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Old June 12th, 2006 (11:25 AM). Edited June 12th, 2006 by Blazemxx.
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Just Kidding. But what is it? Anyways, raterate :/

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** Bad Breather
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spd / 52 SpA
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hydro Pump
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Brick Break

Lead, CBer, Scary

Snorlax (F) @ Choice Band ** Fatty McSpandex
Trait: Thick fat
EVs: 144 HP / 180 Atk / 58 SAtk / 128 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
-Body Slam
-Fire Blast
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Ball

Special Wall, great to switchin against bulky waters.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Diarrhea
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 64 Atk / 104 Def / 64 SAtk / 100 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Ice Beam
- Surf

Two Words: Bulky Water

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Me Like Stars
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 194 Def / 20 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Wish
- Hidden Power [Water]

Wish Support, can fight DD Tar.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Smiley Joe
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 240 Atk / 252 Spd / 18 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

McIceGar, good for Blisseys, Skarmorys, other crap.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** ICan'tSeeYou!
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Rapid Spinner.
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Old June 12th, 2006 (11:35 AM).
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Old June 12th, 2006 (11:37 AM).
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Just Kidding. But what is it? Anyways, raterate :/

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** Bad Breather
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hydro Pump/Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Brick Break

I personally don't like Hydro Pump on Salamence unless it a Elemence, but whatever suits you. You've got 52 extra EVs you didn't use. You could dump them into Special Attack if you want.

Lead, CBer, Scary

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers ** Fatty McSpandex
Trait: Thick fat
EVs: 144 HP / 180 Atk / 58 SAtk / 128 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
-Body Slam
-Fire Blast
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Ball

Ewww. *barf* What did you do to this thing? I could maybe understand you having this with CB, just maybe. What is this? Curselax is prefered, but if you want to use this set, at least give it CB.

Special Wall, great to switchin against bulky waters.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Diarrhea
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 122 Def / 52 Spd / 96 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Ice Beam
- Surf

This is giving me diarrhea! What the heck is HP Bug for if you have IB? I really don't like the way you treated this thing, no offense.

Two Words: Bulky Water

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Me Like Stars
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 194 Def / 20 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Wish
- Hidden Power [Water]

Uh, I guess this works.

Wish Support, can fight DD Tar.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Smiley Joe
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 240 Atk / 252 Spd / 18 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

McIceGar is sort of out of style now. I prefer TriGar, but whatever you want.

McIceGar, good for Blisseys, Skarmorys, other crap.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** ICan'tSeeYou!
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

I'm not a big fan of Rapid Spin, but whatever.

Rapid Spinner.
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Old June 12th, 2006 (11:40 AM).
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Rapid Spin is cool. I'll put Sala's EVs in SpA. About Swampert, some people suggest HP Bug on it. I'll give Lax CB. Rate teh team. Eevee_Espeon, or don't come here.
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Old June 12th, 2006 (11:42 AM).
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I sort of hate McIceGar and Rapin Spinners but is this team working for you well?
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Old June 12th, 2006 (12:17 PM).
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Yeah, it is! Well, I've used it before, but I can't use it now since my computer is on Safe Mode.
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Just Kidding. But what is it? Anyways, raterate :/

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** Bad Breather
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Double Edge
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Brick Break

CB Double-Edge off a 400+ attack stat is amazingly deadly, even without STAB. Hydro Pump is just lame on a CB set.

Lead, CBer, Scary

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers ** Fatty McSpandex
Trait: Thick fat
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Att / 129 Def
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
-Body Slam/Return
-Curse
-Rest
-Shadow Ball/Earthquake

No way, dude, no way, Snorlax without Rest is like a fish on land. And Curse works better than anything else, as it's covering his only weakness, fighting. Return has better Power, but sometimes Body Slam works because of paralyze.


Special Wall, great to switchin against bulky waters.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Diarrhea
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 122 Def / 52 Spd / 96 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Ice Beam
- Surf

He needs rest if he's gonna be your Bulky Water. Those EV's don't work either, but I have no ideea what to use on him. I would suggest Cursepert, but you already have Snorlax and Salamence, so neah.

Two Words: Bulky Water

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Me Like Stars
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 194 Def / 20 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Wish
- HP Water

Dunno, never used Jirachi and I will never use him. Although, I like more the special sweeper with Thunderbolt and Water Pulse.

