replace HP Grass and Sub, but I don't really care, I only use Thunderbolt and Surf anyway.

Snorlax(M) @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Adamant (-SpAtt, +Att)
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Att / 54 Def / 88 SDef
Curse
Rest
Return
Shadow Ball

Curselax. Meh, I was too lazy to search for the typical EVs for him, so I just threw some in, like for the others :P.

Skarmory(M) @ Leftovers
Sturdy
Impish (-SpAtt, +Def)
EVs: 250 HP / 8 Att / 252 Def
Drill Peck
Rest
Roar
Spikes

Standard, except for the EVs :)
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Old May 26th, 2006 (5:41 AM).
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Oki, so I made my own Ash team, and I forgot the last poke and used Skarm instead. I need all the EV's and the natures fixed. I only made it out of fun, so I didn't even had second thoughts about them.

Charizard(M) @ Salac Berry
Blaze
Adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Att / 4 Def
Aerial Ace
Sword Dance
Earthquake
Fire Blast

I don't like Belly Drum, since it doesn't take long for Sword Dance to power up your attack just as much. Relaxed Nature? It needs the Speed. Charizard doesn't need Defense. Fix the EVs because there is so such thing as a 252/252/7 spread.

Venusaur(M) @ Leftovers
Overgrow
Brave (-Spd, +Att)
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Att / 252 SDef
Hidden Power (Grass)/Razor Leaf/Giga Drain
Leech Seed
Sleep Powder
Synthesis

Again, there is no such spread in EVs. Did you cheat? Anyway, you don't need Sludge Bomb, especially when you have Sleep Powder as a choice. Venasaur can heal big while the opponent is asleep.

Blastoise(M) @ Leftovers
Torrent
Modest (-Att, +SAtt)
EVs: 232 HP / 227 SAtt / 52 SDef
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
Rest
Surf

Good set. I like it.

Pikachu(M) @ Light Ball
Static
Timid (-Att, +Spd)
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtt / 252 Spd
Thunderbolt
HP Grass
Surf
Substitute

This works.

Snorlax(M) @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Adamant (-SpAtt, +Att)
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Att / 54 Def / 88 SDef
Curse
Rest
Return
Shadow Ball

This is good.

Skarmory(M) @ Leftovers
Sturdy
Impish (-SpAtt, +Def)
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Att / 252 Def
Drill Peck
Rest
Roar
Spikes

The EVs have to be divisable by four to get full effect. Keep that in mind.

Standard, except for the EVs :)
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I prefer to use PseudoBellyzard instead of a swords dance set because Charizard won't live that long anyway, so with max Speed and Attack, he might just take out two or three pokemon if I'm lucky, then drop dead. And I gave up the speed to be able to activate the Salac after the other one moves, so I can attack first without taking a hit. If not, I would belly drum and the other pokemon will just sweep me with a second attack. This way, the second attack usually destroys the sub. That's what I tried and it worked.

Anyway, the EVs need to be corrected, but I need someone else to do that, as I suck at EVs.
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You'd be better off with Dragon Dance than Swords Dance. And Bellyzard ownz.
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You'd be better off with Dragon Dance than Swords Dance. And Bellyzard ownz.
Charizard's Speed is good enough. His Attack isn't the best, so that's why Sword Dance is most prefered. I've never heard of a Bellyzard. I'm used to doing Belly Drum with Rest. Snorlax is a Pokemon to do that.
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Bellyzard was the most feared Poke a while back when the berries activated at 50% instead of 25%. It has since then been replaced by Swords Dance (not Dragon Dance), but it is now outclassed by Salamence.

"Bellyzard" @ Salac Berry
- Aerial Ace/HP [Flying]
- Belly Drum
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Doom is using "Pseudozard" that utilizes Substitute to cover that 25%, but it just isn't as effective since it is just too much HP loss.

Charizard @ Leftovers/Salac Berry
- Aerial Ace/HP [Flying]
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Swords Dance

Again, Charizard suffers from bad typing (being Fire) and SD just doesn't do what BD did in the past. Poor Bellyzard, we knew it well. RIP.
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Charizard's Speed is good enough. His Attack isn't the best, so that's why Sword dance is most prefered. I've never heard of a Bellyzard. I'm used to doing Belly Drum with Rest. Snorlax is a Pokemon to that.
Just think about it...max speed and max attack...it's dreamy. It was better back in the old days, but now I just need that, and I get a OHKO in almost all pokemon except maybe a tank like Foretress and Skarm. It's a pity I gave up Fire Blast, or I would have had that covered too...Still, Pseudozard indeed leaves me with less than 25% HP, It gets to kill at least one or two pokemon before it passes out. That's enough for the retired old dude that is Charizard.


PS: some EVs, anyone? pls
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Just think about it...max speed and max attack...it's dreamy. It was better back in the old days, but now I just need that, and I get a OHKO in almost all pokemon except maybe a tank like Foretress and Skarm. It's a pity I gave up Fire Blast, or I would have had that covered too...Still, Pseudozard indeed leaves me with less than 25% HP, It gets to kill at least one or two pokemon before it passes out. That's enough for the retired old dude that is Charizard.


