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Old June 16th, 2006 (7:22 AM). Edited June 17th, 2006 by Lathspell.
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Oki, I don't really make too many teams, so I decided to try one of my own.

First the two I really love.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 196 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Drill Peck
Rest
Spikes
Roar

Standard.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 160 HP / 72 Atk / 136 Def / 140 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
Return
Curse
Rest
Shadow Ball

Curselax. It's just kewl, and I got fed up with Blissey

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 HP / 160 Spd / 240 SAtk / 48 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Calm Mind
Hidden Power [Grass]
Substitute
Thunderbolt

I always use Zapdos, time for a change :)

Aerodactyl @ Choice Band
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Att / 6 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Rock Slide
Earthquake
HP Flying
Double-Edge

No more Hera for me, I'm puking when I see it. Anyway, I like Adamant more than Jolly, for power reasons. And I don't see Jolteon so often anyway (never saw it, to be more exact...odd).

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Syncronize
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 Sp Def
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Mean Look
Baton Pass
Wish
Taunt

Never used this guy before, I need a suggestion on how it works. Except just trap, wish, curse or sub then pass. If there's anything else...

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Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Spd / 129 Def / 129 Sp Def
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Heal Bell
Perish Song
Recover
Leech Seed

I needed a Cleric, not sure about this one though. The basic is just Heal and get out.

PS: the starter is Aerodactil, not Skarm.
IMO, I don't have enough sweepers, but meh, I used mostly sweepers until now anyway, so I want to try this out. Whaddayasay?
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Old June 16th, 2006 (8:07 AM).
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Oki, I don't really make too many teams, so I decided to try one of my own.

First the two I really love.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 196 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Drill Peck
Rest
Spikes
Whirlwind

Standard, only Whirlwind instead of Roar, because a Soundproof poke cleaned me up more than one time...
Hate to tell you this, but Drill Peck and Whirlwind are illegal. You need to go Hidden Power [Flying]/Whirlwind or Drill Peck/Roar.

The rest of the team appears pretty standard.
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Old June 16th, 2006 (11:46 AM). Edited June 16th, 2006 by White Lotus.
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I'd change psychic to perish song on celebi. <perish trapping is my favorite tactic right now and a good way of taking advantage of umbreon> Mean look pass to celebi - perish song - leech seed - recover and switch back to umby when the count hits 1. This would also help your sweeper problem as anything raikou and aero can't get rid of <perish trap>. You can also heal bell instead of leech seed if you have to since your going to recover when the count is on 2 anyway. Now your celebi is a healer and a killer.

Like the angel of death.
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Old June 16th, 2006 (11:55 AM).
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Hate to tell you this, but Drill Peck and Whirlwind are illegal. You need to go Hidden Power [Flying]/Whirlwind or Drill Peck/Roar.

The rest of the team appears pretty standard.
*Curses*, I knew something was odd because people didn't use Whirlwind instead of Roar...oh well, changed it to Roar.

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I'd change psychic to perish song on celebi. <perish trapping is my favorite tactic right now and a good way of taking advantage of umbreon> Mean look pass to celebi - perish song - leech seed - recover and switch back to umby when the count hits 1. This would also help your sweeper problem as anything raikou and aero can't get rid of <perish trap>.
Nice tactic, should work. I'll try it, although that means I have to get rid of Heal Bell for Baton Pass to pass it back to Umby. *confused* Or do I? How exactly does that work? I don't really want to get rid of my cleric, but if I don't BP to Umby and just switch, the opponent switches as well. ****...
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Old June 16th, 2006 (12:01 PM). Edited June 16th, 2006 by White Lotus.
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No no no u don't pass it back to umby. you just change back to umby when the counts on 1 cause you don't want your perish count to transfer. He can't switch until the next turn but it's too late he's dead. I do it with my alteria all the time. Mean look - baton pass - perish song - leech seed <2> - recover <1> - switch back to umby(no pass) - he attacks then dies. You grin maniacally. Rinse repeat.

On my alteria i use protect instead of leech seed and either protect or bell on turn <2>
Then use his rest instead of recover. Rest + natural cure when i have to switch anyway = crazy delicious

Sorry i missed your other question when the count is on <1> you can switch but your oppenent has to put a command in and technically mean look is still in play. It doesn't leave play till you leave play not when you give the command. He could switch on the next turn but it's to late he's already dead. The 1 turn window is all you need.

<side note> - I use taunt as the 4th move on umby to stop setups, phazes, hazes, heals, basically anything annoying.
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Old June 16th, 2006 (1:10 PM).
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No no no u don't pass it back to umby. you just change back to umby when the counts on 1 cause you don't want your perish count to transfer. He can't switch until the next turn but it's too late he's dead. I do it with my alteria all the time. Mean look - baton pass - perish song - leech seed <2> - recover <1> - switch back to umby(no pass) - he attacks then dies. You grin maniacally. Rinse repeat.

On my alteria i use protect instead of leech seed and either protect or bell on turn <2>
Then use his rest instead of recover. Rest + natural cure when i have to switch anyway = crazy delicious

Sorry i missed your other question when the count is on <1> you can switch but your oppenent has to put a command in and technically mean look is still in play. It doesn't leave play till you leave play not when you give the command. He could switch on the next turn but it's to late he's already dead. The 1 turn window is all you need.

<side note> - I use taunt as the 4th move on umby to stop setups, phazes, hazes, heals, basically anything annoying.
Well, you learn something everyday. I didn't even cared that Celebi learns Perish Song. Thanks for the tip.
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I'm just glad i helped. I've used your suggestions in the past even before i was posting so i'm extremely proud.:classic: Owwww I just threw my shoulder out ...... patting myself on the back.;)
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IF you're gonna use Celebi and Umbreon on the same team, I'm sorry to say your change of pace will be for naught, as you need Zapdos over Raikou so Gyarados doesn't laugh at you, that is unless you know how to use Umbreon like me or Floppy Disk. You'll want Taunt on that last slot for Umbreon and put those SDef EVs (and a few from your Def) into Spd. The standard speed stat is 222 total, but I usually settle for around 205.
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that is unless you know how to use Umbreon like me
Well i'm not the only one who hurt his shoulder. <just kidding> Anywho hey synchronize what zapdos do you use with the umby/celebi team. I've read that this is the most common used poke with the tandem but zapdos can do so many different things. I always wanted to try him out but sadly never broken the seal on em. I've really never used any of the ubers, its like i'm saving them for something special but that day is never gonna come. Back to zappy do you use the passer, sweeper, metal sound, - I guess thunderbolt + hp grass / ice is a give in but the other two are up for grabs. Sub + thunder wave / agility + baton pass / rest + sleep talk......
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IF you're gonna use Celebi and Umbreon on the same team, I'm sorry to say your change of pace will be for naught, as you need Zapdos over Raikou so Gyarados doesn't laugh at you, that is unless you know how to use Umbreon like me or Floppy Disk. You'll want Taunt on that last slot for Umbreon and put those SDef EVs (and a few from your Def) into Spd. The standard speed stat is 222 total, but I usually settle for around 205.
Yup, I fixed that. Frankly, I never used Umby before, so I don't really know how to use him really well, duh. But I'm never changing Raikou unless I change my entire team again. So, I'm learning how to use Umby. Any tips would be useful :). Eventually, I have to learn how to use each and every poke out there, so...Advices?
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You never used Umbreon before? Umbreon rocks, especially the one you got. Keep it up! :)
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