Wish Support, can fight DD Tar.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Smiley Joe
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 240 Atk / 252 Spd / 18 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

McIceGar..

McIceGar, good for Blisseys, Skarmorys, other crap.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** ICan'tSeeYou!
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 170 HP / 170 Def / 170 Sp def
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf/Psychic
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Rapid Spin

With Rapid Spind, a pseudo passer is better. You need Thunderbolt anyway to make a good sweeper, so this, or with Thunder Wave, works better. IMO

Rapid Spinner.
YoMama, instead of going "Bleah" at each of his pokes, you could at least tried to help him a bit more. You just said "that sucks" but didn't offer any better options.
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Old June 12th, 2006 (1:44 PM).
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LOL. Your suggestions suck. Unless you want me to lose.
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Old June 12th, 2006 (1:57 PM).
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He needs rest if he's gonna be your Bulky Water. Those EV's don't work either, but I have no ideea what to use on him. I would suggest Cursepert, but you already have Snorlax and Salamence, so neah.
Oh, that's really smart of you. If you know the EVs are bad then you should be able to correct him. Don't say "Those EVs don't work" when you can't help him out.

Anyway, Blazemxx a spread like this might work.

240 HP / 64 Atk / 104 Def / 64 SAtk / 100 SDef

Don't bother with Speed on Swampert because it won't be able to outspeed anything anyway. I think you got too much Special Attack going there. Swampert with 401 HP and enough defensive EVs to stand attacks from Salamence and other sweepers. You could put equal in Attack and Special Attack if you're going to keep HP Bug, which I suggest either Curse or Rest over.
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K, the set works better than my previous set.
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Oh, that's really smart of you. If you know the EVs are bad then you should be able to correct him. Don't say "Those EVs don't work" when you can't help him out.

Anyway, Blazemxx a spread like this might work.

240 HP / 64 Atk / 104 Def / 64 SAtk / 100 SDef

Don't bother with Speed on Swampert because it won't be able to outspeed anything anyway. I think you got too much Special Attack going there. Swampert with 401 HP and enough defensive EVs to stand attacks from Salamence and other sweepers. You could put equal in Attack and Special Attack if you're going to keep HP Bug, which I suggest either Curse or Rest over.
Well it's kind of obvious that they don't work, as he put Speed EVs with a nature that actually lowers speed on a pokemon that can't outspeed anything to save it's life. And I don't know the right EVs for a Mixpert. For Cursepert, which is better IMO, with Curse/Earthquake/HP Flying/Brick Break or Rock Slide the EVs would go something like this: Adamant: 252 Att, 129 HP, 129 Sp Def.
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LOL. Just because it isn't your stupid standard set doesn't mean it doesn't work. You should try it first, then comment. That's only if you know how to use it, Starmie for example. If you really want a rapid spinner, Claydol is better, as he's immune to spikes. If you want Starmie, at least make it a special sweeper, not that weird combination. If it does Rapid Spinn, Pseudopassing helps your team more than your set.

And don't say it sucks, until you know better.
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Just Kidding. But what is it? Anyways, raterate :/

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band ** Bad Breather
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spd / 52 SpA
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hydro Pump
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Brick Break

Meh..HP is fun catching claydol and donphan on the switch, but i really see more use in Fireblast/rockslide or even double edge.

Snorlax (F) @ Choice Band ** Fatty McSpandex
Trait: Thick fat
EVs: 144 HP / 180 Atk / 58 SAtk / 128 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
-Body Slam
-Fire Blast
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Ball

No.A snorlax without rest, needs selfdestruct.Stick that over FP or FB. I won't even bother with SpAtt EVs.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Diarrhea
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 64 Atk / 104 Def / 64 SAtk / 100 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Ice Beam
- Surf

Fine..I guess.HP[Bug] is for celebi for all you geniuses.Brave > relaxed.

Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Me Like Stars
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 194 Def / 20 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Wish
- Hidden Power [Water]

Lovely.I was now going to suggest wish support.HP[water] is meh at most. Swampert rapes Ttar anyway. Thunderbolt/thunder/firepunch > HP [water]

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Smiley Joe
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 240 Atk / 252 Spd / 18 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

K

Starmie @ Leftovers ** ICan'tSeeYou!
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Needs more HP.
Try 176 HP / 176 Spd / 156 SAtk with a timid nature.

Don't splode lax before u get rid of the likes of zapdos and raikou.
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