PS: some EVs, anyone? pls
Sure. It might be a dream, but Charizard's probably not going to be around long enough to max out Attack and Speed. Charizard's faster than most Pokemon. Sword Dance is the best way to go.
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Usually Suicune or Swampert come in and ruin Bellyzards fun.. I know that from first hand experience and i used Pseudozard
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That's probably the reason why no one wastes their time on a Bellyzard or a DDZard.
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Ok, I asked for someone to rate the team and fix the EVs and natures, but it kind of turned into a Bellyzard topic. Please, would anyone do that? I know Bellyzard isn't as good nowadays, but i don't really care. Pax, AB, Sync, Mullet, anyone? some EVs? please? but make them good...
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I'm not good at EVs, but the main thing I'm wondering is how you got this 252/252/7 spread.
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Snorlax is better with Sleep Talk And Solarbeam.
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Snorlax is better with Sleep Talk And Solarbeam.
Lol. Solarbeam? I don't think so. Besides, the standard moveset for Snorlax is Curse, Rest, Shadow Ball, and Return. Doom Hammer was right on.
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Lol. Solarbeam? I don't think so. Besides, the standard moveset for Snorlax is Curse, Rest, Shadow Bal, and Return. Doom Hammer was right on.
Mine has Solarbeam and it rocks.
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Return with a STAB does more than Solarbeam. 102 x 1.5=153. Solarbeam=120. Return=153. Also, Curselax will hit hard with Return. Solarbeam's just not worth it.
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can you explain what A STAB Is.
Please.
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STAB is Same Type Attack Bonus. An example would be Milotic would get a STAB from Surf because its a Water-type and Surf is a Water-type move. Return with a STAB on Snorlax will deal great damage.
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:o Thx 4 explaining.
Sadly I've wasted my Return TM.
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:o Thx 4 explaining.
Sadly I've wasted my Return TM.
What game do you have? Just curious. You can buy extra Return TMs at the Celadon Department Store in FireRed/LeafGreen.
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STAB gives that move an extra 50% power. Return does 151 damage in one turn, while Solarbeam does 120 damage in two turns. It simply murder to put that on Snorlax, considering his low Special Attack and Lack of STAB and Sunny Day.
Btw, Return only does the damage if the pokemon likes you at max. That means you didn't kill it too many times and stuff like that. In NB, Return does the max of 102 damage, ingame it may vary, but it's way better that Solarbeam anyway.
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Must have made a mistake while typing. I was copying the EVs and in the middle of it, I saw a mistake and changed the EVs, and the first stayed the same. Dunno. Anyway, the point still stands, the EVs need fixing. I put the 252/252/4 EV build in lack of something better. And you people aren't helping...
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STAB gives that move an extra 50% power. Return does 151 damage in one turn, while Solarbeam does 120 damage in two turns. It simply murder to put that on Snorlax, considering his low Special Attack and Lack of STAB and Sunny Day.
Btw, Return only does the damage if the pokemon likes you at max. That means you didn't kill it too many times and stuff like that. In NB, Return does the max of 102 damage, ingame it may vary, but it's way better that Solarbeam anyway.


Must have made a mistake while typing. I was copying the EVs and in the middle of it, I saw a mistake and changed the EVs, and the first stayed the same. Dunno. Anyway, the point still stands, the EVs need fixing. I put the 252/252/4 EV build in lack of something better. And you people aren't helping...
I'm trying to help, its just you want to stay with your old team. Since you won't accept any advice, I won't give anymore.
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I'm trying to help, its just you want to stay with your old team. Since you won't accept any advice, I won't give anymore.
I just said I won't change Bellyzard. In rest, you didn't give any reasonable advice except comment on that. And on my EVs, which you didn't fix, because you're no better at EVs than me, from what I saw (I'm not saying it in a bad way :P). If you can't say something really helpfull, don't post in the respective thread anymore (I'm not talking only about this one, you tend to do that in general).
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I was just proving Bellyzard is proved to be unsuccessful in comparison to SDZard.

Just curious, what do you consider "helpful"? Just wondering. If you can't accept any help, then you don't have to post here and you can convince yourself that your team's invincible. I was suggesting the standard SDZard. Bellyzard with Substitute? You'll cut you HP by 3/4 with both of those moves. Relaxed Nature? I thought it was common sense that Charizard needs Speed. What's the point of a Relaxed Nature? Probably one Rock Slide and its toast anyway. It will break the Substitute and you won't have enough HP left to make another one.

I'm helping by convincing you that Bellyzard just won't work well. At least with SDZard it only really takes one or two Sword Dance's and you can score with Aeriel Ace or Earthquake. Don't you see how I'm trying to help? If you elimate the only real weakness on your team, which is Bellyzard with a Relaxed Nature, then your team will only need some minor adjustments and you're on your way.

If you don't find this helpful, do complain to me that it isn't helpful because I'm trying to help and you just won't admit the fact that you messed up in a few places.
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FOR CHRIST SAKE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT BELLYZARD!!!!
He may be weak, there may be more powerfull sets, but I wanted to try something no one else uses now. Charizard won't survive two SD because one Rock Slide will kill him anyway, he is 4x weak to rock and his defenses suck. And you only offered advice for one pokemon, you stated the same thing in about 5 or 6 posts, or even more. Charizard is only the lead in my team, he is not my entire team. Too bad AB and Sync are gone, and I dunno where the rest are, to show you how a team is rated and fixed. You only talk about people not accepting your advices, but you won't change your way either no matter what anyone else says. And this is getting way off topic, much like any thread you post in, so I'll finish, and won't answer too any more of your comments.
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