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Old June 13th, 2006 (3:28 PM). Edited June 13th, 2006 by White Lotus.
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I'm giving props first because frost, toothache, shanecdavis, yomama, twinscythe, and aragorn bird have already helped me tweak this team and i'd like to point out my battle team is a tyraniboah (t/s/s) team. I'd also like to point out I'm using Lv.100 stats instead of EV's because it's in game and not netbattle so IV's can't be assumed. So if you want me to adjust stats tell me the lv.100 stat # goal because they are all projected out using rare candies and the ev's can be adjusted. Remember this is ingame experimenting...

<Twilight>
Umbreon - (BOLD) 'Sychronize' w/leftovers
HP 363 / Def 300 / Sdf 300 / Spd 222
- Mean Look
- Taunt
- Wish
- Baton Pass
(Chaosbreon - Manipulator/Cleric)

<ArchZephyr>
Alteria - (CALM) 'Natural Cure' w/focus band
HP 353 / Def 243 / Sdf 275 / Spd 200
- Perish Song
- Heal Bell
- Protect
- Rest
(Celebi clone 'no access' - Perish Trap/Cleric)

<Cervantes>
Salamence - (ADAMENT) 'Intimidate' w/leftovers
HP 369 / Att 395 / Def 192 / Sdf 188 / Spd 264
- Dragon Dance
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
(Physical Sweeper)

<Twinkle>
Starmie - (TIMID) 'Natural Cure' w/leftovers
HP 263 / Def 202 / Sat 299 / Sdf 200 / Spd 352
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover
(Special Sweep)

<The Dude>
Snorlax - (CAREFUL) 'Thick Fat' w/leftovers
HP 467 / Att 300 / Def 200 / Sdf 320
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Shadow Ball
- Rest
(Special Wall/Last man standing)

The last slot is for my physical wall and i'm torn between weezing and skarmory. I'd really like to use a less predictable poke seeing how these two are the two best walls but what i'm asking is which of these fit my team better. Snorelax covers both my sweeps weakness'
pretty effectively so i could even consider a poke with a different role. Anticipating some suggestions i'm considering choice bander salamence instead of my tiny dancer and if i was battling i'd probably replace starmie's recover with rapid spin. Also the alteria's main purpose is to take umby mean look and perish trap so no flame/claw suggestions please:paranoid:

I know you guys already didn't like the idea but i'm seriously considering using dusclops as my physical wall with def+ nature and curse to take advantage of mean look pass from umby (will o wisp, rest/pain split<no misdreavus>, seismic toss/protect). Plus he compliments snorlax with immunity:Fighting. I'm talking myself into it quick someone get the hose.

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Old June 14th, 2006 (3:26 AM).
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Try Pursuit > Protect on Altaria, since even the computer AI understands Perish Song.

If you want something different, Special Weezing:

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EV: 212 HP/196 Def/92 Sp Att
Pain Split
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Will-O-Wisp
Haze
Thunderbolt/Thunder/Will-O-Wisp

Weezing has a perfectly useable Sp Att stat (base 85).

Curseclops needs Rest, and it saves you a moveslot if you're trappassing.

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Old June 14th, 2006 (4:49 AM).
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Try Pursuit > Protect on Altaria, since even the computer AI understands Perish Song.

If you want something different, Special Weezing:

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Nature: Bold
EV: 212 HP/196 Def/92 Sp Att
Pain Split
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Will-O-Wisp
Haze
Thunderbolt/Thunder/Will-O-Wisp

Weezing has a perfectly useable Sp Att stat (base 85).
IMO Special Weezing fails, it can barely dent skarmory with a super effective hit and with out STAB its even worse, its better to go with the standard.
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Old June 14th, 2006 (12:01 PM).
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Hey Tooth I'm definitely going with dusclops over weezing cause i don't have pain split (I really need to get FireRed for Charizard, Gengar, Aerodactyl, Nidos, and Misdreavus). I also like the pursuit/protect idea. My alteria is kind of a specialized killer <trap pass perish stall> but totally reliant on chaosbreon where your build is much more versatile being able to psuedohaze more effectively w/pursuit especially since i'm going dusclops over weezing (no haze). Muke, I'd have to lose heal bell because i have 2 alteria's with heal bell from XD and i'd have to breed pursuit on losing heal bell in the process. So it would probably look like (perish song / pursuit / protect / rest) unless i could find something with heal bell and pursuit.

Dusclops - (IMPISH) 'Pressure' w/lefties or chesto
EV's - I was gonna go max HP but i'll check the magic #'s
- Curse
- Will o Wisp
- Siesmic Toss (over night shade because of typing curse=ghost)
- Rest (over pain split because i don't have it:( )

I gotta couple of stupid questions. 1) If I breed a poke from XD with a special move and a poke that normally learns said move will the baby be born with it. <ex. alteria w/ heal bell + skitty (i know they can't just a hypothetical) w/ heal bell could i get a baby swablu/alteria with heal bell? 2) Leftovers or chesto for dusclpos <leaning lefties> 3) Damage = Lv. moves like siesmic toss/night shade don't get double damage for super effective right:embarrass ?
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Old June 14th, 2006 (12:35 PM).
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Unfortunately, Tooth, Altaria can’t have Pursuit and Heal Bell at the same time since XD moves can’t be bred on with normal bred-on moves. Don’t know about cases where both parents have the move, so I can’t answer the first question.

2) Leftovers always on Dusclops.

3) Night Shade and Seismic Toss can never be supereffective, they’ll always deal the same damage no matter what.

