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Old October 30th, 2006 (11:31 AM).
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Yes, I've finally decided to post an NB team of mine here for rating. When I say rating, however, I mean that I want the competent people who actually know what they're talking about to tell me what isn't working, why it isn't working and what can be done to fix the problem. I think - no, I know - that I messed up the EVs at some point, so if any of you knowledgable people could help me out it would be appreciated.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Zappykins
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Hidden Power [Ice] for boltbeaming and beating Mence leads and Toxic to hit special walls who try to but in. The first person to say 'Extrasensory' I shall smack with a red herring.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Beefcake
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 196 HP / 248 Atk / 64 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Focus Punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Yay Stalklax. Focus Punch over Earthquake to take advantage of passed subs from vappy as well as to KO Tyranitar on the switch. I've also noticed that it seems to make opponents a bit more careful about switching when lax is asleep.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Fizzy Bubbles
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 56 SAtk / 24 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Surf
- Wish

Subpassing is funneh, especially when I have lax and Duggy to pass to. Pretty self-explanatory standard build, really, although I'm not sure if the EVs are right.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band ** Quaketrigger
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Traps and owns stuff. Adamant over Jolly due to Duggy's rather limited attack.

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Killer Celery
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 72 Def / 180 Spd / 16 SAtk
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Tis' a cleric. Yeah. Psychic over Hidden Power because I'm tired of Gengars switching in and subbing up and/or Ice Punching when Celebi is in.

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Userunfriendly
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Def / 60 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

We all know what subskarm does, right? Do tell me if the EVs are wrong.


Yeah, rate away, I guess.
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Old October 30th, 2006 (1:37 PM).
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Yes, I've finally decided to post an NB team of mine here for rating. When I say rating, however, I mean that I want the competent people who actually know what they're talking about to tell me what isn't working, why it isn't working and what can be done to fix the problem. I think - no, I know - that I messed up the EVs at some point, so if any of you knowledgable people could help me out it would be appreciated.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Zappykins
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Sleep Talk / Light Screen

Hidden Power [Ice] for boltbeaming and beating Mence leads and Toxic to hit special walls who try to but in. The first person to say 'Extrasensory' I shall smack with a red herring.

Needs more S.Def and Def for stalling. Doesnt need max speed, nor max anything.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Beefcake
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 196 HP / 248 Atk / 64 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Focus Punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Yay Stalklax. Focus Punch over Earthquake to take advantage of passed subs from vappy as well as to KO Tyranitar on the switch. I've also noticed that it seems to make opponents a bit more careful about switching when lax is asleep.

*Screwed by Gar*

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Fizzy Bubbles
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 56 SAtk / 24 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Surf
- Wish

Subpassing is funneh, especially when I have lax and Duggy to pass to. Pretty self-explanatory standard build, really, although I'm not sure if the EVs are right.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band ** Quaketrigger
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Traps and owns stuff. Adamant over Jolly due to Duggy's rather limited attack.

Sceppy/Jolty/Alakazam say "Hi" to speeds slower their own.


Celebi @ Leftovers ** Killer Celery
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 116 Def / 8 Spd / 32 SAtk / 112 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Tis' a cleric. Yeah. Psychic over Hidden Power because I'm tired of Gengars switching in and subbing up and/or Ice Punching when Celebi is in.

Tis a dead cleric due to the mole trio ._., more def plz

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Userunfriendly
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Def / 60 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

We all know what subskarm does, right? Do tell me if the EVs are wrong.

HP and defense EVs need to be switched around, and give it more speed than SP.Defense

Yeah, rate away, I guess.
I never seen you on Netbattle Alter Ego =/
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Old October 30th, 2006 (6:50 PM).
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego View Post
Yes, I've finally decided to post an NB team of mine here for rating. When I say rating, however, I mean that I want the competent people who actually know what they're talking about to tell me what isn't working, why it isn't working and what can be done to fix the problem. I think - no, I know - that I messed up the EVs at some point, so if any of you knowledgable people could help me out it would be appreciated.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Zappykins
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Just go with Stalker Zappy.

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** ...
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Spd / 100 SAtk / 120 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunder

This is what I use. Thunder is cool as it does like 30% to most Lax. If Thunder isn't your cup of tea then use T-Bolt by all means.

ON A SERIOUS NOTE USE EXTRASENSORY ELITEDOS!!!!!!!!