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He can breed off the H Bell to skitty but it cant be re-bred, so you're stuck
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Old June 16th, 2006 (2:55 PM).
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Hey guys sorry for bumping my own thread but i thought it would be better then rewriting a new one on sorta the same topic. I ordered FireRed online and it should be arriving in a couple of days and i'm really excited to get my hands on some pokes i didn't have. Now my question is special sweep ...

<Twinkle>
Starmie - (TIMID) 'Natural Cure' w/leftovers
HP 263 / Def 202 / Sat 299 / Sdf 200 / Spd 352
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin (I changed from recover quite successfully)
(Special Sweep)

or

Raikou - (MODEST or TIMID) 'Pressure' w/leftovers
EV's - Satt 252 / Spd 252
- Thunderbolt
- Crunch
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
(Special Sweep)

My instinct is keep starmie for rapid spin but the lure of new pokes is strong so any thoughts would be appreciated. For the record crunch over the <hp ice and grass> because it's in game and versatillity + (-Sdef) is just sexy. The idea is trap w/umby on a special attacker to ease the setup for raikou; or is starmie's versatillity a better fit for the team?

<side note> If anyone has used crunch Raikou your input would be a big help. Will i really regret not going for the <hps>?
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Old June 16th, 2006 (4:26 PM).
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Go with Crunch, unless you are cheating to the HPs.
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Old June 16th, 2006 (5:22 PM).
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If u are giving Starmie rapid spin, it should have recover. But seeing as this is ingame, spikes is no threat and u do not need rapid spin... You can get lucky with HP's as it is possible. On Raikou i think that ice/grass/water and even fire are acceptable. I got HP [Bug] on Flygon on my first attempt so never say never =P
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Old June 16th, 2006 (5:27 PM).
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Hey guys sorry for bumping my own thread but i thought it would be better then rewriting a new one on sorta the same topic. I ordered FireRed online and it should be arriving in a couple of days and i'm really excited to get my hands on some pokes i didn't have. Now my question is special sweep ...

<Twinkle>
Starmie - (TIMID) 'Natural Cure' w/leftovers
HP 263 / Def 202 / Sat 299 / Sdf 200 / Spd 352
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin (I changed from recover quite successfully)
(Special Sweep)

or

Raikou - (MODEST or TIMID) 'Pressure' w/leftovers
EV's - Satt 252 / Spd 252
- Thunderbolt
- Crunch
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
(Special Sweep)

My instinct is keep starmie for rapid spin but the lure of new pokes is strong so any thoughts would be appreciated. For the record crunch over the <hp ice and grass> because it's in game and versatillity + (-Sdef) is just sexy. The idea is trap w/umby on a special attacker to ease the setup for raikou; or is starmie's versatillity a better fit for the team?

<side note> If anyone has used crunch Raikou your input would be a big help. Will i really regret not going for the <hps>?
Rakiou is more successful in my opinion. You said this is in-game, so Crunch over Hidden Power since its sort of hard to get the IVs you need and the BP of Hidden Power is rarely 70 in-game. Crunch for Power and for Tate and Liza I guess. :\
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Old June 16th, 2006 (6:19 PM).
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I switched recover to rapid spin because umbreon gives it wish support and i found myself using it as a compliment to my salamence rather than an all out sweeper. My team rarely ever just sweeps through a team other then when i trap something that can't dent salamence and he dances up. I always subscribed to the theory of if it can learn recover give it recover but no spin made me nervous even in game cause i switch in and out so much. It's almost like practicing something that i don't need in case something happens.

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I know spin + recover is the standard but i'm almost afraid to split bolt/beam because it has owned me so many times in the battle tower. It was the whole reason I went and got starmie off my XD and subsequently the reason i'm pulling my hair out training a snorlax up with 30 iv's in his main stats. Porygon2 actually pulled out a DNA test and showed me he was my father.<Believe It!> I've also been tempted to scrap special sweep and go with a mixed sweep like gengar or dragonite but i already got a ghost and i def don't need another 4x ice weakness on my team. I guess I should look into a sub/punch/bolt/beam duder but with better weaknesses.
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Have u ever even used Rapid Spin effectively in-game? It is a waiste of a slot unless you are battling competitively
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Old June 16th, 2006 (7:56 PM).
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You're right frost, i've never used it effectively in game other then to blow away the odd leech seed or so but part of this team is to experiment with possible competitive builds and not just what kills in game. I mean the game is so easy i could probably kill with purposely bad builds but the idea is to test out my ideas before taking it to netbattle. I don't want to get used to having recover say but then needing to lose it for rapid spin later. I gotta get used to wishing the hps back and the flow of the team. I just realized I'm trying to train myself instead of the pokes.<I do everything backwards - I'd walk backwards if i wasn't afraid of pointy objects>
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Have u ever even used Rapid Spin effectively in-game? It is a waiste of a slot unless you are battling competitively
I agree. Leech Seed and Spikes never appear in-game. I say Psychic or Recover over Rapid Spin.
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Old June 17th, 2006 (9:51 AM).
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All right guys - loud and clear - i got it recover starmie in game. I have both starmies so its not a big deal but my original question is Raikou or Starmie and which one fits better on my team. The setup and pure power of Raikou or the versatillity and super effective hit ability of starmie. It's kind of like asking do i want another star player or a real good role player (to use a sports analogy). I usually setup sweep with salamence and use starmie to take out anything that could stop that sweep. Is it better to have two guys i have to set up or just 1 main sweeper and another for support?
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Old June 18th, 2006 (8:28 AM).
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well in my opinion, ingame team development is easy. its like this.

find something good. spam it.

you win. lol

but seriously im all for kou over starmie. but only because this is ingame.
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