Hidden Power [Ice] for boltbeaming and beating Mence leads and Toxic to hit special walls who try to but in. The first person to say 'Extrasensory' I shall smack with a red herring.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Beefcake
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 116 Def / 136 SAtk
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Earthquake / Shadowball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Use EQ and if you are paranoid use SB for Gar. Those are the EVs I use.

Yay Stalklax. Focus Punch over Earthquake to take advantage of passed subs from vappy as well as to KO Tyranitar on the switch. I've also noticed that it seems to make opponents a bit more careful about switching when lax is asleep.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers ** Fizzy Bubbles
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 56 SAtk / 24 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Surf
- Wish

^________^ It won't bold the face well and it makes me sad. : (

Subpassing is funneh, especially when I have lax and Duggy to pass to. Pretty self-explanatory standard build, really, although I'm not sure if the EVs are right.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band ** Quaketrigger
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Jolly is cool for hags who use Kou lol.

Traps and owns stuff. Adamant over Jolly due to Duggy's rather limited attack.

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Killer Celery
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 76 Def / 40 Spd / 152 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

Those are the EVs I use.

Tis' a cleric. Yeah. Psychic over Hidden Power because I'm tired of Gengars switching in and subbing up and/or Ice Punching when Celebi is in.

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Userunfriendly
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

Those are the EVs I use.

We all know what subskarm does, right? Do tell me if the EVs are wrong.


Yeah, rate away, I guess.
Seems solid. Pert might give you a few random problem though, I guess.

Hope I helped.
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Old October 31st, 2006 (8:43 AM).
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*Screwed by Gar*
Yes, but most laxes tend to be. The way I see it, Gar is a nuisance while TTar is a team raper. I'd rather prepare for the latter than the former. Celebi tends to put a stop to Gar anyway.

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I never seen you on Netbattle Alter Ego =/
Nyah, that could be because I haven't had that much time to Netbattle lately, when I'm on though, I tend to be at Smogon, so if you frequent some other server then there's your explanation. ^^
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I hope I know what I am talking about. D:
Last I checked your username wasn't Lugialord or e4protector, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. ^^

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ON A SERIOUS NOTE USE EXTRASENSORY ELITEDOS!!!!!!!!
You do realize that you're asking for a smack from the herring, right? Still, because I get the feeling that you're quite purposefully asking for it, which leads to the rather disturbing prospect that you might actually enjoy it when a guy hits you with a fish, I think I'll abstain just to be sure. xD

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Jolly is cool for hags who use Kou lol.
Yes, I realized that right after a random CM kou ripped through the team the other day. Duggy is currently Jolly and doing great. The ability to get a nice hit in on Raikou and Alakazam compensates quite nicely for the lack of power.

Okay...overall, I agree with most of the stuff I'm hearing, but Zappy...I'm sorry, but if the build can't outspeed and OHKO Mence leads then no dice. Those things pop up everywhere I go and I hate them. >.< If I would have somthing like Cloyster or Swampert on this team then yeah, but this not being the case I'll rather take the Swampert weak. They can be a nuisance but again, its hardly the kind of poke that rips up my whole team. A bit of teamwork between Skarm and Vappy, possibly with a little extra from Celebi, tends to be all it takes to get rid of them. I might give Stalker zappy a try, though, possibly with a small *Gasp* alteration to the EVs if they don't work out. Anyways, thanks for the EVs and suggestions. This far they've worked great. ^^
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Last I checked your username wasn't Lugialord or e4protector, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. ^^
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You do realize that you're asking for a smack from the herring, right? Still, because I get the feeling that you're quite purposefully asking for it, which leads to the rather disturbing prospect that you might actually enjoy it when a guy hits you with a fish, I think I'll abstain just to be sure. xD
I love to be smaked by other men with a herring. I was joking about the Extrasensory thing though...

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Okay...overall, I agree with most of the stuff I'm hearing, but Zappy...I'm sorry, but if the build can't outspeed and OHKO Mence leads then no dice. Those things pop up everywhere I go and I hate them. >.< If I would have somthing like Cloyster or Swampert on this team then yeah, but this not being the case I'll rather take the Swampert weak. They can be a nuisance but again, its hardly the kind of poke that rips up my whole team. A bit of teamwork between Skarm and Vappy, possibly with a little extra from Celebi, tends to be all it takes to get rid of them. I might give Stalker zappy a try, though, possibly with a small *Gasp* alteration to the EVs if they don't work out. Anyways, thanks for the EVs and suggestions. This far they've worked great. ^^
Thunder OHKOs Mence lol. Pert weak is a stupid thing to have. >_>; The EVs for Stalker Zappy are fine they work perfectly.

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